Re: some questions regarding Abu Bakr thread
**Texan Dude ** Lucky you! I just manage to get some time to respond to your questions. They are not that difficult to answer as you may think.
So I am attempting to answer them and mind you the answers will not be palatable to you as I am not answerng them from your perspective!!!
I don’t believe you asked this question!!! The Prophet (saw) always spoke truth even when jesting. He never spoke untruth. It is the later generations which just to enhance their sectarian views made such statements and attributed them to the Prophet (saw). Authenticated and verified narrations of the Prophet (saw) are nothing but the Truth. That means not all the stuff attributed to Prophet (saw) is necessarily true.
I thought this was very obvious to all???
Read Surah Najm
Your comrade erreth not, nor is deceived; [53:2]
Nor doth he speak of (his own) desire. [53:3]
It is naught save an inspiration that is inspired, [53:4]
**Muhammad was sent as a Mercy for all that exists; He does not speak of His Desire **
Allah said,
[RIGHT]وَمَا يَنطِقُ عَنِ الْهَوَى ] [/RIGHT]
(Nor does he speak of desire), asserting that nothing the Prophet utters is of his own desire or wish,
[RIGHT]إِنْ هُوَ إِلاَّ وَحْىٌ يُوحَى ] [/RIGHT]
(It is only a revelation revealed.), means, he only conveys to the people what he was commanded to convey, in its entirety without additions or deletions. Imam Ahmad recorded that Abu Umamah said that he heard the Messenger of Allah say,
[RIGHT]«لَيَدْخُلَنَّ الْجَنَّةَ بِشَفَاعَةِ رَجُلٍ لَيْسَ بِنَبِيَ مِثْلُ الْحَيَّيْنِ أَوْ مِثْلُ أَحَدِ الْحَيَّيْنِ رَبِيعَةَ وَمُضَر» [/RIGHT]
(Verily, numbers similar to the two tribes, or one of them, Rabiah and Mudar, will enter Paradise on account of the intercession of one man, who is not a Prophet.) A man asked, "O Allah's Messenger! Is not Rabiah a subtribe of Mudar.‘’ The Prophet said,
[RIGHT]«إِنَّمَا أَقُولُ مَا أَقُول» [/RIGHT]
(I said what I said.) Imam Ahmad recorded that Abdullah bin Amr said, "I used to record everything I heard from the Messenger of Allah so it would be preserved. The Quraysh discouraged me from this, saying, `You record everything you hear from the Messenger of Allah , even though he is human and sometimes speaks when he is angry’ I stopped recording the Hadiths for a while, but later mentioned what they said to the Messenger of Allah , who said,
[RIGHT]«اكْتُبْ، فَوَ الَّذِي نَفْسِي بِيَدِهِ مَا خَرَجَ مِنِّي إِلَّا الْحَق» [/RIGHT]
**(Write! By He in Whose Hand is my soul, every word that comes out of me is the Truth.)‘’ **Abu Dawud also collected this Hadith.
[RIGHT]عَلَّمَهُ شَدِيدُ الْقُوَى - ذُو مِرَّةٍ فَاسْتَوَى - وَهُوَ بِالاٍّفُقِ الاٌّعْلَى - ثُمَّ دَنَا فَتَدَلَّى - فَكَانَ قَابَ قَوْسَيْنِ أَوْ أَدْنَى - فَأَوْحَى إِلَى عَبْدِهِ مَآ أَوْحَى - مَا كَذَبَ الْفُؤَادُ مَا رَأَى - أَفَتُمَـرُونَهُ عَلَى مَا يَرَى - وَلَقَدْ رَءَاهُ نَزْلَةً أُخْرَى - عِندَ سِدْرَةِ الْمُنتَهَى - عِندَهَا جَنَّةُ الْمَأْوَى - إِذْ يَغْشَى السِّدْرَةَ مَا يَغْشَى - مَا زَاغَ الْبَصَرُ وَمَا طَغَى - لَقَدْ رَأَى مِنْ ءَايَـتِ رَبِّهِ الْكُبْرَى ] [/RIGHT]
(5. He has been taught by one mighty in power.) (6. Dhu Mirrah then he Istawa.) (7. While he was in the highest part of the horizon,) (8. Then he approached and came closer,) (9. And was at a distance of two bows’ length or less.) (10. So (Allah) revealed to His servant whatever He revealed.) (11. The heart lied not in what he saw.) (12. Will you then dispute with him about what he saw) (13. And indeed he saw him at a second descent.) (14. Near Sidrat Al-Muntaha.) (15. Near it is the Paradise of Abode.) (16. When that covered the lote tree which did cover it!) (17. The sight turned not aside, nor it transgressed beyond the limit.) (18. Indeed he saw of the greatest Ssgns of his Lord.)
http://www.tafsir.com/default.asp?sid=53&tid=50850
“Obey Allaah and obey the Messenger” [Soorah Aal-'Imraan (3):32]
**The above means obey Allah (swt)’s commands as per Quran and obey the Prophet (saw) what he says and acts upon. **
“Fatima is a part of me. He in fact tortures me who tortures her.”
The above narration of the Prophet (saw) was for specific reasons and you well know what I am referring to. You and the website you refer to (believe me, it is run by amateurs) may rubbish without ever authenticating the Shia hadith I had quoted in my earlier post.
Not to worry because we have nearly word to word hadith in our most reliable hadith source. As a shia you may rubbish your own books and not hold our books as relevant to your beliefs but then who cares?
The first hadith is from 'Ali bin Al-Husain (ra) Imam Zainul Abideen (ra) fourth Infallible Shia Imam
*Narrated 'Ali bin Al-Husain: That when they reached Medina after returning from Yazid bin Mu’awaiya after the martyrdom of Husain bin 'Ali (may Allah bestow His Mercy upon him), Al-Miswar bin Makhrama met him and said to him, “Do you have any need you may order me to satisfy?”
'Ali said, “No.” Al-Miswar said, Will you give me the sword of Allah’s Apostle for I am afraid that people may take it from you by force? By Allah, if you give it to me, they will never be able to take it till I die."
When Ali bin Abu Talib demanded the hand of the daughter of Abi Jahal to be his wife besides Fatima, I heard Allah’s Apostle on his pulpit delivering a sermon in this connection before the people, and I had then attained my age of puberty.
Allah’s Apostle said, “Fatima is from me, and I am afraid she will be subjected to trials in her religion (because of jealousy).” The Prophet then mentioned one of his son-in-law who was from the tribe of 'Abu Shams, and he praised him as a good son-in-law, saying, "Whatever he said was the truth, and he promised me and fulfilled his promise.
I do not make a legal thing illegal, nor do I make an illegal thing legal, but by Allah, the daughter of Allah’s Apostle and the daughter of the enemy of Allah, (i.e. Abu Jahl) can never get together (as the wives of one man) ***Sahih Bukhari Volume 4, Book 53, Number 342: **
*Miswar b. Makhramali reported that he heard Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) say, as he sat on the pulpit: The sons of Hisham b. Mughira have asked my permission to marry their daughter with 'Ali b. Abi Talib (that refers to the daughter of Abu Jahl for whom 'All had sent a proposal for marriage).
But I would not allow them, I would not allow them, I would not allow them (and the only alternative possible is) that 'Ali should divorce my daughter (and then marry their daughter), for my daughter is part of me. He who disturbs her in fact disturbs me and he who offends her offends me.* Sahih Muslim Book 31, Number 5999
*** (Imam Zain-ul-'Abidin) **'Ali b. Husain reported that when they came to Medina from Yazid b. Mu’awiya after the martyrdom of Husain b. 'Ali (Allah be pleased with him) Miswar b. Makhramah met him and said to him: Is there any work for me which you ask me to do? I said to him: No.
He again said to me: Would you not give me the sword of Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) for I fear that the people may snatch it from you? By Allah, if you give that to me, no one would be able to take it away, so long as there is life in me. Verily 'Ali b. Abi Talib sent a proposal of marriage to the daughter of Abu
Jahl in spite of (the fact that his wife) Fatima (had been living in his house). Thereupon I heard Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) say while addressing the people on the pulpit. I was adolescing in those days. He said : Fatima is a part of me and I fear that she may be put to trial in regard to religion. He then made a mention of his son-in law who had been from the tribe of 'Abd Shams and praised his behaviour as a son-in-law and said: Whatever he said to me he told the truth and whatever he promised he fulfilled it for me. I am not going to declare forbidden what is lawful and make lawful what is forbidden, but, by Allah, the daughter of Allah’s Messenger and the daughter of the enemy of Allah can never be combined at one place.* **Sahih Muslim Book 31, Number 6001: **
*'Ali b. Husain reported that Miswar b. Makhramah informed him that 'Ali b. Abi Talib sent the proposal of marriage to the daughter of Abu Jahl as he had Fatima, the daughter of Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him), (as his wife).
When Fatima heard about it, she came to Allah’s Apostle (may peace be upon him) and said: The people say that you never feel angry on account of your daughters and now 'Ali is going to marry the daughter of Abu Jahl. Makhramah said: Thereupon Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) rose up and I heard him reciting Tashahhud and say: Now to the point. I gave a daughter of mine (Zainab) to Abu’l-'As b. Rabi, and he spoke to me and spoke the truth.
Verily Fatima, the daughter of Muhammad, is a part of me and I do not approve that she may be put to any trial and by Allah, the daughter of Allah’s Messenger cannot be combined with the daughter of God’s enemy (as the co-wives) of one person. Thereupon 'Ali gave up (the idea of his intended) marriage. This hadith has been narrated on the authority of Zuhri with the same chain of transmitters. ***Sahih Muslim Book 31, Number 6002: **
Your denial doesn’t change the facts.
Anger is Human emotion. All the Prophets (Peace be upon the all) Blessed Companions (May Allah be pleased with all) Blessed Ahlul Bayt (The wives are part and parcel of this group) (May Allah be pleased with all) did get angry at occasions.
Anger of Hazrat Fatimah (ra) with all her blessed piety and being one of the four blessed women in Heaven (having the highest rank among the women) was misplaced against Hazrat Abu Bakr (ra) in regards to Fadak issue. For you this must be real blasphemy.
This has nothing to do with infallibility. Infallibility belongs to Allah (swt) ALONE.
Read the following so that you are made aware of Status of Hz. Abu Bakr (ra)
94. We confirm that, after the death of the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, the caliphate went first to Abu Bakr al-Siddiq, may Allah be pleased with him, thus proving his excellence and superiority over the rest of the Muslims; then to 'Umar ibn alKhattab, may Allah be pleased with him; then to 'Uthman, may Allah be pleased with him; and then to 'Ali ibn Abi Talib, may Allah be pleased with him. These are the Rightly-Guided Caliphs and upright leaders.
Aqeedah of Ahlul Sunnah Wal Jama’a - by Imam Tahawi
http://www.paklinks.com/gs/showthread.php?t=138554
You have quoted the following ayah:
Now read it again, this time very slowly digesting every word and pause at “but love for my near relatives”
Would you regard wives as Prophet’s (saw) near relatives?
Would you regard all sons in law as near relatives of Prophet (saw)? or just one will suffice for you? (Just to remind you that one among them was a son in law twice)
Would you regard all his cousins as near relatives of Prophet (saw)? or just one will suffice for you?
Would you regard all the fathers in law near relatives of Prophet (saw)?
Would you regard other grandchildren of the Prophet (saw) as near relatives?
Now tell me honestly with your right hand firmly on your heart, do you and your type really follow Prophet’s (saw) command as stated in the Quran to love the near relatives of the Prophet (saw).
NO! You take pride in abusing most of them
Are near relatives and Ahlul Bayt one and the same accordding to you?
Tomorrow** if **I get the time then I will address other points raised in your post.
Please do not open other issues so that we get side-tracked. And I do not have the time to go in circles.
Ameen