Some common misconceptions about Shi’ism(merged)

[Texan_Dude]

Re: Some common misconceptions about Shi’ism(merged)

@asayb

“Considering Quran is compiled in the order it was revealed why is not this ayat towards the end…Does it mean to sunnis… Islam was completed in verse 5:3… what does rest of the ayats mean to you than? "
As we all know Allah is a protector of quran himself there no dought about that. its Allah’s will that what Quran we have and in what sequance its in.
If you all have any dought of Allah’s claim of protection of Quran in any way either there are some missing “Ayat” or in a squences, then your not objecting any group of islam your are objecting Allah”

Asayb… why do you keep going in circles ignoring the question I asked and keep asking the same things again and again… Incase you are having trouble.. let me number my questions for you…

1. Aren’t you the one who said not believing the quran is in correct sequence is like doubting on Allah SWT as the protector even though I kinda made it clear no shia doubts in Allah SWT as the protector and therefore there aren’t any other versions of Quran out there like bible but asked you if Quran is in the sequence why is the ayat indicated below is not towards the End

“Today I have perfected your religion and completed my favour upon you, and I was satisfied that Islam be your religion.” (Qur’an 5:3)

Now if this ayat is in Chapter 5, Is only the ayats upto chapter 5 significant for you..since Islam was complete… or rather than us its you doubting the authenticity of Quran… Rather than answering my question you keep accusing us… I asked you for reference about the thing you said that shia believes some ayats on Imam Mahdi being removed… We don’t believe any ayat in the Quran is removed and I made it clear but rather than answering my question you went out saying if you guys doubt the ayat are missing we about doubting Allah… care to give references of where did you learn that from… and if there was any such thing its got to be dhaef because it contradicts the ayat… so please give me references before you make such a claim… or is it one of those other rumors you have been spreading on your agenda to slader shias without any references… if it is so… May Allah give you ajjar for it. if you think its a good deed .. Ameen..because you are trying to mislead other fellow guppies with rumors you yourself never gave references too ..

2. You said Islam doesnot care who married who… Based on the light of the argument… Are the wives of Prophet Mohammad P.B.U.H. Ummul Momineen… since Like YOU (NOT SHIAS) said Islam doesnot care who married who.

@asayb

Question by Me
“At one place you mentioned that its Allah SWT who makes one cry and on the other side you said Prophet Mohammad P.B.U.H. asked not to mourn on the deceased? why would he stop someone when like you said Its Allah SWT who makes one cry?”

its not i am saying its Ahdis and what you are trying to say these are all wrong? and in these “Ahdis” is there some where written you shold mourn every year.
and what do you think Hazrat Husan was embraced shahadt or he was just died?
and about you said romers all these things are told me none other then you shia brothers.

3. And did I say the above hadith are wrong… You gave two hadith and I asked you a question just so I can get better interpretation of it… Does it mean I am denying the hadith… Now to you If a shia ask a question to interpret a hadith does it mean he is denying it??? Is that how it works in islam never try to ask question to get a better understanding of something or is it a part of you motto to slander shias..???

**Oh! so all these rumors you have been spreading are things you have heard from shia brothers rather than reading for yourself in book… Was there just one shia brother or two ADIL Witness who claim to have been taught or read this teaching in a book??? WHAT A GOOD JOB SPREADING RUMORS MAN !!! I don’t know if I should pray to Allah to give you some Taqwa or pray to Allah give you Ajjar for it… **

May Allah guide the people you might have misled with your rumors and save them for your shar in future and teach you a bit of Taqwa..Ameen

@asayb

“IMAM” as far as i know “Imam” means the person who lead Namaz and other muslim follow him as we call Namaz Ba Jmat.

**“Imam” as a protector of islam i have heard it before this first time i got chance to ask from you shia, is this mentioned some where in Quran?

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4. Just for the sake of getting a better understanding so please don’t use it against me to spread rumors…but I have a question…
So if Imam is the person who leads namaaz… Imam Shafai, Imam Malaiki and Imam Hanafi are no better than the maulvi at mosque or are they???

By the way besides defending Islam they are also a source of guidance after Prophet Mohammad P.B.U.H.

Hmm Ayats on Imam… here are a few i found on www.al-islam.org](http://www.al-islam.org/) feel free to verify them…

Certainly, being the members of the parties of such Satanic Imams has been severely denounced in Quran, and the followers of such parties will meet the fate of their leaders. However, Quran also reminds that there are Imams who are appointed by Allah as Guides for the mankind:“And We ASSIGNED from among them some Imams who GUIDE by Our authority since they were patient and believed firmly in Our Signs.” (Quran 32:24) On the other hand, if one becomes the Shia a tyrant or a wrong-doer, he shall meet with the fate of his leader. In fact, Quran indicates that on the day of Judgment people will come in groups, and each group has its leader in front of it. Allah, to whom belong Might and Majesty, said: One day We shall call every group of people by their respective Imams. (Quran 17:71) In the day of judgment, the destiny of the “followers” of each group highly depends on the destiny of his Imam (provided that they really followed that Imam). Allah mentioned in Quran that there are two types of Imams. Some Imams are those who invite people to Hell fire. They are tyrannical leaders of each era (like Pharaoh, etc.): **And We made them (but) Imams inviting to the Fire; and on the Day of Judgment no help shall they find. In this world We continued to curse them; and on the Day of Judgment they will be among the hateful. (Quran 28:41-42). **

Certainly, the true followers (Shia) of these Imams will be the real prosperous on the day of resurrection. Thus being a Shia does not mean anything, unless we know the Shia of whom. Allah mentioned in Quran that Some of His righteous servants were Shia of His other righteous servants. An example was Prophet Abraham who was mentioned in Quran specifically as the Shia of Noah:[indent]“And most surely Abraham was among the Shia of him (i.e., Noah)” (Quran 37:83)

[indent]“And he (Moses) went into the city at a time when people (of the city) were not watching, so he found therein two men fighting, one being of his Shia and the other being his enemy, and the one who was of his Shia cried out to him for help against the one who was of his enemy” (Quran 28:15)

In the above verse of Quran, one is named the Shia of Moses (AS) and the other one is named the enemy of Moses, and the people at that time were either the Shia or the enemy of Moses (AS). Thus Shia is an official word used by Allah in His Quran for His high rank prophets as well as their followers. Do you want to say Prophet Abraham was sectarian? How about Prophet Noah and Prophet Moses?

Above ayats were taken from the following website…there are also hadith with sunni references if you want to look at it.
http://www.al-islam.org/encyclopedia/

@asayb

about Gazwa khandq, tell me who dig those khandaq’s only Prophet Mohammed (SAWW) and Hazrat Ali(AS) and what about other shabas they all jest said " sorry Prophet Muhammed (SAWW) we are not with you in this battle and you are your own"

The incident I was referring it too was after the khandaq was digged and Umar Ibne Abduwad crossed the khandaq and started insulting Islam… Holy Prophet Mohammad P.B.U.H. asked three times and Only time Maula Ali A.S. was the only one who stood up… and no I don’t have any references on it at the moment. I can try to look up for references if you want me too.

@asayb

what about gazwa Badar Gazwa Ohad.

Since you asked for it.. Gazwa Ohad is the Gazwa where Imam Ali A.S. was awarded sword (Zulfiqar) from Allah SWT… He was there with the Prophet…even though some of his companions left him for Maal-e-Ganimaat…

Again this is what I have learn’t but have no references.. so feel free to open your books and read on both the battles if you want to find out authenticity of this incidents.

@asayb

what about event of Karbla if Hazrat Hussan was protector of islam why he was unable to protect the islam from Yazed.

Astagfirullah… Do you have any idea what you just said… Nauzubillah Imam Hussan was unable to protect Islam from Yazeed… Do you have any idea what the incident of Kerbala is all about… You said such a big thing so easily… When asked by Imam Zain ul Abideen the son Of Imam Hussain A.S. if his father won and lost the battle of Kerbala, Imam asked him to go and pray two rakat in the mosque, after he came back from the prayers, Imam said till the time this prayers are alive its victory of Imam Hussain A.S.

To sumarize you in short Imam Husain didn’t just fight Yazeed for khilafat or what ever…from what I have learnt from Maulana in majlises and a small prespective I PERSONALLY developed…he raised voice against the system that had developed after Holy Prophet Mohammad P.B.U.H. After his death whoever came to the throne was regarded Amir ul Momineen irrespective of how did he become Khaleefa. Imam Husain Knew Yazeed was not at all the right person and if he will give alligance he could have introduced alot of bidats..but if Imam Husain would have defeated Yazeed in the battle history probably would have said it was a fight between two princes for the throne and true maqsad of Imam Husain A.S. would have never came forward, but Imam therefore sacrificed his own life and his family in Kerbala with three days of hunger and thirst… and what Yazeed did with the ladies of family of Prophet Mohammad P.B.U.H.. things like taking their hijab… taking them around the streets of Koofa and shaam… made a show out of them… was clear enough to open the eyes… that anyone who becomes khaleefa is not Amir ul Momineen..this is just my PERSONAL prespective along with several other intensions Imam might have had … Again I am no Alim or maulana to give a bigger or better picture… May Allah forgive me If i don’t do a good job explaining it… or some other issues…Ameen

@asayb

They were sahabas they were not angels that they cannot do sins one example has given by “Texan_Dude” of Hazrat Billal.

Let me quote what I said earlier

@Texan_Dude

Even in this case none of the companions raised any objection at the action of Bilal, the special Muezzin of the Prophet (s.a.w). Moreover, the Holy Prophet (s.a.w) was yet alive and not dead. This is the extreme extent of grief. Then how can similar action for Imam Hussain (a.s) be prohibited?

And you missed the whole point… if the practice is not allowed why didn’t the companions or Prophet Mohammad P.B.U.H. stopped Hazrat Bilal

@asayb

I have a question. Can you all post a bit more about what Shiites say about human sacrifices, worshipping the dead, or hurting oneself for the “sake” of a Prophet.

Sister if you are interested in learning more you can go to the following website to read about both the sects…
http://www.al-islam.org/peshawar/
http://www.al-islam.org/guided/
or go to the following encyclopedia link.
http://www.al-islam.org/encyclopedia/
or read this book
http://www.al-islam.org/nahj/

May Allah help us all follow the right path… and forgive me if I didn’t do a good job explaining things or if I offended anyone or misled someone un intenionally..ameen

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