some questions regarding Abu Bakr thread

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Re: some questions regarding Abu Bakr thread

@chacha_Ghalib

i had decided to not post in this thread as i usually don’t post in such threads but i didn’t know wot the word infallible meant so i googled it and this is wot wikipedia gave me:

In common speech

When a statement, teaching, or book is called infallible, this can mean any of the following:

1. It is something that is certainly true

2. It is something that can be safely relied on

3. what the pope says is true
   When a person is called infallible, this can mean any of the following:

4. Some statements or teachings made by this person can be relied on to be certainly true

5. All statements or teachings made by this person can be relied on to be certainly true

6. All information believed by this person is true

7. This person is free from flaws or defects, especially of a moral nature
   These definitions differ widely. In common speech, infallibility can refer to a person (or a group of persons), to an act of teaching by these persons, or to the information being taught.
   Furthermore, infallibility can refer to the absence of error or to the inability to err. Although these are similar, they are philosophically distinct categories. For example, it is theoretically possible for a person to live their entire life without ever uttering a false sentence, even though they had the ability to err.
   Infallibility is sometimes used to refer to someone’s ability to learn something with certainty. For example, a careful researcher might study a hundred books, each of which contains a few errors, and after carefully judging the statements in these books might deduce the complete, error-free truth. This is referred to as learning infallibly or knowing infallibly. However, this meaning is rarely used.

** Islamic Beliefs**

Universal teachings

In Islamic theology, the widely held belief is that the prophets of Allah were infallible in the sense that all statements or teachings made by them can be relied on to be certainly true and all information believed by them is also true. Islam also teaches that the Qur’an is an infallible text, one that is certainly true and is something that can be safely relied on.

Additional Shi’a teachings

In Shi’a theology, the belief is that the Ahl al-Bayt, including Muhammad, his daughter Fatima Zahra and Shi’a Imams are all infallible. It is believed that they are infallible in the sense that all statements or teachings made by them can be relied on to be certainly true, that all information believed by themselves is true, and that they have complete knowledge about right and wrong and never intend to disobey God , in a sense, perfect creation. It is also held by Shi’as that there were 124,000 Prophets, beginning with Adam and ending with Mohammad - with all, including the latter, being infallible in the same sense as the Ahl al-Bayt.

seems to me that the word can be used at least in reference to prophets and especially the Holy Prophet (pbuh).

Peace chacha_Ghalib

Thank you for your definition with which I totally agree. Words do have a context however, the original discussion started with PyariCgudia making a statement and then she was chastised for it, by sister Lusi. The manner it was intended was however according to your 'rarely used ’ basis, if it wasn’t then the discussion I had with sister Lusi would have uncovered that. Please read through our discussion again and see again that if the term infallible was being used to mean merely ‘trustworthy’ then the reaction that was given against sister PyariCgudia’s post is reduced to nothing. It can only have been meant with zeal, the only meaning extractable from it would be that prophet Muhammad (SAW) is being seen as totally faultless. It was this that I disputed to and if I was wrong in my assertion then sister Lusi would have clarified that she meant such and such, so your dictionary search has been a useful education but of no real relevance to our discourse.