some questions regarding Abu Bakr thread

[Texan_Dude]

Re: some questions regarding Abu Bakr thread

@psyah

Peace Texan_Dude

@psyah

No you are accusing me of accusing Prophet Muhammad (SAW) of being incorrect. Please show where I have said that Muhammad (SAW) is incorrect. I have said no such thing … and why are you lying? Is it because you don’t know how to accept an answer?
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I would appreciate it that stop saying that I have accused Prophet (SAW) in any way. Rather you should realise that I have answered your question and defeated the basis of your argument, but I guess you won’t be doing that.

Buddy,
Go and read your previous posts before you start calling me a liar… In one post you are implying something and second post you deny it.. Let me point out where notion from….
Following is the question I have asked you…

@texan_dude

2. Do you believe if Prophet P.B.U.H. ever give a hadith which would imply that any one who angered Bibi Fatima Zehra S.A. angered Habib-e-Khuda..Sardar-e-Ambiya… if Bibi Fatma Zehra S.A nauzubillah had the tendency to get anger on people for nauzubillah incorrect reasons…

Following was your response to this question:

@psyah

Do I believe that Muhammad (SAW) said whoever angers Fatimah (RA) angers him (SAW) … answer is yes.

• Do I believe Faitmah (RA) had tendency to get angry on people for incorrect reasons? … Actually I believe it is incorrect to get angry.

When I pointed out to you about the hadith where Prophet P.B.U.H. mentioned whoever makes Fatima S.A. angry made him angry.. your response was you believe its incorrect to get angry… now what deoes that imply.. please read what you said before you start accusing others for pointing out whats in your previous posts…

@psyah

Also look at the wisdom in other areas of Islam where those who die in a state of injustice then their justice is given to them in the hereafter. Would it not be better for Fatimah (RA) to have extra reward in the hereafter rather than get some piece of wealth of the dunya? Do you not think that is what Allah (SWT) and his apostle (SAW) had in store for the ahl al-bayt? Is that not why Muhammad (SAW) decided to live a poor life in this world because he was not attached to it?

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I guess I have answered this question already… please read the following part of my previous posts with a cool and unbiased mind….

@Texan_dude

Brother I believe the fact that Bibi Fatima Zehra S.A. stook up against Abu Bakr has a lot more to do besides just the land… She used fadak to unveil some big faces… Personally to me it shows how after the death of Prophet P.B.U.H. some people left the funeral of Prophet to resolve the issue of khilafat and went to the extend and they didn’t refraine from hurting the Prophet P.B.U.H… if you dig more into the issue you’ll see a contradiction between quran and hadith. Quran has the following ayat of Prophets leaving inheritance…
“And Solomon (Sulaymaan) inherited from David.” (Quran 27:16)
“(Zakariya prayed to Allah by saying)… Grant me a son from yourself, who inherits from me and inherit from the children of Jacob, and make him, O’ my Lord, the one with whom you are well-pleased.” (Quran 19:5-6).
Whereas Abu Bakr used a hadith that contradicted quran and implied that Prophet don’t leave inheritance and this goes back to the argument which I tried to make in the begining of the thread… where I mentioned the following hadith of Prophet
“Zayd said: ‘O brother, by God, I have become aged and old and I have forgotten some of what I used to remember from the Messenger of Allah , upon whom be Allah’s peace and benedictions. So accept what I narrate to you and as to what I don’t, trouble me not regarding it.’ Then he said: ‘One day the Messenger of Allah , upon whom be Allah’s peace and benedictions, addressed us near a pond called Khumm between Makkah and Madinah. He praised God and extolled Him and preached and reminded (us). Then he said, “Lo, O people, I am only a human being and I am about to respond to the messenger of my Lord *. I am leaving behind two precious things (thaqalayn) among you. The first of the two is the Book of Allah. In it is guidance and light. So get hold of the Book of Allah and adhere to it.” Then he urged and motivated (us) regarding the Book of Allah . Then he said, “And my Ahl al¬Bayt (family). I urge you to remember God regarding my Ahl al¬Bayt. I urge you to remember God regarding my Ahl al¬Bayt. I urge you to remember God regarding my Ahl al¬Bayt”’” …
(Sahih Muslim, part 7, Kitab fada’il al¬Sahabah [Maktabat wa Matbaat Muhammad Ali Subayh wa Awladuhu: Cairo] pp. 122-123.)
and we all know Ahleybait has alwayz been there to defend islam… if it was kerbala, khyber. Imam Jaffar-e-Sadiq AS grandson of Imam Hussain A.S. was the teacher of 2 sunni Imams Imam Hanafia and Imam Malid… and yet some people chose to accept Imam Hanafia and Imam Malik as there Imams rather than their teacher who was from Ahley bait…even Imam Mahdi is going to be from Ahley bait … even quran talks about the purity of Ahleybait.
A contradicting hadith to this talks about Prophet P.B.U.H. leaving behind quran and sunnah… which makes me wonder… that quran has the following verse
“Today I have perfected your religion and completed my favour upon you, and I was satisfied that Islam be your religion.” (Qur’an 5:3)
This raises the question if Islam was perfect during the time of Prophet P.B.U.H. than why would he ask people to follow sunnah and not mention a source of sunnah… most of the sunnah and hadith books were compiled after the death of Prophet and this raises an issue of correct and dhaeef hadith… gupshup is a prefect example where people pick and choose hadith of their interest …

@psyah

Which statement from hadith tells you that Fatimah (RA) used fadak to unveil some big faces? This again is your bias and convoluted interpretation surfacing.
You say personally to you … I can ignore that because it is how it appears personally to you. I need objective statements please.
Again prophets leave other prophets as inheritence. Otherwise all their material wealth which is of no spiritual importance is given to Charity. It is the best place for it to go.

Well tatz your prespective… One place you are accepting that Bibi Fatima cannot get angry to other people for wrong reason… Its no other than in Sahih Bukhari narration that Bibi Fatima Zehra S.A… was angry with Abu Bakr…. And when asked if Prophet doesn’t say anything against Allah SWT will and if Bibi was angry for wrong reason.. would Prophet give such a hadith on Allah SWT will.. your answer was I believe getting angry is incorrect which kinda implied that to you it was incorrect eventhough Prophet said he would be angry if someone makes his daughter angry….
Your whole ideology is confusing and twisted and one place you are saying Bibi cannot be angry for wrong reason and than you arguing about the inheritance issue which I donno if you are using to Justify Abu Bakr or Bibi Fatima Zehra S.A..
The fact is both the narrations are in your Sahih books … you may choose to ignore these facts but personally it has a lot to offer for me….. the different arguments I have seen in this thread where one guppy said Bibi was later pleased with Abu Bakr which contradicted other narration in Sahih Bukhari.. similary.. your argument are so twisted and confusing… its enough for me to stand by my opinions… You may choose to believe what you want too… I am just expressing my views and telling you their basis…..

@psyah

If there is the same slander of Sahabah in this link then I would rather abstain.

I believe as per my discussion we were talking about a ayat in quran which didn’t have any thing to do with sahabah…. And all I said was read the ayat in quran and mentioned this is a random link… However you are stereotyping for as an excuse which was out of no where… The website link below is quite clear its about quran but if that’s your excuse to ignore the facts… its your call…
http://quran.com/article42.html

@psyah

Allah (SWT) instructs ye members of the Family to:

1. Stay quietly in their homes
2. Make not a dazzaling display
3. Establish Regualr Prayer
4. Give regular charity
5. Obey Allah (SWT) and Muhammad (SAW)
   If they do this then all abominations will be removed from them and they will be pure.

Please read the ayat again….
And stay quietly in your houses, and make not a dazzling display, like that of the former Times of Ignorance; and establish regular Prayer, and give regular Charity; and obey Allah and His Messenger. And Allah only wishes to remove all abomination from you, ye members of the Family, and to make you pure and spotless.[33:33]
To me it seems you are mixing an*** If*** with an AND clause……… I don’t see where you getting the*** if*** part from… can you please clarify?

@psyah

I can’t tell sometimes, perhaps you should work on tactics of ‘not mean to offend’ or else if you hurt someone you might be held accountable for it.

Well I am sorry If I had offended you… I hope you won’t find this post offensive…
May Allah SWT help us all follow the right path… Ameen.*