some more reverse culture shock

I went to an event tonight with some friends from work. It was an english comedy show that was put up in this posh place in town. The attendance was just about 300 people, in a small auditorium.

It was all in english, maybe about 20 urdu words thrown in in about 2 hours, a highly westernised affair, and the performers and 85% of the audience was completely burger. The audience was mostly young ppl, a lot of high school kids too, very few uncles and aunties, and there were some foreigners there too. More than half the girls in the audience were dressed in trendy western outfits, some were wearing very fitted n revealing stuff. The comedy itself was very westernised in nature, nothing desi about it. The performers, guys and girls, Pakistani, were interacting with each other on stage ummm very very very liberally like ummm hugging and stuff..touching each other just dint seem to be an issue…

One thing positive that I did note was that they did keep limits in the words they were using in the comedy. they didn’t use any bad words. also when they were joking about Bush they condemned the fact that he was so bomb happy.

i was aware of the existence of this section of society in Pakistan. I mean, I’ve been to Karachi Grammar School [which is prolly the most burger school in Pakistan, another burger school I went to for a week was Froebels in Islamabad…] for two years for A levels [grade 12, 13] and that was the first time I came to see that such ppl also exist in Pakistan, that was a real bad culture shock to me. i was really depressed and i hated going to school, i hardly ever used to go to school for those two yrs. the farewell “ball” [yearly tradition] we had as a goodbye to our graduating class at KGS was crazy, the stuff that girls were wearing was literally ummm like miniskirts and ummm na honay ke barabar tops etc. And ofcourse it was a mixed gathering. And 95% of kids in that school are burger. they just had the attitude that pakistani culture sucks, and this country is not worth living in bla bla…really snobby…some of these were kids who were raised in pakistan but couldnt speak any language but english…thats how burger they were…

Im not condemning burgers or anything, some of them were nice too, but an eye opening observation it sure was…

I hadn’t seen that part of Pakistani society since I’d left KGS, I’d almost forgotten abt it coz KGS was a black period of my life which I had tried to blot out of my memory…and then since then never interacted with such a Pakistani crowd all thru college…

today for the first time after coming back to Pakistan from Amreeka I saw that crowd again…

i dono it just left me feeling kinda sad…that our culture, our language, our dress, our food…is so rich…but we still try to ape the west…it sad…

I agree with what you are trying to say, but being prude is just as bad if not worse than being a burger. It's also amusing to see those who curse the evils of the US but at the same time are lining up outside the US embassy for visas. Apparently hypocrisy is also rampant in our society.

Hypocrisy :disgust:

Irem, were there any double bacon cheseburgers or just plain?

1400 Million ppl & u expect them all to be same ? like u want them ? Ofcourse u gona find each & every kind. The kinds that u have never seen before, never imagined.

Irem, for heavens sake Pakistan is on the same EARTH where all the other countries r, even in the smallest, more stricker countries u find all sort of ppl.

Stop being “S-H-O-C-K-E-D” :bummer:

:bravo:

Whoever asked you to go to KGS. You're so st. pats material. You woulda loved it there :D

cheegum … like everybody else i too went to KGS for A levels for all the typical reasons…

JB bhaashan band karo Allah k banday i wasn’t shocked :stuck_out_tongue: coz i’ve seen it all before
post toh parh lya karo…i was just saying that its sad we are aping the west

Madhanee lol :hehe: nope there wasnt anything like that

sweetpie hmmm not really hypocrisy i guess, i mean they didnt claim to be something they werent i guess

skhan i’m not a prude and the problem i have is with the east imitating the west. please think twice before judging and jumping to conclusions next time :slight_smile: shukran

irem,

Just stated my opinion on prudes, never said you were one. Sorry for any misunderstanding.

sweetpie..just occurred to me…was this comment aimed at me or the ppl i was referring to in my post…? hmmm

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irem,

Just stated my opinion on prudes, never said you were one. Sorry for any misunderstanding.
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skhan...im sorry...looks like i was the one who jumped to a conclusion..

apologies

and looks like u're new here, welcome to GS :)

cursing the evils of the US or which ever country; it has nothing to do with standing in lines for visa.... when you condemn the evils you are not condemning the country in general, or its people, there are all sorts of evils in Pakistan too, a lot of people condemn the evils in Pakistan not Pakistan it self... getting visa for US in most cases is for good education since they have one the best education system in the world... no one I know so far has condemned the education system... also most of these people decide to settle down when they come here for education and they can still condemn the evils and live in that country juts like they can condemn the evils in PK and still live there... You don't have to accept everything of US just because you are standing in line for a visa.... where it has its evils it has many good things to offer as well...

irem -- there are all sorts of people in Pakistan, some will argue that it is the openness or modernization of the society and it is all good… and some will say the opposite…. It is all how you perceive life should be lived an the values that you hold so dear… for someone who does not believe in Islamic values or laws why would they care if they were hugging and touching … might as well enjoy it if one does not care about Islam. That is where hypocrisy is, when one calls himself/herself a Muslim and the actions convey the opposite of what comes out of their mouths…. That is true hypocrisy and Munafiqat…

ChaChoo thanks for that explanation, and yup u’re right… :k:

Irem,

Thanks :)

Chachoo,

I understand where you're coming from but even if you are here for the purpose of money/education, you are still LIVING here. Which means you are in constant contact/interaction with the so called corrupt society everyday. I would assume that this would be unbearable to those who raise so much hue and cry about every negative aspect of the US. Apparently not.

irem, everyone is a hypocrite in their own way, ur values may be different from them beacause u were raised differently, well so wre they. Im a srong believer that our religion n culture together are beatiful, n im totally not for the concept that westernization is synonymous with modernization n class n culture, but try not judging them. U said u went with friends (was it jus chick friends or were theyr coworker guys i ur group) or let me jus ask u , do u NOT tal to male workers at work, u wouldnt want sum1 sayin haye haye ghair mardon se baaten kerti hain, my point is perspective r different,the least we can do is try not to judge

hehe irem, you have had the honor of attending Froebels. Do you remember the Froebels vs Beaconhouse pangaz :)

whats a burger? :konfused:

Spock :hehe: I wasn’t there for a long time but yes I definitely got some inkling abt the Beacon vs Froebelz phaddaz :smiley:

Devil i’m not judging yaar…its just…i dono how to explain it…when i see such westernisation in pakistan it makes me feel sad…bas thats how i feel…i dono the rationale behind it…

skhan, welcome :slight_smile:
btw, living in the USA is one thing and letting those evils of western society become a part of ur life is another. u can have ur own lifestyle and social circle and keep urself far removed from them and not assimilate into them. so just wanting a US visa doesn’t mean i’m going to become 100% westernised and start dating, drinking, clubbing, wearing revealing clothes, stop talking in desi language and so on or even start hanging out with ppl that do or in an environment where this stuff happens… :slight_smile:

Y2MU a westernised desi living in the des

Beaconhouse rulezzzzzz :D

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I understand where you're coming from but even if you are here for the purpose of money/education, you are still LIVING here. Which means you are in constant contact/interaction with the so called corrupt society everyday. I would assume that this would be unbearable to those who raise so much hue and cry about every negative aspect of the US. Apparently not.
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There is a certain portion of desis (this is not just a desi or Muslim phenomenon) living in US who condemn US for each and everything and observe hypocritical behavior but there is a good portion of desis as well who condemn the things that they think is wrong and appreciate the things that are right. despite the popular misconception I believe that majority lies in the latter generalization.

On a different note, part of the hypocritical behavior is also the result of resistance to change and adaptation… especially for older folks…

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*Originally posted by ChaChoo: *

There is a certain portion of desis (this is not just a desi or Muslim phenomenon) living in US who condemn US for each and everything and observe hypocritical behavior but there is a good portion of desis as well who condemn the things that they think is wrong and appreciate the things that are right. despite the popular misconception I believe that majority lies in the latter generalization.

On a different note, part of the hypocritical behavior is also the result of resistance to change and adaptation… especially for older folks…
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ahaN...agreed to that

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