Some men have no honor/Daughter Killing

BUREWALA: A man killed his four daughters by slitting their throats while they slept in their home at Qadria Colony Chak No 187/EB Gaggo Mandi on Friday night.

Nazir Ahmad son of Murad Ali, labourer, came to area police station to court arrest after the gruesome killing.

Nazir married his elder daughter Muqaddas, 22, about three years ago in Chak No 46/EB Arifwala. But her daughter’s marriage was on the brink of collapse due to tiff over domestic issues and she had come to her parent’s home.

During her stay at home, she developed illicit relations with a youth of the area and a few days earlier the girl eloped with the youth and returned but Nazir resented this act and plotted to kill the four daughters as he feared that other girls might follow her.

Last night, he intoxicated his wife and four daughters and tied them up with a rope.

First he slit the throat of Muqaddas and then killed three others daughters including Bano Rani, 10, Sumaira, 6, and Humaira, 4.

The accused after carrying out the grisly killing, spent the night by collecting woods for fire to warm himself.

When his wife Rehmat woke up in the morning, she raised hue and cry and people gathered.

Nazir confessed to the killing in his first statement at local police station.

He said that he killed his elder daughter for her wrongdoings and killed three others so that they should not follow their elder sister.

Police have registered anti-terrorism-cum-murder case against the accused under Section 302 PPC and 6/7 ATA on the statement of his wife and started investigation.

The accused was father of seven children four daughters and three sons.

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we should be used to reading these kind a stories by now...but for some reason readin it everytime feels like its the first time and it sure hurts a lot!

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wow..... that suks ....prosecution...is in order...i hope

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Exactly my thoughts. It’s sad that this is so common, that we’re getting used to these kind of stories.

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Umer and laadly, I agree with you.

You're right. It's a dilemma. It hurts every time, but if we want to highlight all such crimes here, we're going to see new threads every day. We should talk about individual cases, but we should talk more about how to educate these people (who're certainly not reading this thread), and try to change this concept of 'honor'. Education is the key. Law and order, constitutional changes, even the cosmetic measures such as this thread-activism is good. But unless you change the whole culture by educating them, you're never going to see a clear reduction in such crimes. We can sit here all day long and talk about the horrible incident, but who's going to educate these (mostly illiterate) people who think that by killing their children, they're saving their honor and show no qualms about what they've done. Obviously, it was not any religion that led him to kill his daughters. Nor was it constitution of Pakistan. It was this culture of 'honor'. To win the war we must strike at the heart of this dishonorable culture.

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:( very sad,
Tauba.

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The fact the this is being talked about, the newspapers printing and informing, the police taking an interest and charging these people with anti terrorism cum something or other is a way forward....you wouldnt have heard about this a few years ago!

Its very difficult to change people mindsets, the concept of honour or rather the way in which the stigma or shame of having ones "honour" defiled isnt just something relegated to the poor illiterates similar things happen in the homes of billionaire arabs.

What is rather disturbing is that there will be people in Pakistan who will consider what this man has done to be perfectly reasonable solution to a problem they will use it as a moral warning to their children.
at the end of the day they have a code of conduct...the customs were broken when the married girl ran away with her boyfriend....

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I have heard a lot of these girls running away with bfs stories in punjab (sometimes with grizzly endings).

Maybe it has to do with the culture that needs changing?

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Yes, the undesirable things of Punjabi culture need changing.

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On a slightly different note, Punjabi population is more than 50% of Pakistani population. If all paks are of the same cultural or intellectual standards, we're going to see half of these cases in Punjab. (Now, somebody please mention statistics. I'm too tired). We can also read up on Karokari; marriages with Koran; walking on embers to prove innocence; the new forms of rape introduced by some 'progressive' political cultures; and the cultures who don't let their women run away. They kill them right away.

In any case, Punjabis are the worst. :)

Over and out ......

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As I said sometimes women can’t run away… here’s recent story from Peshawar.

PESHAWAR, Dec 15: A court on Thursday sent to a relief centre a woman who had been allegedly forced into prostitution by her husband. Judicial Magistrate Malik Amjid Raheem ordered that the woman, Laiqa, should be kept in the Women Crisis Centre.
The court ordered the SHO of the Faqirabad police station to register a case against the woman’s husband Hamidullah Khan in the light of her statement.
The woman had initially filed a complaint with police under Section 107 of the Criminal Procedure Code, requesting that her husband should be detained because of his immoral behaviour.
The woman appeared before the court and her statement was recorded under Section 164 of the CrPC. She stated that she was married to Hamidullah about six years ago and she had three children. She said that her husband had forced her into prostitution and she was fed up with her life. She said her husband tortured her when she refused to submit to his demand. She said she no longer wanted to live with her husband. The court inquired from her if she was willing to go to a shelter house and ordered that she should be kept in the crisis centre.

( http://www.dawn.com/2005/12/16/nat23.htm )

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How convenient to kill the daughters INCASE they follow in the eldest’s footsteps :hehe: Maybe someone will come up with the idea of killing the boys too so they don;t follow in the footsteps of their jahil father.

Im sure such incidents happen all over the country since there is a lot of ignorance and illiteracy in Pakistan, unless u turn a blind eye to it. Punjab being the most populous has a larger number ofcourse so u get to hear about it more often or maybe such incidents/crimes are reported more in punjab thats why we get to hear about them more often. Had this family belonged to sindh or peshawar or anywhere else in Pakistan, do you think the girl would have been spared her life by her father? What else would any father do from that part of the world? No one would have married her again for sure, it didn;t work out with the guy she eloped with thats why she returned to begin with, her husband wouldn;t have taken her back after hearing of the incident, her father would never have kept her at his house, I haven;t heard of people being handed over to the police for eloping. What else would any father have done in Pakistan? Infact if the father didn’t do anything, im sure some chacha mamaa or hubby would have done the job with pleasure. Elopement goes against religion aswell as culture, so thats a double whammy, there is just no way out. Now if the father had infact spared her life you have a mountain of relatives and people who would have made their life a living hell aswell as people here commenting on how shameless and westernised people are getting in Pakistan. In Pakistan there is just no pleasing anyone, someone or the other will always have a problem with something or the other. The ignorance and ‘code of honour’ are not going anywhere.

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also....alot of girls that grew up or spent most of their lives in Britain/USA are cleverly taken to pakistan with the excuse of vacation and are forced into marriages. for such girls it is very hard to find a way out of the situation since they do not know much about what institutions to contact to aid them. Alot of them also agree to it under emotional blackmail from family members.

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Crime has no race, and you proved it that dumbness has no race or color either :stuck_out_tongue:

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By saying that u have placed urself above that father in dumbness.. he had a gender issue u have racial issues ! just by reading few newspaper stories ur jumping to these conclusions.. u need real help..

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I apologize for my inability to express myself properly. Irony is a form of expression. In its simplest form it is called sarcasm. Here's a brief definition:

"The two basic kinds of irony are verbal and irony of situation (for the latter one may substitute, on occasions, irony of behavior). At its simplest, verbal irony involves saying what one does not mean."

(Penguin dictionary of literary terms and literary theory)

Pakistani Describes Killing of Daughters

By KHALID TANVEER, Associated Press Writer

MULTAN, Pakistan - Nazir Ahmed appears calm and unrepentant as he recounts how he slit the throats of his three young daughters and their 25-year old stepsister to salvage his family’s “honor” — a crime that shocked Pakistan.

The 40-year old laborer, speaking to The Associated Press in police detention as he was being shifted to prison, confessed to just one regret — that he didn’t murder the stepsister’s alleged lover too.

Hundreds of girls and women are murdered by male relatives each year in this conservative Islamic nation, and rights groups said Wednesday such “honor killings” will only stop when authorities get serious about punishing perpetrators.

The independent Human Rights Commission of Pakistan said that in more than half of such cases that make it to court, most end with cash settlements paid by relatives to the victims’ families, although under a law passed last year, the minimum penalty is 10 years, the maximum death by hanging.

Ahmed’s killing spree — witnessed by his wife Rehmat Bibi as she cradled their 3 month-old baby son — happened Friday night at their home in the cotton-growing village of Gago Mandi in eastern Punjab province.

It is the latest of more than 260 such honor killings documented by the rights commission, mostly from media reports, during the first 11 months of 2005.

Bibi recounted how she was woken by a shriek as Ahmed put his hand to the mouth of his stepdaughter Muqadas and cut her throat with a machete. Bibi looked helplessly on from the corner of the room as he then killed the three girls — Bano, 8, Sumaira, 7, and Humaira, 4 — pausing between the slayings to brandish the bloodstained knife at his wife, warning her not to intervene or raise alarm.

“I was shivering with fear. I did not know how to save my daughters,” Bibi, sobbing, told AP by phone from the village. “I begged my husband to spare my daughters but he said, ‘If you make a noise, I will kill you.’”

“The whole night the bodies of my daughters lay in front of me,” she said.

The next morning, Ahmed was arrested.

Speaking to AP in the back of police pickup truck late Tuesday as he was shifted to a prison in the city of Multan, Ahmed showed no contrition. Appearing disheveled but composed, he said he killed Muqadas because she had committed adultery, and his daughters because he didn’t want them to do the same when they grew up.

He said he bought a butcher’s knife and a machete after midday prayers on Friday and hid them in the house where he carried out the killings.

“I thought the younger girls would do what their eldest sister had done, so they should be eliminated,” he said, his hands cuffed, his face unshaven. “We are poor people and we have nothing else to protect but our honor.”

Despite Ahmed’s contention that Muqadas had committed adultery — a claim made by her husband — the rights commission reported that according to local people, Muqadas had fled her husband because he had abused her and forced her to work in a brick-making factory.

Police have said they do not know the identity or whereabouts of Muqadas’ alleged lover.

Muqadas was Bibi’s daughter by her first marriage to Ahmed’s brother, who died 14 years ago. Ahmed married his brother’s widow, as is customary under Islamic tradition.

“Women are treated as property and those committing crimes against them do not get punished,” said the rights commission’s director, Kamla Hyat. “The steps taken by our government have made no real difference.”

Activists accuse President Gen. Pervez Musharraf, a self-styled moderate Muslim, of reluctance to reform outdated Islamized laws that make it difficult to secure convictions in rape, acid attacks and other cases of violence against women. They say police are often reluctant to prosecute, regarding such crimes as family disputes.

Statistics on honor killings are confused and imprecise, but figures from the rights commission’s Web site and its officials show a marked reduction in cases this year: 267 in the first 11 months of 2005, compared with 579 during all of 2004. The Ministry of Women’s Development said it had no reliable figures.

Ijaz Elahi, the ministry’s joint secretary, said the violence was decreasing and that increasing numbers of victims were reporting incidents to police or the media. Laws, including one passed last year to beef up penalties for honor killings, had been toughened, she said.

Police in Multan said they would complete their investigation into Ahmed’s case in the next two weeks and that he faces the death sentence if he is convicted for the killings and terrorizing his neighborhood.

Ahmed, who did not resist arrest, was unrepentant.

“I told the police that I am an honorable father and I slaughtered my dishonored daughter and the three other girls,” he said. “I wish that I get a chance to eliminate the boy she ran away with and set his home on fire.”

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051228/ap_on_re_as/pakistan_honor_killings;_ylt=Arl56tkFUqm7lRa9GxtfWoMUewgF;_ylu=X3oDMTA3b3JuZGZhBHNlYwM3MjE-

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It's really sad, I feel anger as well as sympathy for this man.

He deserves the capital punishment, but maybe he went psycho after what his brothers daughter did?

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He's sick. Needs help.

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why sympathy?