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hmmm ... did doctor said that BB died of bullet wounds? Bhai, which media you are using to get your news? I am seeing GEO :)
No brother! i think what you are seeing is the lies of the interior ministry at its worst...:) Only if you could hear as well....but then again....well never mind. Let us not fight, this is time for unity.
Re: BB's death was not caused by bullets or bomb fragments
PPP saying the press conference is to cover up the real culprit and divert attention!
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LockJaw, Why do you differ between "al qaida" and agencies....I have never understood. Who killed Daniel Pearl? Taliban? Maybe If you accept the answer on this very riddle you might solve the whole puzzle.
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Honestly, I don't remember the name of that doc who came on cnn, I would have referred my initial with with his name if I had remembered it.
Well Lusi bhai, it's not that I disbelieve you, but so far no one has been able to name any hospital doctor who say she was actually shot. Yes, both sides agree there were shots fired, and it seems that people seem to have concluded she was actually shot, which may not have been the case. It's just like first some said there was no security people in the vicinity, and now say that a police car was close by. Rumours (or bias) should not cloud facts.
Now the only one's who can testify to the fact of bullet wounds are the doctors who operated on her, the people who gave her body the final ghusl or actually viewed her body. I genuinely want to hear their testimonies, not silly internet rumours or politicised statements from either side. Pointing fingers at each other really does the nation as a whole no good.
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loool Reza...maybe Lusi's not a bhai?!....
I tend to stick to the names of ppl that lack the gender symbol unless it's apparent.
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LockJaw, Why do you differ between "al qaida" and agencies....I have never understood. Who killed Daniel Pearl? Taliban? Maybe If you accept the answer on this very riddle you might solve the whole puzzle.
as I suspected, the subtext of the discussion has always been the relevant part of it, the back and forth over which doctor said what, what footage is how etc etc is merely pointless dancing around the respective views you started off with. Nothing to do with how she died, thats just a dance that will prove absolutely nothing.
Rahi baat differentiation ki, I dont. I oppose both of them, IF any agencies support Taleban, they should go exactly the route of the taleban, the gallows. They're traitors. This is exactly where I and hopefully you will start to diverge from some singing the same tune as you. Some will say the Al-Qaida/assorted gun-toting-bearded-folk-imposing-shariah-law are merely 'misguided' and any armed action against them is the work of (possibly shia) agencies..
we see the world we want to see dont we.
Re: BB’s death was not caused by bullets or bomb fragments
Its impossible for me to believe the bull crap given by the Brig Gen. Javed Iqbal. Thats just ridiculous. Dr. Mussaqid Khan, who treated Ms. Benazir didn’t mention anything about a head injury. The doc and Brig. statements are going in total different ways. Also, I’m wondering what was the need to bring the X-rays of her head in the press conference to show that she wasn’t shot in the head? Everyone knows that she was shot in her shoulder and the back of her neck which caused damage to her spinal cord. Why would you bring the X-rays of her head? :S
Here are the videos if anyone hasn’t seen.
The doctor who treated Benazir Bhutto talks about her condition when she arrived at the hospital:
Brig Gen. Javed Iqbal talks about the cause of her death:
Re: Video of Benazir Shot
Our interior minister during the time of the previous attack in October blamed BB for staging the whole thing herself, so that is how credible these people are.
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^well then we can claim this all to be an accident and let Mehsood rest in peace (literally). Why are we bothered about any "death" of a national figure praised by many?
First, answer the question of mine in previous post.
Secondly do make me understand If you do consider agency the mother of Taliban.
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reza and all the mush brigagde denying the bullets entering her body should pay more attention to their own interior ministry’s statement from yesterday:
ISLAMABAD, Pakistan (CNN) – Benazir Bhutto died from a fractured skull caused by hitting her head on part of her car’s sunroof as a bomb ripped through a crowd of her supporters, a spokesman for Pakistan’s Interior Ministry said Friday.
“When she was thrown by the force of the shockwave of the explosion, unfortunately one of the levers of the sunroof hit her,” said spokesman Brigadier Javed Iqbal Cheema.
The explanation is the latest from the Interior Ministry.** It initially said Bhutto was killed by shots fired by the bomber, and then, via the state-run Associated Press of Pakistan, it said the cause of death was a shrapnel injury.**But **Farzana Raja of Bhutto’s Pakistan People’s Party told CNN the government’s explanation is “a pack of lies,” and she offered another explanation. “It was a sniper shooting,” she told CNN. Raja also accused the government of a “total security lapse.”**At a news conference, Cheema showed images of Bhutto in a car, standing up through an open sunroof, looking out at the crowd as she was about to be driven away.
When the gunshots rang out and the explosion occurred, Bhutto “fell down or perhaps ducked” and apparently hit her head on a lever, Cheema said, adding that the lever was stained with blood.The blast killed at least 28 more people and at least 100 were wounded.
The Interior Ministry also revealed Friday that it had proof showing that al Qaeda was behind Bhutto’s assassination.
Cheema said the government had an intelligence intercept in which an al Qaeda militant “congratulated his people for carrying out this cowardly act.”
However, that claim has not appeared on radical Islamist Web sites that regularly post such messages from al Qaeda and other militant groups.
The Interior Ministry told Pakistan’s GEO-TV that the suicide bomber belonged to Lashkar-e-Jhangvi – an al Qaeda-linked Sunni Muslim militant group that the government has blamed for hundreds of killings.
U.S. officials believe that a Taliban leader, Baitullah Mahsud, may be the person behind the assassination.
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^well then we can claim this all to be an accident and let Mehsood rest in peace (literally). Why are we bothered about any "death" of a national figure praised by many? First, answer the question of mine in previous post. Secondly do make me understand If you do consider agency the mother of Taliban.
not really sure what you mean yar.
i consider agencies to be the mother of taleban. i dont know if they still are in cahoots or if theres rogue elements that are in cahoots but certainly something about pak's intelligence agencies is untrustworthy.
i'd rather call for the military to actively suppress these ****wits and hold them accountable when they fail. if the intelligence agencies keep screwing up the counter-terrorism efforts, causing shuffles in the command chain, then sooner or later someone will want to keep his job and the rogue elements will be addressed.
that, or you could keep making unprovable assertions, he-said she-said type arguments, and innuendo to focus on an alleged criminal (the agencies) while the braggart criminals go around CLAIMING these attacks as their own.
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According to Dr. Musadaq, the cardio pulmonary arrest occurs when when something with ALOT OF SPEED hits the body
Re: Video of Benazir Shot
CNN has the video of the shooting. The shooter was on the ground and seem to have tried to make use of the opportunity when Benazir was stnaidng through the sunroof, but despite being so close, the shots missed her as he was on the ground and Benazir was at a higher level and the angle was not easily manageable. He then immediately blew himself up.
Seems credible that she got killed by getting her head banged against the roof lever. Whether shots missed her (which they did) or not, is immaterial, as they are both moments in the same attack.
So it is clear that she died in this attack, staged by that suicide bomber. The only question remains is who that bomber was linked to. which many of us think AQ and Taleban, and the Taleban supporters think it was the Govt. I doubt anything can convince them to the contrary anyway, since they also believe that people holed up in Lal Masjid were throwing rose petals out on the soldiers.
** By the way: It is also clear from the video that no amount of Security could have protected Bhutto as her organizers were dumb enough to let the crowd gather around her vehicle 80's and 90's style. The only way to protect her was for the organizers to keep the crowd away, and Benazir to stay inside the vehicle. I think we can give the Govt. a break in this case.**
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lol so if I think the Govt was behind it, Im a taliban supporter? 
what a load of Bull! Also your theory about the gunman missing doesnt make sense, unless you were there watching the whole thing as en eye witness, who by the way said that the bullet hit her.
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so in ur views...anyone raising doubts about Govt is with the taleban? Just extreme views.....that makes you an extremist...and u know what ppl say about them right?
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LockJaw, Spock just stated that Raja even comes up with the theory of a sniper and who knows maybe there where two one with a pistol and second one with a AK to distract ppl from the actual incident. But yea these are now theories without a prove.
I feel sorry for my nation, I feel sorry for what we had achieved in some years. We are no where now and I have lost all hope for our country.
I will never believe this to be an head injury nor will you ever believe this to be the work of the agencies. We will end up having a second Kennedy assassination, with even more cover up then at times of JFK.
Re: BB's death was not caused by bullets or bomb fragments
According to Dr. Musadaq, the cardio pulmonary arrest occurs when when something with ALOT OF SPEED hits the body
EXACTLYYYYY!!
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Atleast the Kennedys got an investigation....we're being told to accept it was the evil lever that did it and forget about it
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It reminds me when we accused the Govt/MQM of the May carnage, we were also termed Taliban supporters, though there was no way the Taliban was involved in that carnage, not even a hint