So how exactly was Benazir Bhutto killed!? (MERGED)

[Spock]

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@Sir_Dig_A_Lot

Yep. A Hidden Taleban supporter.

So now the entire PPP leadership and a good portion of the nation who hates Musharraf are also the Taliban

[Sir_Dig_A_Lot]

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what I am trying to highlight is that it is immaterial whether she died of gunshot wounds of skull fracture. There was a suicide attack by the gunman also. We know he attacked Benazir. God knows which one of his attempts were successful and caused her death. But they were all moments in the same attack. As simple as that.

I am calling you a Taleban supporter because you are trying to pin it on the Govt which deflects the attention and blame from likely attackers: Taleban and AQ

[Monk]

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@Spock

It reminds me when we accused the Govt/MQM of the May carnage, we were also termed Taliban supporters, though there was no way the Taliban was involved in that carnage, not even a hint

i remember that.

[teggy]

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@Spock

It reminds me when we accused the Govt/MQM of the May carnage, we were also termed Taliban supporters, though there was no way the Taliban was involved in that carnage, not even a hint

Yea seriously…i’m amazed to the point that i just laugh at some justifications i hear of the Govt’s actions or Misaction for that matter

and this fella says ‘we can give the govt. a break on this one’ say whaaaaaaattt!!!..

[teggy]

Re: Video of Benazir Shot

what I am trying to highlight is that it is immaterial whether she died of gunshot wounds of skull fracture. There was a suicide attack by the gunman also. We know he attacked Benazir. God knows which one of his attempts were successful and caused her death. But they were all moments in the same attack. As simple as that.

I am calling you a Taleban supporter because you are trying to pin it on the Govt which deflects the attention and blame from likely attackers: Taleban and AQ

or vise versa....

[LockJaw]

Re: BB's death was not caused by bullets or bomb fragments

Ali_R do you feel baitullah mashud exists? or is he a made up figure?

was lal masjid a figment of our collective imaginations? or are there actually corporeal, physical, militiarized molvies intent on imposing a particular form of Islam?

if you and i cant agree that certain religiously motivated terrorists exist and cause violence and bombings in Pakistan aside from the agencies aspect, then yes we can never agree on anything.

assuming we can begin with this shared basis, what then becomes the crux of this whole issue? whether or not agencies are using the militants for their own reasons, the fact that these militants exist and have suicide bombed (even if Benazir was shot by agencies, a completely, COMPLETELY BASELESS accusation), the criminal militants are atleast guilty of being a very convincing scapegoat thats done much else. So get them, focus on them, call to kill those idiots, and if you do that right then you take away the agencies aspect in the process.

[Sir_Dig_A_Lot]

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You may not be rooting for Taleban, but by deflecting blame away from them, and pinning it on the govt. instead, you are complicit in the creating the atmosphere that protects them. Hence a Taleban supporter, even if you don't intend to be

[Spock]

Re: Video of Benazir Shot

what I am trying to highlight is that it is immaterial whether she died of gunshot wounds of skull fracture. There was a suicide attack by the gunman also. We know he attacked Benazir. God knows which one of his attempts were successful and caused her death. But they were all moments in the same attack. As simple as that.

I am calling you a Taleban supporter because you are trying to pin it on the Govt which deflects the attention and blame from likely attackers: Taleban and AQ

I am not blind, and I dont buy the load of bull the Govt is coming up with. Remember after the May carnage they came up with BS saying how it was only the MQM party members that were killed? The Govt isnt as innocent and shareef as you think, they wouldnt hesitate to take out their own people, and they have done so in the past.

[Sir_Dig_A_Lot]

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or vise versa....

Except Taleban and AQ have a proven record of suicide attacks and were sworn enemy of Benazir. I just go by history and 'announced plans' of wanting to kill Benazir.

Politicians don't kill one another.

Spock: Musharraf had already achieved what he wanted: A Powerful Presidency. Seeing Benazir as his PM was his and US' plan. Killing her doesn't him and U.S. YOu know that too

[zara_17]

Re: BB’s death was not caused by bullets or bomb fragments

ok everyone here you go

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[Reza_Pahlavi]

Re: BB’s death was not caused by bullets or bomb fragments

@ghazal_kisi_ke

Here are the videos if anyone hasn’t seen.

The doctor who treated Benazir Bhutto talks about her condition when she arrived at the hospital:
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/world/2007/12/28/sot.bhutto.doctor.ap

Brig Gen. Javed Iqbal talks about the cause of her death:
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/world/2007/12/28/sot.bhutto.doctor.ap

The doctor mentions nothing about her being hit by bullets. There you are. As I said it was just an assumption made by people, and intially believed, because a gunman was firing.

[teggy]

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You may not be rooting for Taleban, but by deflecting blame away from them, and pinning it on the govt. instead, you are complicit in the creating the atmosphere that protects them. Hence a Taleban supporter, even if you don't intend to be

And by believing what you are being told, whether truth or not, you are proving to be no patriot either because patriots don't blindly buy stories, they use logic. And the logic says one cannot die from hitting a lever....

[chintu_bhopali]

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is it possible to hit one's head hard enough while diving down, that brain matter exudes from the wound?

I had an accident and hit my head to my bike . My skull was cracked(its still cracked..cannot be fixed) but I still survived.

[Monk]

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Except Taleban and AQ have a proven record of suicide attacks and were sworn enemy of Benazir.

dude Anwar qureshi is very much alive and kickin..

[teggy]

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Except Taleban and AQ have a proven record of suicide attacks and were sworn enemy of Benazir.

** Politicians don't kill one another**.

Are you kidding me?!....loool now u've just lost ur grasp on reality. I shall say no more in response to you. Have a cold glass of water my friend.

[teggy]

Re: BB’s death was not caused by bullets or bomb fragments

@chintu_bhopali

I had an accident and hit my head to my bike . My skull was cracked(its still cracked..cannot be fixed) but I still survived.

That’s because your lever was not the kind she got hit with

[ghazal_kisi_ke]

Re: Video of Benazir Shot

The vid is available on CNN but somehow it won’t give me the exact address. Click on the link below. IT will take you to the CNN video page. in the list of videos on the right click on “Three shots, then blast”

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[Sir_Dig_A_Lot]

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And by believing what you are being told, whether truth or not, you are proving to be no patriot either because patriots don't blindly buy stories, they use logic. And the logic says one cannot die from hitting a lever....

'RIGHT'!

I am not interested in 'logically' proving to you that getting your head banged against the lever can kill a person. A nail itself doesn't kill a person either, but when propelled in an explosion, it does. Shock waves are strong enough to blow apart vehicles.

But pay attention, it is immaterial whether she died of a gunshot wound of the sunroof lever. Ther ewas a suicide attack by a person who first tried to shoot her too. There is no cover up there.

[Sir_Dig_A_Lot]

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Teggy: we have a difference of opinions. I hope we agree someday. Thank you.

[smooth_guy]

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Well, you could have said that you believe 'Big foot' was/is involved in all what is happening in Pakistan and you do not trust anyone. It is your right and no one can say anything but one can just ponder on your thoughts with a bit of smile :).

But then, I have to say that many people do have such thinking that even when a person gets flu or sneeze, these people would think that government hand must be behind that too. You tell them that it is not possible, but they would say that either USA is behind that sneeze or must be army or Musharraf. I cannot comment on their thoughts and mind set.

As for I am concerned, I can see what is happening and have to judge that and trust that. If BB did not trusted the government she should not have gone to Pakistan and if anyone do not trust government in anything, however obvious, than they should leave country.

This is the failure of Musharraf as a ruler. Whether he did or he failed to provide protection to a main political party leader. It shows how ordinary Pakistanis are insecure. The death toll of last year's Baghdad half of this years casualities in Pakistan. Now who would you blame for this? Musharraf humiliated himself by imposing emergency against his own regime, then ended that comedy after achieving God knows what. Then five blasts since emergency lifted, back to square one once again. Sherpao attacked, ex-ministers boasting their chest on achievements during emergency???? Now main party leader got killed with very ill secuirty and equipments in day light in the bloody home of millitary that is suppose to be most secure.