It is believable since Imran is on record as having hit a media person way back in the late 80s....
I do not condone such behaviour and if Imran indeed provoked Hoodbhoy like that then it must be condemned
Its sad to see that IK is not saying enough to condemn Taliban. IK is very influential and respected by a lot of younger Pakistanis. I am disappointed that he is not doing enough to say the Taliban are the enemies of Pakistan and the pakhtun areas they are holed up in. Anyone who continuously attacks Pakistans citizens are an ENEMY!
Some points:-
how can IK criticise Zardari yet skip NS? was nt it NS who humiliated him in the 90's. i doubt the PPP have really had beef with IK.
its funny how IK can support Mahatir yet hate Mush?
its hypocritial that IK can hate MQM for their murdering of innocent people in Karachi yet completely ignore the Taliban for doing the same thing.
its laughable that IK puts on this fundo act yet for himself he is a liberal who clean shaves, who does not live too simply and who will probably privately educate his sons and not send them to the madrassahs which he seems to have developed so much respect for. is he an armchair fundo/mullah?
the taliban hate clean shaved liberals.i agree with IK with having a lesser role or no role in the war on terror but its too late - we have learnt that if we give the taliban an inch, they will take the whole district. it was not pakistans war, but now it is. if the taliban do take over nwfp and into punjab, we will most likely see americans/nato taking over like in iraq/afghanistan and our nation may cease to exist. IK must realise that it is the Taliban who could end up splitting the country he led to victory in 1992. anyone who sides with the taliban are justifies them are an enemy to pakistan.
i agree with IK that we needto get out of our "slave" mentality - we should show pride and respect as a nation but that does notman adopt right wing views.
pakistan is not a liberal or a secular country - most of the country is conservative and right-leaning. it does not mean they are taliban but its the way our society works. i agree with Spock, the seculars should not impose their views on the rest. at the same time the right wing should not impose their views.
Ik has got time on his side to show some unbaised views. he has aclean record with regards to corruption and has at least given something to pakistan unlike other politcians including his new hero's NS and Qazi.
You are known by the company you keep, IK keep away from NS otherwise you will just become another corrupt politician. NS might be a successfull politician but he is not a good one.
Hoodbhoy is a learned scholar. While Imran was throwing bouncers and feeling up girls in the UK, Hoodbhoy was earning his PhD in physics from MIT. You can't even compare a soft spoken smart person like Hoodbhoy, to this overgrown cricket player Imran who verbally attacked him on the show.
And while both of them were doing that, one in MIT and one in Oxford, Altaf bhai was driving a cab in Chicago!
Seriously, all of a sudden you have a new respect for MIT PhDs, but Dr. Afia who also happens to be a PhD from MIT is crazy according to you! hahaha talk about whoppers!
And while both of them were doing that, one in MIT and one in Oxford, Altaf bhai was driving a cab in Chicago!
Seriously, all of a sudden you have a new respect for MIT PhDs, but Dr. Afia who also happens to be a PhD from MIT is crazy according to you! hahaha talk about whoppers!
Mental breakdowns can happen to anybody - as in Afia's case, this has nothing to do with political debates. Don't try to confuse the issue. I have never belittled Afia's education.
Its sad to see that IK is not saying enough to condemn Taliban. IK is very influential and respected by a lot of younger Pakistanis. I am disappointed that he is not doing enough to say the Taliban are the enemies of Pakistan and the pakhtun areas they are holed up in. Anyone who continuously attacks Pakistans citizens are an ENEMY!
Some points:-
how can IK criticise Zardari yet skip NS? was nt it NS who humiliated him in the 90's. i doubt the PPP have really had beef with IK.
its funny how IK can support Mahatir yet hate Mush?
its hypocritial that IK can hate MQM for their murdering of innocent people in Karachi yet completely ignore the Taliban for doing the same thing.
its laughable that IK puts on this fundo act yet for himself he is a liberal who clean shaves, who does not live too simply and who will probably privately educate his sons and not send them to the madrassahs which he seems to have developed so much respect for. is he an armchair fundo/mullah? the taliban hate clean shaved liberals.
i agree with IK with having a lesser role or no role in the war on terror but its too late - we have learnt that if we give the taliban an inch, they will take the whole district. it was not pakistans war, but now it is. if the taliban do take over nwfp and into punjab, we will most likely see americans/nato taking over like in iraq/afghanistan and our nation may cease to exist. IK must realise that it is the Taliban who could end up splitting the country he led to victory in 1992. anyone who sides with the taliban are justifies them are an enemy to pakistan.
i agree with IK that we needto get out of our "slave" mentality - we should show pride and respect as a nation but that does notman adopt right wing views.
pakistan is not a liberal or a secular country - most of the country is conservative and right-leaning. it does not mean they are taliban but its the way our society works. i agree with Spock, the seculars should not impose their views on the rest. at the same time the right wing should not impose their views.
Ik has got time on his side to show some unbaised views. he has aclean record with regards to corruption and has at least given something to pakistan unlike other politcians including his new hero's NS and Qazi. You are known by the company you keep, IK keep away from NS otherwise you will just become another corrupt politician. NS might be a successfull politician but he is not a good one.
^ Good analysis. IK should never have aligned himself with NS although there's no harm in having a working relationship with everyone. You have to in politics.
But how can you be in bed with the same people who you have accused of massive corruption and fraud (and with good reason) in the past and esp. after the Sharif brothers caused him so much distress by bringing the Sita White stuff up (for their own political gain) on the eve of the 1996 election?
And he should have resisted the temptation to lean towards fundos (read religious parties....all of them) despite his conservative background. Religion and politics just don't mix for me.
Those two factors plus his continued reluctance to condemn Taliban outrightly - He should have had the wisdom and commonsense to see that regardless of the initial cause, the Taliban reaction was indefensible and threatening our very existence - has alienated him from the people and caused untold damage to his reputation.
Re: Some more Truth: Imran Khan
We need to get rid off all american puppets from our society because america never wants us to be a strong nation. Thats why these people like the very camp Pervez Hoodhbhoy are against IK as he is anti-america. And america is a master of propaganda and now the thing being propagated is that IK is a supporter of Taliban! How pathetic! But the people of pakistan are getting clever therefore support for PTI is increasing even in Karachi where they came with their lives on their “hathelies” to support a leader who speaks the truth without thinking about the consequences.
^ but I think we would be making the same mistake if we labelled anyone who opposed Taliban as secular or pro-West/America. Secularism does not equal la-deeniyat or promotion of fahaashi. I am sure even a liberal like Hoodbhoy does not want Pakistan to become 'westernised' in that sense.
There are 1.5 million armed men on both sides of the tribal belt. Are you going to kill them all?
Uh, yes.
So, if these 1.5 million armed men are putting my relatives in danger, I should just stand by and let them do it?
WTF people?
Please, Do you really think you have a chance at destroying those people?
Pakistan should focus on developing itself as a nation, and not waste its time asskissing another nation.
^ but I think we would be making the same mistake if we labelled anyone who opposed Taliban as secular or pro-West/America. Secularism does not equal la-deeniyat or promotion of fahaashi. I am sure even a liberal like Hoodbhoy does not want Pakistan to become 'westernised' in that sense.
Pakistan is already westernized.
Coming from a military family, I can tell you this.
Our Army sypmathizes with the enemy their fighting, and do not wish to fight with them. If it weren't for the generals and politicians Pakistan would be a better off not asking America for their input.
Pakistan is already westernized.
Coming from a military family, I can tell you this.
Our Army sypmathizes with the enemy their fighting, and do not wish to fight with them. If it weren't for the generals and politicians Pakistan would be a better off not asking America for their input.
On the one hand you say Pakistan is already westernized on the basis of you coming from a military family. On the other you say our Army sympathises with the enemy their fighting and only the generals/politicians are asking America for input.
What gives?
On the one hand you say Pakistan is already westernized on the basis of you coming from a military family. On the other you say our Army sympathises with the enemy their fighting.
What gives?
When did coming from a military family mean the military is westernized? Yes, the army does sympathize with them. I could care less for Geo has to promote for its media campaign.
Pakistan Army doesn't really want to fight with its own people.
You want them to go after a phantom threat which will end up benefiting external forces, and other more real threats.
What gives?
When did coming from a military family mean the military is westernized?
I was confused by your phrasing of the post.
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Yes, the army does sympathize with them. I could care less for Geo has to promote for its media campaign.
Pakistan Army doesn't really want to fight with its own people.
You want them to go after a phantom threat which will end up benefiting external forces, and other more real threats.
What gives?
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Pakistan as a country was deeply divided over whether the taleban needed to be eliminated or merely contained as late as march. The army is reflective of the people, therefore it too was conflicted. It is only when the terrorist rats made the spectacularly assinine moves of
a) trying to expand into Buner and Dir
b) rejecting government appointed judges
c) rejecting Pakistani constitution, judges and democracy
that public opinion has turned significantly against them. 2/3rds of the people now consider Taleban a serious threat and want it removed according to the latest IRI poll. Mainstream political parties are backing the operation.
One hopes the army succeeds in establishing its writ over the region, and places boots on the ground instead of artillery fire etc so as to minimize civilian cost.
When did coming from a military family mean the military is westernized? Yes, the army does sympathize with them. I could care less for Geo has to promote for its media campaign.
Pakistan Army doesn't really want to fight with its own people.
You want them to go after a phantom threat which will end up benefiting external forces, and other more real threats.
What gives?
Phantom threat doing phantom suicide bombing, phantom beheadings phantom floggings, phantom bomb blasts.
Your post is a perfect example of when I had mentioned how badly and deeply Zia's jihadist policy has affected the psyche of pakistanis.
which secular degenerates are trying to impose 'westernization' using the danda?
Spock was talking about his dreams. That episode is not available on youtube or in real life. But it is convenient smoke screen to keep supporting danda/kalashnikov bardaar religious extremists.
And while both of them were doing that, one in MIT and one in Oxford, Altaf bhai was driving a cab in Chicago!
What has an argument between IK and PH anything to do with Altaf Bhai? Really short on arguments today are we?
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Seriously, all of a sudden you have a new respect for MIT PhDs, but Dr. Afia who also happens to be a PhD from MIT is crazy according to you! hahaha talk about whoppers!
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Afia's problem is not her MIT PhD but her indulgence with extremism. If she had put her MIT degree to good use that would have been great.
When did coming from a military family mean the military is westernized? Yes, the army does sympathize with them. I could care less for Geo has to promote for its media campaign.
Bhai Mere, still having head under the sand? Pak Army is always moderate from the beginning, as far as sympathizing with Taliban concerned, Sir we made them for some strategic goals, that's all. We don't Love Taliban, when their work is done they will be killed/destroyed/wiped-out.
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Pakistan Army doesn't really want to fight with its own people.
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Our people? Still living in denial? or you were in hibernation alot has changed in last 2-3 months :)
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You want them to go after a phantom threat which will end up benefiting external forces, and other more real threats.
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Our goal is defend and have writ of government on every inch of Pakistan, and for this every son of Pakistan can lay his life !
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What gives?
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*Come again..*
I think test and others are overexaggerating.
If you really could think you would check the link I have posted.
As I said before I don't view everything as a black and white issue.
Everytime you start to loose an argument you bring this up. Can you say something else next time? If you don't mind.
Everytime you start to loose an argument you bring this up. Can you say something else next time? If you don't mind.
I am not a blind supporter or hater of anyone. You can find good and bad points in every person. No one is perfect. And where did I condone Imran's provocative action against PH. I corrected myself in the next post after checking the link. It is you who needs to THINK. Did you even bother to check the following:
While we may disagree with some of IK's views we should atleast have the decency and commonsense to appreciate what he has done and is still doing in order to bring a meaningful change in the lives of under-privileged Pakistanis
And just because Imran lists Jinnah and Mahatir as his heroes, it should not be taken to mean that he agrees with their every word or deed. Like I do support and admire IK despite having reservations (and I am entitled to..) about some of his political views
I do not condone such behaviour and if Imran indeed provoked Hoodbhoy like that then it must be condemned
IK should never have aligned himself with NS although there's no harm in having a working relationship with everyone. You have to in politics.
But how can you be in bed with the same people who you have accused of massive corruption and fraud (and with good reason) in the past and esp. after the Sharif brothers caused him so much distress by bringing the Sita White stuff up (for their own political gain) on the eve of the 1996 election?
And he should have resisted the temptation to lean towards fundos (read religious parties....all of them) despite his conservative background. Religion and politics just don't mix for me.
Those two factors plus his continued reluctance to condemn Taliban outrightly - He should have had the wisdom and commonsense to see that regardless of the initial cause, the Taliban reaction was indefensible and threatening our very existence - has alienated him from the people and caused untold damage to his reputation.