So what exactly was Mirza?

[fatehahmad]

Mr. Perplexing,

While you are busy with your school and work, also pray in front of Allah to give you the eyes to see the truth, the ears to see it and the heart to accept it.

May Allah give Hidayat to you and all of us.

[Perplexing]

I always do. I have said that in one of my posts addressed to Destino. Every night, matter a fact. But according to Paga| |nsan this was "Crap about Hidayah...". Listen there is one thing you guys are failing to understand. If you knew me as a person I am sure you would think different. I have started reading about Ahmadiyat because of a friend. Actually my best friend. The only way to eradicate my objections was to have a discussion, which i never intended to be insulting but I am sure at times it started drifting that way. But still it was nice. I am not afraid to accept something that I think is right. I am not afraid to follow something that I think is right does'nt matter what people think about it. This is one thing different between me and your regular opponents. If I see something is right and if I feel it touches my heart then I will accept it. So far I have'nt, there are things that I have changed my opinion on.

[Paaga_nsaan]

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I agree that I'm often quite mean to you, but I insist that its you who came up with very infuriating stuff, and then PMed me with words to the effect of Bahir a ke mil tujay dekh loon ga, you know the street slang, it obviously incited me to use similar comments on you and derive egoistic pleasures out of it.

The reviews on your personality that you saw and got angry over, were purposely meant and crafted by me to make you angry. I did not mean any of them though, I only said them for fun, and they have nothing to do with you not making a point. And I'm telling you that now because aap ne to baat ko dil pay hee le liya hai. Seriously they were meant to make you angry, but not the way you have taken them.

I understand about your school & work and I know no sane person could carry this on forever.

God bless you.

[system]

*Originally posted by smooth_guy: *

Look who is talking

Check out Promissed Messiah’s own words about Prophet Jesus :as:…

**Christ used to drink. He was a prodigal
alcoholic. He remembered God only near his death. His maternal and paternal grandmothers were all prostitutes and adulteresses. (Roohani Khazain 11/291, 10/297, 19/71, 10/296) **

Can you deny the above statement ???

Now dear, in my post where did I use any bad word for MGA??? Can you tell me so I will correct myself. On the other hand you are quoting a hadith which best suites MGA himself. Read HASHISH FROM QADIAN

** And here is the statements from your own books and Mirza’s remarks on Cholera. Nothing from anyone else but your own prophet.
What can I do now?

Bashir Ahmad, the son of Mirza Ghulam, wrote in his biography:

“My mother informed me that ‘the first attack of looseness of bowels upon the Promised Messiah occurred when he was at his dining room table. Later, I started pressing his legs and he lay in comfort and slept and soon I too slept. After a short while, he again felt the call of nature and he used the bathroom a couple of times without awakening me, After this he felt very weak; he shook me up and laid down on my bed. I recommenced pressing. In a few minutes he told me to go to bed but I refused and continued to press. Once again he had an urge and, being too weak to go to the lavatory, I made arrangement for him close to the bed. He sat down and relieved himself. Next, he laid himself back on my bed and I started pressing again. His weakness grew intense; he had another motion, accompanied this time by vomiting. This paralyzed him so much that when trying to lay back on the bed, he fell on his back and hit his head on the bed post. His condition alarmed me…’.”
(Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 1, P. 11-12; Sirat-ul-Mehdi, P.109)
Mirza Ghulam’s father in law, Mir Nasir Nawab, recorded in his autobiography:

“The night his holiness fell ill, I was sleeping in my room. When his illness grew severe, they woke me up. I went over to his holiness and found him in great pain. He addressed me saying: ‘I have been stricken with cholera.’ After this, he did not utter a single intelligible and coherent word till he died on Monday, after ten O’clock in the morning.”
(Hayat-i-Nasir, P. 14)
Mirza Ghulam used to say that cholera or plague is the sign of Allah(SWT)'s wrath on mankind for their wrong doing! It is fitting that his last words were the admission that he had been stricken with the disease he was so fearful of. The witnesses present at his bed side recorded:

“Huzoor (Mirza Ghulam) could not talk two hours before death. Dr. Mirza Yaqoob Baig and Dr. Syed Mohammad Hussei Shah were the attending physicians. Huzoor asked for paper and wrote on it: ‘I have too much dryness. I can’t talk.’ and some other words which could not be read.”
(Al-Fazl, Vol. 25, No. 274, November 24, 1937)
“As his condition became precarious, we stayed by him and continued treatment, but his pulse stopped by 10:15 A.M., on the 26th May, 1908 he breathed his last.”
(Al-Hakam, Mary 28, 1908) **

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Im reading this as a neutral party, but I have to say, you keep repeating the same accusations over and over, and the Ahmedi members keep replying and showing that what you say is false… So why do you keep sticking to the same old used lines? Is that all you have to denounce their faith? You keep bringing the discussion back to how thier founder died in accoradance with what you have been told, or dare I say, what you think should have happened, regardless of what they keep telling you… So this discussion goes nowhere… What is the point of bringing up dead topics?
BTW, where is the moderator, isnt it his or her job to keep the discussion moving along?

[FrozenFire]

Re: So what exactly was Mirza?

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[Sadiyah]

Re: So what exactly was Mirza?

We've had plenty of debates over it. No need to start it all over again.