Some food for thought...

I ask that you be completely objective, detached, and open-minded when answering the following question (truthfully, ofcourse).

Let’s say, hypothetically, that society started this new thing where parents were to not mention religion or anything about it to their children. Then, when people reached a certain age, say.. 18, they would be able to choose their beliefs on their own (through research, questioning scholars of diff. faiths, etc.).

Do you think you would end up being a Muslim?

My answer would be probaby not. And I think a lot of people would have a similar answer. And so doesn’t that mean that, sadly enough, the majority of us are Muslim only because our parents are?

There are, however, many people that have converted to Islam. And you will notice that these people have more compassion for the religion than anyone that was ever simply born into a Muslim family. It means a lot more if you “choose” the belief yourself. So I guess being born into a Muslim family has us all basically screwed over because we’ll never have the same concern for Islam as those who were able to go out of their way to find it.

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Almost all the big Alims were born in Muslim families. A lot of beautiful Islamic literature was created by people born in Muslim families. Majority of the people who go to Masjid or follow religion passionately are born in Muslim families. There are handful of converts among them, right ? So what does that prove ?
When it comes to Islam , surely a combination of your family's commitment and your own passion plays a vital role in what kind of Muslim you become. No ?

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Peace phatima1

There is an argument that Allah (SWT) chooses whomsoever to Guide and let go astray ... so fundamentally the answer is abstract from the question you have asked.

I would argue in agreement to your assessment that most Muslims would not be Muslims if given a choice. Most PEOPLE resemble their crowds, if parents are not teaching Islam to their children or not being good examples of just and trustworthy people then for Islam to enter their hearts will be harder.

In fact most Muslims are not really Muslims in the sense of belief, because they have not necessarily gone to the effort of trying to understand their faith, rather they have accepted a defacto position after being 'raised' as Muslims, by name.

I would also add that most Muslims that are not religious are from families where there has been an inadequate demonstration of Islam. So it is quite possible that children become Muslim merely by seeing their parents practice Islam, but to practice Islam fully it requires us to teach it to our children, if we don't teach it to them until they reach 18 years then we have already compromised the rules of Islam and will be hypocrites. Otherwise if we teach our children to be truthful and practice ourselves we are actually teaching them about Islam. Even if we only demonstrate truthfulness we are teaching them an aspect of Islam. Same goes with patience, being it and teaching it, steadfast in prayer being it and teaching it, kindness being kind and teaching it, not governed by wealth, in actions and speech and so on.

Some of the reasons why people become Muslim is because they are already in a pious disposition, due to their familial upbringing. A Christian may choose Islam after realising that there is a truth in it that supersedes the truth of his own way and meets what his own parents have always strived to instil in him.

Being born in a Muslim family has two aspects ... yes we are 'screwed' as you most emphatically put it, but only because we should realise a greater responsibility to teach it effectively to our children. However, those who are born outside Islam are equally 'screwed' because as you have rightly said if you had to choose it for yourself when you reached 18 years you would probably not, then that would mean not only we would not be good Muslims, we would not even be Muslim by name. I think it better for us to be thankful to Allah (SWT) that we were born Muslims at least we have some sort of a head start, but we should not abuse that position by becoming complacent or care-free about it.

The rules in Islam are two and we pray to Allah (SWT) to keep us away from these:

1) The way taken by those people who earn Ghadab (Allah's Anger)
2) The way taken by those people who went astray

Generally speaking the arrogant, careless, impious believers in one God fall into category 1, and the people who may do all of the nice things in life but do not believe in God or call upon many gods are those who have gone astray. We need to seek to avoid both of these routes. We need to be both kind and honest but also strongly believe in and worship One God.

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at age 18 u might choose not to. at age 21 u might feel differently.

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Sure, there are people that are compassionate about Islam that have been born into a Muslim family, but there are far more people that are careless of their religion that have been born into Muslim families. Generally speaking, people born into Muslim families are less likely to have the sort of zeal for Islam that a convert would.

So, is it necessarily our fault that some of us aren't all that religious?

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Sure our upbringing makes a lot of difference, but really it is our personal thought process, experience, need, understanding, exposure and association that brings us closer to our religion. I think I would love to be a muslim always.

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Good questions phatima1. So much of world's misery including war, hatred even ethnic cleansing etc have religious roots. And such atrocity is not limited to islam. the crusades had similar roots too.

Being born into a family that practices a religion, that will automatically imbibe such practice into a child. Just like the mother tongue one speaks. It also impractical to constrain the parents and the rest of the family not mention anything religious to a kid until they turn 18.

What is practical is to ensure that whatever religious practice obtains in the household has following characteristics:

1) it should not constrain the kid from learning anything, including about world's religions and philosophies

2) it should provide for an open and inquiring mind and support choices

3) it should, through a system of not just edicts but with actual elaboration, provide a library of cause and effects, parameters to discriminate between good and bad....but let the individual mind arrive at their own stations

4) it should not place constraints of rituals, practices and bondage (oblications), including forcing any god upon the individual

That is a true religion that will help people.

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I can honestly say that despite being born in a Muslim family, I became a Muslim a after I hit 20 years of age.

My parents and extended family is much more liberal than I am, so my upbringing was hardly religious. Islam, for me, is the perfect religion grounded in rationality and asking the human to place forward the best in themselves.

This is a very important question for all of us Muslims - particularly those us who boast about their Muslim lineage. I would rather pray behind an incarcerated momin over a muslim in name only seyyid.

May Allah guide us towards the eternal truths of Al-Islam.

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StirCrasy,
I think you may have missed my point. The purpose of providing that hypothetical scenario was to just give an example to show that most of us probably wouldn't be Muslims if we weren't born into Muslim families.

pak-one,
That's very uplifting to hear. =) Good for you. And you are just the type of person (as I am trying to explain) that Muslims should strive to be.

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stircrasy , it has been nationalism not religion which has led to more wars than certainly more deaths
problem is that the so-called religious wars were mostly waged by nationalistic and racist people who simply happened to be of different faiths/sects and used religion as a rallying cry for war...e.g turks vs europeans , spanish vs english , persians vs mughals

phatima1 interesting question i dont think all converts are all that good either depends on why they converted some people converted simply because of their spouses or because they live in a muslim country ....but yes generally speaking converts value relgion more than those who were born into it ...

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I am talking about current times, not a historical count

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Morals and Ethics cannot be taught separately from religion. At the core, the Universe is impossible to totally understand. Therefore, it is natural human tendency to seek a superior power.

What I'm trying to say is that if I were not born into a Muslim family, I have no idea what I'd be but I'd likely be a member of another faith.

Given that Islam is arguably the simplest of all the major faiths, I'm glad my ancestors chose wisely. :)

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Why not?

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And at 35 you realise you were wrong again. :)

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There is an argument that Allah (SWT) chooses whomsoever to Guide and let go astray ... so fundamentally the answer is abstract from the question you have asked.

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So allah decides to make people go astray and burn them in hell for it in the afterlife. Allah refuses to guide certain people and later put them in hell. Is seing people being burnt in hellfire a form of entertainment for allah?

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Your enemy has to be imprisoned before he learns to fight back. Here, religion is the jailor and the enemy is humanity. Obviously, a human being should be imprisoned in religion before he learns to think independently. This is the policy every religion has been following.

If people were allowed to choose( and hear about) religion only after they turned 18, the number of theists in this world would dwindle into dust. What a happy situation that would be!

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quite right :k:

Teenage is very volatile and unsettling.

decisions made at 18 and decision made at 25 may vary a great deal.

at 18 i would not have bothered much, but at 25 i would be able to give it a thought seriously.

  • surrounding envirenment effect a lot too

But in the end i would say after careful observation and calculation that Islam is safest bet :chai:

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the number of death in current conflicts is almost negliable compared to wars of the last century

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Question: do you and your parents share the same sect?

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If this is the case how can human beings be punished for going astray or rewarded for following the “right” path ?? When this was not up to them anyway:confused: