Soldiers speak up!

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Then why are you asking me for proof about something I never said?

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I think its impossible to control a conspiracy of this magnitude with this many witnesses. As you say, not all soldiers would have been involved in the planting, and atleast some of them can be assumed to be honest.

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Its not a conspiracy of HUGE magnitude, they do it all the time. The massive amounts of ammunition they soemtimes show on PTV khabarnama claiming they got it from some extremists blah blah was shown on a weekly basis.

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All the more reason the remaining who were very close proximity to the operation would speak about the truth :)

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Go talk to the locals who live there next ot the mosque and went there 5 times a day for prayers, and you expect them to believe ONE DAY it was some sort of ammunition dump, yeah right. Such theories arent even entertained in lalokhet yar.

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It probably needs more than a few ghulails :) esp if they're SSG soldiers wearing sophisticated armour. But you're the expert here.

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Really? From what I remember, they didnt even try to go inside, bahir sey kharey ho kar hawai fire hi tu kar rahey they SSG or non-SSG.

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I didnt make any statement about its popularity. Merely that YOU arent 'everyone', nor are YOUR attitudes necessarily representative of the pakistani people.

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Blah blah, its obvious, Lal Masjid in PAkistan is considered a disaster, admit it or not. Its pretty obvious and claiming it had Govt support is as laughable as the 95% referundums.

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Prove that soldiers surrounding the mosque are better equipped to know the nature of arms being used than you?
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The fact that the PAkistan Army is the 5th of 6th best army in the world suffices. Even if the lal masjiders had all sort of weaponary inside, you cant expect them to have an upper hand over what they were carrying inside.

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For the third time. Do you have anything concrete about specifically which arms you think were planted, and which were used?
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Go look up those pictures again please, if you are that curious.

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Yes, because clearly the people who prayed there every day would also go and look through every single room in the compound every single time that they would go and pray. Naturally, the best place to store your weapons and ammunition is in plain sight.

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Im asking for proof of soldiers SAYING the weapons were planted.

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Its not a conspiracy of HUGE magnitude, they do it all the time. The massive amounts of ammunition they soemtimes show on PTV khabarnama claiming they got it from some extremists blah blah was shown on a weekly basis.

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If its not a HUGE diversion from the truth its a non issue. The standard conspiracy goes haye becharay lal masjid ke masoom militants, they had nothing those weapons were planted all neat look even the ammo was unused, they were fighting with ghulails etc etc.
That is a HUGE conspiracy, that would require a lot of people to cover up.

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Go talk to the locals who live there next ot the mosque and went there 5 times a day for prayers, and you expect them to believe ONE DAY it was some sort of ammunition dump, yeah right. Such theories arent even entertained in lalokhet yar.

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Read MS's reply.

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Blah blah, its obvious, Lal Masjid in PAkistan is considered a disaster, admit it or not.

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I consider it a disaster myself. The fact that the situation arose in the first place, not that it was eventually tackled.

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Its pretty obvious and claiming it had Govt support is as laughable as the 95% referundums.

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So it didnt have govt support even?

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Prove that soldiers surrounding the mosque are better equipped to know the nature of arms being used than you?
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The fact that the PAkistan Army is the 5th of 6th best army in the world suffices. Even if the lal masjiders had all sort of weaponary inside, you cant expect them to have an upper hand over what they were carrying inside.

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Look at what you've quoted, and what you're saying in reply. It is impossible to see a connection between the two.

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Go look up those pictures again please, if you are that curious.
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Im curious as to which weapons YOU think werent being used by Lal Masjid militants. Clearly you have graduated from ghulail to Ak47. Lets see if we can take you any further :)

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I know its hard for you to admit something where maharaja musharraf is involved, but check this out, even if we assume they were there, what in the world was the intelligence, which by the way is a few km’s away from this place doing? talk about being naive! Just dont be a yes man and try to question whatever comes out of your politician’s mouth.

Lal Masjid weapons cast doubts on role of agencies

Lal Masjid weapons cast doubts on role of agencies

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It could be soldiers, special forces, paid henchmen etc. Throwing the same question back to you, how come no one has surfaced, i.e. claiming they were involved in getting these weapons for the lal masjid to begin with? I mean things have a tailpipe dont they, if you think someone has to come up and claim they were planted, assuming thats not the case, then whoever supplied the masjid must surface and make a claim too.

Again, please dont resort to lying. They did have a few weapons, and despite the measures the Pak military took, they did put up a good fight, for a long time.

As if this is the first time the Govt planned such a thing.

For someone whose loyalty and allegiance to Musharraf has blinded him, I dont need to bother with that.

The only disaster was the Govt arming them, supporting them, funding them, appointing them, and then in the end going all out against them, killing many innocent people in the process.

Just like how there is a connection b/w the taliban and lal masjid :hehe:

Again, you dont need to lie ravage, unless you can prove I said they are using ghulails or otherwise just keep a lid on it, rather than mindlessly parroting the same lies over andover again. They had guns, as in AK47s we all know that, even they claimed they had 13 of those, which is more than enough needed to kill 8 or so soldiers that they took out. And if you think those are sophisticated hard to find weapons, you will find them all over your karachi or peshawar too, licensed and unlicensed so dont be shocked or expect a military aaaperation in those places based on that.

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And p.s. here is a excerpt of a nice piece, backed with facts from reputed media sources:

Not allowing the media at the time of operation makes some sense. However, not allowing them to enter the mosque immediately after the operation and a “ban on media personnel to visit hospital” and cold storage for dead bodies simply shows that there was too much for the regime to hide and plant.
It would be ridiculous on the part of relatives of the victims to insist looking in the mass graves for their loved ones, which the regime should have handed over to the relative in the first place.
An announcement to come and recognize your loved ones in the dead bodies at cold storage would have brought many to the front to show the estimate of missing people. May be that’s why the government was in a hurry and started digging and burying during the night. The laborers working on the graves have told BBC of finding “two and more bodies in one coffin.” And logically, more than 100 mass graves for 102 victims (as per the military regimes claim) just do not make any sense.

Dawn editorial on July 11, 2007 states:
“Eighty per cent of the operation,” to quote an army spokesman, had been completed to expel the terrorists from the Lal Masjid when these lines were written, and Abdul Rashid Ghazi had been killed, though resistance from hard-core militants was still going on, with the death toll in the vicinity of 150."
Note the figures of 150 dead by the time when 80 % operation was completed. And come back to the government’s figure of just 50 after 100% operation that was regurgitated by all the national and international media for a long time after completion of the bloody drama.
For the sake of discussion, even if we take the official figures of casualty as true, aren’t more than 100, including women and children, a significant number?
Couldn’t these lives be saved?
Of course, they “could have been saved” provided General Musharraf the had not “ordered operation before the end of negotiations” as we can see from “numerous reports” and personal testimony of those who were involved in the negotiations.
Mufti Usmani who was part of the delegation affirms that the two sides had reached an agreement. They wrote it down. In fact, the government Minister of Information inked it and took it share with General Musharraf, who rejected it and when Chaudhry Shujaat returned “things were back to the square one.” Moreover, at the same time, the military personnel on the ground “started harassing them to leave” as it was already too late for them to begin the operation.
This has been proved conclusively that the bloodbath at the mosque could have been avoided but Musharraf had other nefarious designs and malicious objectives to achieve. The “daily Ummat, July 11 report ” and interview with the two individuals, who were part of the final delegation, is part of the evidence against General Musharraf. Ghazi’s “last communication to the media” is far more credible than all the government reports.
The deceased Ghazi could be evil, so to say, but at the very least he would not lie to three TV channels “just moments before his death.” He said it repeatedly that he wanted the government to allow media to come in to see for itself if what the regime was claiming had any connection with the reality.
**If the government were true in its claims to foreign fighters and a cache of weapons in the mosque, it should have let the media in. What was it afraid of? It is not a blunder on the part of government. It was part of the strategic planning. With media’s access, the regime’s case would have fallen apart and it’s lies about foreign fighters and weapons would have been exposed leaving it with no justification to launch the bloody assault and score points with its foreign masters. The negotiating ulema have also refuted the regimes claim that Ghazi has asked for safe passage for foreigners. **

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Wow, really? You are now quoting khilafah wannabe and pan-islamist nutcase abid aullah jan? You mgiht as well quote baitullah mehsud as "proof" Even his argument makes no sense. Why would the government allow the media to take pictures of the dead and blood inside?