some questions regarding Abu Bakr thread

[Texan_Dude]

Re: some questions regarding Abu Bakr thread

@psyah

Peace again

Now I can address the rest of you post …

Every statement of Muhammad (SAW) when he said it was from Allah (SWT) is so, unless he himself says that it is from himself. Every hadith? Muhammad (SAW) doesn’t give hadith. Hadith are collections of various people’s sayings about Muhammad (SAW) what he (SAW) did and what he (SAW) said.

There are two questions here:

• Do I believe that Muhammad (SAW) said whoever angers Fatimah (RA) angers him (SAW) … answer is yes.
• Do I believe Faitmah (RA) had tendency to get angry on people for incorrect reasons? … Actually I believe it is incorrect to get angry.

wow so now nauzubillah you are gonna accuse Prophet P.B.U.H. to be incorrect… as per the hadith Prophet P.B.U.H. said whoever makes Bibi Fatima Zehra angry made him angry and rather than using as guidance from Allah SWT you are accusing Prophet to be nauzubillah for being incorrect.. Mashallah may Prophet P.B.U.H.give you the reward for point out nauzubillah how incorrect he was.. Ameen

I would appreciate if rather than accusing Prophet you answer my question rather than making accusations… Incase you missed it let me ask it again in bold.. can you please answer the following question.. I wanna see how far you can go to deny the truth

Do I believe Faitmah (RA) had tendency to get angry on people for incorrect reasons?
Please answer the question , I don’t need you to point me out nazubillah to you Prophet was incorrect … Please answer Yes or No if thats not too much to ask

@psyah

Also look at the wisdom in other areas of Islam where those who die in a state of injustice then their justice is given to them in the hereafter. Would it not be better for Fatimah (RA) to have extra reward in the hereafter rather than get some piece of wealth of the dunya? Do you not think that is what Allah (SWT) and his apostle (SAW) had in store for the ahl al-bayt? Is that not why Muhammad (SAW) decided to live a poor life in this world because he was not attached to it?

I think I already answer your question… incase you missed it let me quote it for you again…

**Brother I believe the fact that Bibi Fatima Zehra S.A. stood up against Abu Bakr has a lot more to do besides just the land… She used fadak to unveil some big faces… Personally to me it shows how after the death of Prophet P.B.U.H. some people left the funeral of Prophet to resolve the issue of khilafat and went to the extend and they didn’t refraine from hurting the Prophet P.B.U.H… if you dig more into the issue you’ll see a contradiction between quran and hadith. Quran has the following ayat of Prophets leaving inheritance…
“And Solomon (Sulaymaan) inherited from David.” (Quran 27:16)
“(Zakariya prayed to Allah by saying)… Grant me a son from yourself, who inherits from me and inherit from the children of Jacob, and make him, O’ my Lord, the one with whom you are well-pleased.” (Quran 19:5-6).

Whereas Abu Bakr used a hadith that contradicted quran and implied that Prophet don’t leave inheritance and this goes back to the argument which I tried to make in the begining of the thread… where I mentioned the following hadith of Prophet
“Zayd said: ‘O brother, by God, I have become aged and old and I have forgotten some of what I used to remember from the Messenger of Allah , upon whom be Allah’s peace and benedictions. So accept what I narrate to you and as to what I don’t, trouble me not regarding it.’ Then he said: ‘One day the Messenger of Allah , upon whom be Allah’s peace and benedictions, addressed us near a pond called Khumm between Makkah and Madinah. He praised God and extolled Him and preached and reminded (us). Then he said, “Lo, O people, I am only a human being and I am about to respond to the messenger of my Lord *. I am leaving behind two precious things (thaqalayn) among you. The first of the two is the Book of Allah. In it is guidance and light. So get hold of the Book of Allah and adhere to it.” Then he urged and motivated (us) regarding the Book of Allah . Then he said, “And my Ahl al­Bayt (family). I urge you to remember God regarding my Ahl al­Bayt. I urge you to remember God regarding my Ahl al­Bayt. I urge you to remember God regarding my Ahl al­Bayt”’” …
(Sahih Muslim, part 7, Kitab fada’il al­Sahabah [Maktabat wa Matbaat Muhammad Ali Subayh wa Awladuhu: Cairo] pp. 122-123.)

and we all know Ahleybait has alwayz been there to defend islam… if it was kerbala, khyber. Imam Jaffar-e-Sadiq AS grandson of Imam Hussain A.S. was the teacher of 2 sunni Imams Imam Hanafia and Imam Malid… and yet some people chose to accept Imam Hanafia and Imam Malik as there Imams rather than their teacher who was from Ahley bait…even Imam Mahdi is going to be from Ahley bait … even quran talks about the purity of Ahleybait.

A contradicting hadith to this talks about Prophet P.B.U.H. leaving behind quran and sunnah… which makes me wonder… that quran has the following verse
“Today I have perfected your religion and completed my favour upon you, and I was satisfied that Islam be your religion.” (Qur’an 5:3)
This raises the question if Islam was perfect during the time of Prophet P.B.U.H. than why would he ask people to follow sunnah and not mention a source of sunnah… most of the sunnah and hadith books were compiled after the death of Prophet and this raises an issue of correct and dhaeef hadith… gupshup is a prefect example where people pick and choose hadith of their interest …**

@pysah

I get this translation:

23. That is (the Paradise) whereof Allâh gives glad tidings to His slaves who believe (in the Oneness of Allâh Islâmic Monotheism) and do righteous good deeds. Say (O Muhammad ): “No reward do I ask of you for this except to be kind to me for my kinship with you.” And whoever earns a good righteous deed, We shall give him an increase of good in respect thereof. Verily, Allâh is Oft-Forgiving, Most Ready to appreciate (the deeds of those who are obedient to Him).

i would recommend you refer to a few books for references/
Check out the translation at the random site I searched at
http://quran.com/article42.html

@pysah

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Originally Posted by Texan_Dude http://www.paklinks.com/gs/images/buttons/viewpost.gif
5. Would quran testify the purity of Ahleybait when nauzubillah the mother of leaders of heaven have the tendency of getting angry on people and indirectly hurting prophet P.B.U.H. for wrong reasons???
And stay quietly in your houses, and make not a dazzling display, like that of the former Times of Ignorance; and establish regular Prayer, and give regular Charity; and obey Allah and His Messenger. And Allah only wishes to remove all abomination from you, ye members of the Family, and to make you pure and spotless.[33:33]

There is no certification of purity here. It is a requirement from the women of Ahl al-bayt to remain in their houses quietly and pray and obey Allah (SWT) and his Messenger (SAW) in order for them to be pure and spotless.

There is no certification of purity here. It is a requirement from the women of Ahl al-bayt to remain in their houses quietly and pray and obey Allah (SWT) and his Messenger (SAW) in order for them to be pure and spotless.

Nowwhere did you jump to this conclusion from… Read the highlighted part of this ayat again and please explain how did you drive to this conclusion… I just don’t get it… I hope you are not trying to come up with excuses just to ignore the facts…t please and think before you make such comments…

And stay quietly in your houses, and make not a dazzling display, like that of the former Times of Ignorance; and establish regular Prayer, and give regular Charity; and obey Allah and His Messenger.** And Allah only wishes to remove all abomination from you, ye members of the Family, and to make you pure and spotless.**33:33]

Please explain where did you get in order to part…

@pysah

There is no contradiction here either. Inheritance in its legal sense is different from inherit in it’s Qur’anic sense with regard to prophethood.

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Originally Posted by Texan_Dude http://www.paklinks.com/gs/images/buttons/viewpost.gif
Brother I believe the fact that Bibi Fatima Zehra S.A. stook up against Abu Bakr has a lot more to do besides just the land… She used fadak to unveil some big faces… Personally to me it shows how after the death of Prophet P.B.U.H. some people left the funeral of Prophet to resolve the issue of khilafat and went to the extend and they didn’t refraine from hurting the Prophet P.B.U.H… if you dig more into the issue you’ll see a contradiction between quran and hadith. Quran has the following ayat of Prophets leaving inheritance…
“And Solomon (Sulaymaan) inherited from David.” (Quran 27:16)
“(Zakariya prayed to Allah by saying)… Grant me a son from yourself, who inherits from me and inherit from the children of Jacob, and make him, O’ my Lord, the one with whom you are well-pleased.” (Quran 19:5-6).

There is no contradiction here either. Inheritance in its legal sense is different from inherit in it’s Qur’anic sense with regard to prophethood.

19:5. "And Verily! I fear my relatives after me, since my wife is barren. So give me from Yourself an heir,

19:6. “Who shall inherit me, and inherit (also) the posterity of Ya’qûb (Jacob) (inheritance of the religious knowledge and Prophethood, not the wealth, etc.). And make him, my Lord, one with whom You are Well-pleased!”.
19:5. "And Verily! I fear my relatives after me, since my wife is barren. So give me from Yourself an heir,

19:6. “Who shall inherit me, and inherit (also) the posterity of Ya’qûb (Jacob) (inheritance of the religious knowledge and Prophethood, not the wealth, etc.). And make him, my Lord, one with whom You are Well-pleased!”.

Astagfiruallah… you have more knoweldge of interpretation of quran compare to Bibi Fatima Zehra S.A… and Prophet gave the hadith of people offending Bibi Fatima Zehra SA would offend him for no reason.. when Bibi nauzubillah didn’t know the intepretation of quran than Allama Pysah sahab. Quran talked about purity of Ahleybait… where it talked about Allah SWT wishes to make them pure… yet nauzubillah they couldn’t interpret quran or nauzubillah argued for the wrong reason. The grandson of Bibi Fatima Zehra SA had enough knowledge that Imam Hanafi and Malik were their students and yet they couldnt interpret quran or hadith and nazubilah stood up for wrong reasons … Subhanllah Allama sahib… You sure are doing a good job enlightening us all…

Didn’t mean to offend anyone… May Allah SWT help us all follow the right path… Ameen*