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Where do u hear that, You dont need to try. You try when you want to convince others. You need to know that you are Pakistani and if you know you r Pakistani then stop trying.
What do you mean dont need to try? You dont expect us to learn the language, culture, dress, religion, domestic skills (for females of course), etc?
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you're American/Canadian/British/European? Maybe on piece of paper you might be, but you really aren't. So stop kidding yourself, stop looking down on Pakistan and Pakistani people. You never bothered to learn Urdu, you proudly proclaim your Muslim-ness yet downplay your Pakistaniyat, maybe you got a gora crew or you roll with the kalas looking down on the FOBs/Freshers...well guess what? Every one sees you South Asian or perhaps Middle Eastern/Central Asian...you fool no one.
Except for the people who think you're Middle Eastern/Central Asian.
Anyhow, as for the topic, I've never known anyone would say that they're Canadian/American/European/Whatever instead of what they're ethnicity is when asked about it.
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You people say we will never be accepted by goras etc
On the other hand people say even the most “pakistani” of Pakistanis born/raised here will never be like an “average” Pakistani.
Get over yourselves, no one is trying to fool anyone. I was born and raised in America by Pakistani parents in a Pakistani family in a home in America. I was educated here, married here, work here and I live here and most likely I’ll be raising my kids here. So why should I act like I never left some pind in Pakistan?
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Your rant/post/whatever anybody else calls it reminded me of this:
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Really?
Completely disagree.
People who were born outside Pakistan cannot relate to stuff in Pakistan. I have spent some years in Pakistan but now even when I go back you can’t keep up with stuff. I find it more easier to talk to a desi guy who’s from England than to someone in Pakistan.
People I have known too who’re not born in Pakistan have ZERO attraction going to the actual place. And even if they did they will never be able to settle there without issues and all of them call England home. I have known countless people who have kids born in England but who go to Pakistan permanently yet run back to England after 2-3 years because their kids cannot just settle in Pakistan. The education system, the environment, the way things are done there, the law system, social living in terms of going out malls cinemas, bla bla bla in a RELAXED environment is COMPLETELY different. Even me, the way I live here, the stuff I do going to football games, going to London, theme parks, cinemas, the day to day topics and the stuff I talk about I can only RELATE that to someone who is from HERE.
‘‘Home’’ is where you live your life, where you find it pleasant to live your life, where you have zero difficulties in living in that environment. Just because you’re brown doesn’t mean you’re a Pakistani (not that I am saying I am not, but I can happily call myself a Brit too) :halo: Identiy comes from places which you relate to, not the colour of your skin.
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I am British Pakistani
There are some things about the pakistani culture, which arent good or bad, which i will never be able to understand or adapt to. There are certain habits/traits i have which are very british which my family in pakistan find funny or weird.
There are certain things about the british culture which i will never understand or be able to adapt to because I come from a very pakistani household.
Sometimes when people say 'typical pakistani traits' etc etc its because they see things which stand out to them...its not meant to hurt or taunt. Just like how my family point things out to me in pakistan when I do or say unsual british things.
For example. In England its very common to hold the door open to people whether they be male or female stranger or friend, once i did this to a man in pakistan and he thought i was hitting on him and started following me....i could say typically pakistani (or typically brown)
Another example....My cousins in pakistan are all very educated they are all doctors and accountants and my uncles and aunties are all university level educated and working however alot of my male cousins in pakistan say ' a womans place is at home, there is no need to work'...typically pakistani?
Of course I will base my stereotypes on what I come across because this is my reality.
If you study the human brain, all brains automatically make stereotypes it is something beyond our control.
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Perfectly said Shak!!!
It's way more than a piece of paper. It's your identity and a life style but more than that it's your home. I'm an American born Muslim, and proud of it not because it gives me some magical authority to look down at people ( which it doesn't) but because it's MY HOME before any other country in the world. I love Pakistan because it's my background and because I will always have family there but I have never felt I FIT IN ANYWHERE IN PAKISTAN because I see people judging me on the BASES OF BEING AN AMERICAN.
PAK-One the only thing I agree with in your post is that people living abroad should not discriminate against any country.
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Perfectly summed up :k:
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What do you mean dont need to try? You dont expect us to learn the language, culture, dress, religion, domestic skills (for females of course), etc?
Khota urdu bolay ga to woh bhi Pakistani ho jaey ga ?
There r non Muslims Pakistanis so i dunno howz that a concern
Dress and culture yes they r important. You learn culutres by watching observing. I guess Media helps you there... Am sure you learn a lot abt culture by being on this forum, and hopefully you rnt here for that purpose only. You can learn culutre by watching movies and dramas but ppl dont watch em to learn abt culture but you end up learning abt the culture.
Domestic skills thats women thing, am not touching it with a 1000 feet pole
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Khota urdu bolay ga to woh bhi Pakistani ho jaey ga ?
so by that logic American Pakistanis speak Urdu, that still doesn't make them Pakistani in your eyes?
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Nope in my view speaking good urdu doesnt really make you a better/more Pakistani.
How come you always take negative things from what i say :(
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:D
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So, so you think you can tell....heaven from helllll, blue skies from pain...
Sorry...misleading thread title.
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I'm Greek.
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I'm Greek.
Salan may namk check karo jao
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If this thread was opened in 1635:
You think you're Indian? You're not Indian! Just because you're living in India, are married to locals, look more Indian than Irani, doesn't make you Indian! Guess what, you are Iranis and Turkish and are migrants to this country that you are living in.
This is not a rant, this is a reality. No doubt being part of the upper ruling class gives you privileges, but I am not about to let you overtake my identity and compare yourself to my Indian-ness. So I'll marry an Indian, teach my children Sanskrit and Rajhistani, and spend much time in India as possible and will not let them associate in any way with this Mughlai culture.
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So, so you think you can tell....heaven from helllll, blue skies from pain...
Sorry...misleading thread title.
I swear I sang that in my head too =|
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Jeebus, getting riled up over nationalities?
Let me reiterate Mr. Edhi’s message to GupShup: http://www.paklinks.com/gs/video-gallery/429637-mr-edhis-message-to-gupshup.html
Pakistani bano ya amreekan bano bus banday de puttar bano. Thankoo.
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Being a Pakistani is a subject of nationality and if someone is not born in Pakistan, has not acquired nationality through immigration, how can they be Pakistani??
Culture and heritage is different than nationality and these are fluid and ever changing. Nothing set in stone about culture/ heritage and one can be a member of mulitiple cultures simultaneously.
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yup