So what sort of a muslim are you? Do Reply! :)

You know....it was so frustrating to be at the brunt of phrases like "who gives you the right", "you can't do this", "you bring misery", "you create intolerance", "why do you think you are superior", "you are leading muslims to hellfire", "people like you...", "this is stupid", "this is showoff"...blah blah.

At one time, I thought of going back and to DELETE MY EVERY SINGLE POST in this thread, and then say "Jao, ayesh karo. Aab khush ho!!!". But then I realized, lets just stick it out. Its not easy to get a point across, especially when the issue at stake is not so easy to understand.

Its not cut and dried. Its not black or white. Its not "I am right and you are wrong". It is to look deep down inside youself, and find out what sort of a person you are. It takes lots of honesty and a bit of intellect to get the point. Those of you who did....good for you sirs/madams. Those who didn't, the first time, please try again. Thanks.

Assalammu Alaikum Pristine and everybody else! How are you all…?

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Pristine, this is a very thought provoking post…

Hmmm… so what shall I say?

We have to be a bit careful here. If a person says that something does not make sense, it may not necessarily mean that they are rebelling against it. In my limited experience it is more likely to be the case that they say what they mean i.e. they really don’t understand what you mean.

It’s very easy for us to think that once we know the truth and are preaching it then anybody who says the topic under discussion doesn’t make sense is rejecting the truth nd therefore doesn’t give a hoot. When faced with a reply like that, many Muslims I know can’t understand it and therefore think that the other person is rebellious.

But that is normally not the case. Just because we think we know the truth doesn’t automatically make you a great teacher. If somebody says they do not understand we have to assume that what we have said really doesn’t make sense because we didn’t say it properly. We have no right to be suspicious of another person. Teaching another person is a skill which tends to get better with practise.

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Trying to look for mistakes in other peoples line of thinking is verging on the border of arrogance, looking for mistakes within ourselves is being humble.

No, I’m not saying that you were being arrogant. On the contrary. Your post is interesting because it asks us to do an introspection of ourselves and to learn to be ultimately humble so we can therefore be a Muslim by definition i.e. voluntarily submit one’s will to the will of our One Lord and Cherisher: Allah (s.w.t.).

Another point you mentioned to Zalim was on the issue of the word “Kafir”. I gave a scholar’s response on he use and abuse of this word in a seperate thread called “The meaning of the word Kafir…”. You might find that interesting.

The point is that an Atheist is not necessarily a Kafir. To call an Atheist Kafir is wrong anyway (see mentioned post). In my opinion, Atheists are to be congratulated for achieving the state that have reached so far.

Normally, when I meet an atheist, the first thing I like to do is to congratulate him and say, " My special congratulations to you", because most of the people who believe in God are doing blind belief - he is a Christian, because his father is a Christian; he is a Hindu, because his father is a Hindu; the majority of the people in the world are blindly following the religion of their fathers. An atheist, on the other hand, even though he may belong to a religious family, uses his intellect to deny the existence of God; what ever concept or qualities of God he may have learnt in his religion may not seem to be logical to him.

My Muslim brothers may question me, “Adil, why are you congratulating an atheist?” The reason that I am congratulating an atheist is because he agrees with the first part of the Shahada i.e. the Islamic Creed, ‘La ilaaha’ - meaning ‘there is no God’. So half my job is already done; now the only part left is ‘il lallah’ i.e. ‘but Allah’ which I shall do Insh’Allah. With others (who are not atheists) I have to first remove from their minds the wrong concept of God they may have and then put the correct concept of one true God.

Does that make sense to you?

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They shoot partypoopers, don’t they?

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Ditto that what I meant all along … YOU are not the one who defines the Muslim (like you did in your first post) .. its Taqwa ! .. and being a Mutaqui is not degreed by a human it’s the will of Allah .. sweet and simple the message of Islam is to spread its message and Allah will be the judge of who fits in where … YOU or I are not qualified or designated for this job … to make my point short .. Your current post nullify’s your ‘classification’ system (although it is in good sprit) that you originally posted


Hey one more thing
These things are hard to explain
For some it seems strange... to swallow
The frontier of our minds
Is the last place we find
But maybe the first place we should go

Decided to reply, then realized, I am now too tired. Those who understand, already got the message. Those who can’t, didn’t.

Good of you RB, to share your thoughts. I am sure we are all even more wiser, after your reading post.

Partypooper
The stuff abt atheist and atheism is fascinating. Are you a full-time preacher?

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Just asking… :slight_smile:

Ta ta!

lol!

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They shoot partypoopers, don’t they?

wry smile Pristine, i think we all understood what you meant, but like Kohal said, either you are a muslim or you arent, and it doesn't seem right to categorize:)

*Abu Hurairah ra said that Rasulullah saw said : "Beware ofsuspicion, for suspicion is the greatest falsehood. Do not try to find fault with each other, do not spy on one another, do not vie with one another, do not envy one another, do not be angry with one another, do not turn away from one another, and be servants of Allah, brothers to one another, as you have been enjoined. A Muslim is the brother of a muslim, he does him no wrong, nor does he let him down, nor does he despise him. Fear of God is here, fear of God is here, and he pointed to his chest. It is evil enough thata Muslim should look down on his brother. For every muslim is sacred to one another : his blood, his honour, and his property. Allah does not look at your bodies or your forms, or your deeds, but He looks at your hearts". *(Bukhari, Muslim)

Found this old thread..kinda fits wht I was looking for..after having the freakiest thought of seeing some guppies in hijabs/big beards by looking at some of their replies.I'll b ehonest and say i belong in group D

A, B. C. D groups, haraaam brother haraaaaaaam ;)

i think we should instead do it in alif, bay. in which case Pristine will be in group "Chay"

I might be D, but I could possibly be E, or possibly an F, whatever that would be.

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Allah knows best...

They shoot partypoopers, don't they?
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Hey! You are back!!! Welcome

I guess, everyone would like to be A.

Very nice post and excellent observations Pristine...But there is one type of Muslim which you failed to identify...The Mod-Muslim...

The Mod_Muslim has all the characteristics of the type C and D yet have a deeper sense of belonging to the kuffar. They are the most easiest to identify...Whenever they talk about Islam, they are the loudest most boisterous of people, yet when the time to something for the sake of Allah (SWT), they balk...Also, they look down at other Muslims with disdain, criticising them, poking fun at them and are most 'profound' in their approach to 'modernizing' Islam...Their biggest weakness is 'standing out' in a crowd...They would be most easily recognizable in any gathering because unlike a Muslim, their lips utter insults, cynicism, sarcasm and they always have to have the last say...Although sarcasm being an admirable trait when used wisely, their sarcasm is outright demeaning...Their belief is that you should present a 'presentable' face to the kuffar by being one of them, and in turn becoming hypocrites to non-Muslims as well as Muslims...They openly drink and when asked by a non-Muslim why they drink, they laugh and say, "Hey, Islam permits drinking as long as you are in your senses"...During gatherings of Muslims they become the pious of the pious and take on a grim and boorish personality, but when they are part of a far away crowd, they are the most proficient rabble-rousers...And if you find this hard to believe, look at the posts in this thread...The mod-Muslim's posts will be dripping with contempt, rudeness and rubbish...

As for what kind of a Muslim am I? Well, I don't want to belittle myself by giving myself a low recognisance or pride myself on a high one...So I'll leave that for Allah (SWT) to decide...

Probably C

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Hey! You are back!!! Welcome

I guess, everyone would like to be A.
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I don't think Partypooper is back, also Pristine is long gone. This is very old thread, brought back to life.

Somewhere between B and C. Ohhh, but I am soooooo gunahgaar....