Chthonic jee, you are entitled to your opinion and if you think Naveed Rana is the best player in the world then fine but dont try to run down Razzaq just because of your preference for Naveed. I would love to see Pakistan produce 3 or 4 genuine all rounders so that there can be good competition amongst them for team places. I am sure that if Naveed Rana keeps on developing along the same lines then at some stage he will challenge Razzaq for his place. It is good and healthy for Pakistan's cricket. Let both of them prosper. :)
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*Originally posted by rizwanfareed: *
What do you mean razzaq is in the dumps?
The guy played excellently in this sharjah cup, his batting was superb to say the least, What do you mean he is still going through a bad patch?
The guy is class, like ehsan said.
even if you do regard him as a pinch hitter, well he is better than afridi, and other pinch hitters who have come and gone from the pakistan team, he can bat at any position, and is down to earth and willing to listen and learn, I say we havent got enough razzaqs in the team.
The same people will be kissing his a$$ in a short while even though he is still playing good right now.
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look at his bowling. Too bad you're basing your opinion on just one match against Zimbabwe.
before sharjah there was the World Cup..and he didnt play too well in that. I am not sure if he played too well even before that.
And I never mentioned his pinch hitting abilities. To me a good all rounder right now is Andy Bichel. he's played so well in the WC. I havent looked at either of these guys statistics, but it should interesting to see.
He's an ok all rounder. Nothing too great. certainly not a class act in my books.
and i sure as heck won't be kissing any ass. you can be sure of that. I know me..you don't.
Bottom line: i am still rooting for Rana. and unless he proves to be an average player..I'll continue to do so.
Abdul Razzaq is still selected in the team as a bowler who can bat well. And in that role he has not given a good peroformance for quite some time now. Evidence of that is in this thread itself, where everyone is talking about his quickfire 76 and a few other batting exploits rather than any recent bowling performances.
I'd rather pick a bowler averaging 3-42 and scoring 12-15 odd runs, than have one averaging 1-48 and scoring a rapid 40 odd once in 5 games or so.
When he's in form, he's very exciting to watch, but on off days he looks pretty odrinary and his negative body language during such form droughts is a known in Pakistan cricket.
But to top that, he is a class act, and I hope he returns to his consistent days soon. Like ehsan said, Naved ul-Hasan's performances will only create a healthy rivalry for the spot and is a plus for the team's options.
agreed :k: and wel said :k:
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When he's in form, he's very exciting to watch, but on off days he looks pretty odrinary and his negative body language during such form droughts is a known in Pakistan cricket.
But to top that, he is a class act, and I hope he returns to his consistent days soon. Like ehsan said, Naved ul-Hasan's performances will only create a healthy rivalry for the spot and is a plus for the team's options.
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he's been out of form for sometime now..damn it. Don't you guys remember it was only on Rashid's insistence that he was included in the Sharjah squad in the first place? Otherwise, on the basis of his performance alone the headlines would have read 9 Pakistani players from WC squad axed..not 8.
To me class act =Andy Bichel
And I said this before ehson:
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Compeition will only improve Razzaq mind you. needless pampering won't.
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if you're arguing with me and I make a point..give me the credit for it..not someone who repeats it.
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*Originally posted by Diablo Kazama: *
Abdul Razzaq is still selected in the team as a bowler who can bat well. And in that role he has not given a good peroformance for quite some time now. Evidence of that is in this thread itself, where everyone is talking about his quickfire 76 and a few other batting exploits rather than any recent bowling performances.
I'd rather pick a bowler averaging 3-42 and scoring 12-15 odd runs, than have one averaging 1-48 and scoring a rapid 40 odd once in 5 games or so.
When he's in form, he's very exciting to watch, but on off days he looks pretty odrinary and his negative body language during such form droughts is a known in Pakistan cricket.
But to top that, he is a class act, and I hope he returns to his consistent days soon. Like ehsan said, Naved ul-Hasan's performances will only create a healthy rivalry for the spot and is a plus for the team's options.
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spot on, man. agree withe every word.
Razzaq came as a bowling allrounder. His bowling was top notch wen he started out. I've seen him bowl in the Under 19 (or maybe it was 17) WC. He bowled a guy three times, all of them inswinging yorkers. Two of them were no-balls. He was generating good pace then.
Now, he's reduced to a batsman who can be a decent containing bowler. And this certainly does not augur well for Pakistan having disposed of a lot of firepower in the form of Wasim, Waqar and Shoaib. We need Razzaq to start working on his bowling, up his pace and get those inswinging yorkers back out. He looked absolutely listless in the World Cup.
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a lot of guys did amazingly well in the '99 world cup because the team was clicking and winning matches as a whole.
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Well using this formula same could be said regarding Andy Bichel, who you are praising too much. I can say he is doing well because his team is clicking and winning matches as a whole. The only problem with that is that Razzaq's ODI record is better then that of Bichel's, be it bat or ball.
Bichel's ODI batting average is 21.68 compared to Razzaq's 28.13. Bichel's bowling average is 27.91 compared to Razzaq's 26.48.
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*Originally posted by Diablo Kazama : *
Abdul Razzaq is still selected in the team as a bowler who can bat well. And in that role he has not given a good peroformance for quite some time now. Evidence of that is in this thread itself, where everyone is talking about his quickfire 76 and a few other batting exploits rather than any recent bowling performances.
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Razzaq was not selected in this tournament as a specialist bowler who can bat. He was selected as an all rounder who could do a little bit of both. It is very evident the way Rashid used him. 4 bowlers were used to complete 40 overs and Razzaq and Hafeez shared the remaining 10. If someone was going for a few more runs thaen captain cared to give then Hafeez and/or Razzaq bowled more then 6 overs. I actually agree with the captains theory here. Razzaq and Hafeez should concentrate on their batting. What we need are batsmen who can bowl if needed not bowlers who can bat if needed. Razzaq plays with a straight bat, shown his guts by being able to play on any position and he can be a very useful bowler too.
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Razzaq is much better slogger than Afridi, Sami or Shoaib
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Razzaq is not a slogger, he's a hitter. He has technique and can be said to be a regular batsman.
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I haven't seen him performing real well for a long time now.
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In the 1st game @ sharjah, he did get a quickfire 70 odd.
Its gd to see allrounders like Mohd. Hafeez, Shoaib Malik, Naved and others come thru. Surely this brings alot of competition which will make ev.one better. If these new guyz keep playing like this, afridi will surely be a forgotten case. Thank God for that!
I wouldn't go as far as saying Razzaq * is * a class act, but he certainly is a good all-rounder. Ever since he has come back from his injury, I must say I have been very dissapointed with his bowling effort. His batting has been ok, and the quickfirte 76 in the first game of the Sharjah cup proves that. I think he really needs to get his bowling back to where it was, his bowling seems too ordinary at the moment.
his bowling used to be good....hasnt been great lately.....i heard theres some good allrounder playin domestic...majid khans son....i heard hes really good.....they should give him a chance
razzaq should be given a little more time.....he used to swing the ball a great deal.....hope he can get all that back!
As far as Rana Naveed ul Hasan goes, he looks very ordinary. He can bowl good yokers every now and then and thats possibly be it about his bowling. His batting is very weak, I saw it in the last match against Kenya.
I can feel that Razaq is as great player as " Imran Khan " , he is very coolminded, and Yes Pakistani Future Cap. too.
If he is given confidense, he can show much more better than this.
look at records and then say all this abt him :)
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Well using this formula same could be said regarding Andy Bichel, who you are praising too much. I can say he is doing well because his team is clicking and winning matches as a whole. The only problem with that is that Razzaq's ODI record is better then that of Bichel's, be it bat or ball.
Bichel's ODI batting average is 21.68 compared to Razzaq's 28.13. Bichel's bowling average is 27.91 compared to Razzaq's 26.48.
Razzaq was not selected in this tournament as a specialist bowler who can bat. He was selected as an all rounder who could do a little bit of both. It is very evident the way Rashid used him. 4 bowlers were used to complete 40 overs and Razzaq and Hafeez shared the remaining 10. If someone was going for a few more runs thaen captain cared to give then Hafeez and/or Razzaq bowled more then 6 overs. I actually agree with the captains theory here. Razzaq and Hafeez should concentrate on their batting. What we need are batsmen who can bowl if needed not bowlers who can bat if needed. Razzaq plays with a straight bat, shown his guts by being able to play on any position and he can be a very useful bowler too.
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Then again the team is clicking now, and most of the guys who couldnt find their form in the WC, and were retained, did well in Sharjah. Razzaq played a match winning innings of 76, no doubt, but what has he done with the ball? Not to mention the opponents were rather weak in the tourney..yet Razzaq didnt do much with the ball.
b/w, career avg's tell you only so much. lets have a look at his recent performances:
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and compare them with his earlier performances:
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Now, if you want to retain him for his career average, then by all means Wasim and Waqar deserve a place in the team more than even the captain himself.
agreed.. :k:..
Well Said:jhanda:…
Like I said many times, in one day cricket, wickets isn't the only concern. What about the economy rate during the Sharjah Cup, he was very good. If you can bowl 10 overs and give 38 runs for no wicket, that is very good for a captain.
I rather have Razzaq bowling 10-38-0 rather than having some other bowler having 10-52-2 anyday.
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Now, if you want to retain him for his career average, then by all means Wasim and Waqar deserve a place in the team more than even the captain himself.
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This is the REBUILDING process. Razzaq is only 24 years of age. He has a lot of cricketing years left in him. He could easily play for another 10-12 years. Wasim and Waqar are at the twilight of their careers. They were not primarily discarded on the basis of their performance. Wasim actaully bowled well in the world cup. But now its time to bring some young blood in the side. That was the sole reason Saeed Anwar was not selected. Anwar seemed to be getting his elegant touch back in the last couple of matches, yet he was dropped. Why??? cause he is not young anymore. His running between the wickets suck and he cant keep up with the youngsters.
Razzaq is having lean patch and hopefully he will bounce back. Wasim, Waqar, Saeed might make a comeback in the side, but I think they will have to work super hard for that, specially Saeed Anwar, who despite being a fine batsmen is very slow between the wickets. The same reason might cause Inzi his remaining career. If you play profesional cricket, then you need to work on all aspects of the game. Inzi will need to work very hard to keep up with the youngsters or else his position in the side will come under pressure too.
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*Originally posted by Eastern Thoughts: *
I can feel that Razaq is as great player as " Imran Khan " , he is very coolminded, and Yes Pakistani Future Cap. too.
If he is given confidense, he can show much more better than this.
look at records and then say all this abt him :)
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Well I like Razzler too but I wouldnt go that far. Its too early to compare Razzaq to the great Imran Khan. Yes he has a lot of potential, but he will have to utilize all of it to get even close to being compared to Imran Khan.
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The World Cup Review Committee report seems to agree with me on Razzaq's performance.
And thats about the only part I find credible in that 32 page report.
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The world cup review committe report is all crap. Its just an effort to take the blame away from Tauqir Zia and PCB and put it somewhere else.
i know it is a “REBUILDING” process. But if Razzaq has a lot of cricket left in him, then so does Azhar mahmood. Razzaq hasnt performed so well recently, why not bring in Azhar? And as far as i remember, Azhar is a very good fielder in the slip region to boot. Now I am not saying he’s the best all rounder, but as we all agree Razzaq is going through a lean patch hence its only reasonable to give someone else a place in the team and prove himself.
You think wasem bowled well? The team coach doesnt think so. javed has said this on air that Waseem only took 3 wickets. Rest of his wickets were against such lame opposition that a player from domestic level could have gotten those. He said people expect big things from big players in big matches. So, he said, for a common man watching cricket, he performed well. But to me his performance was only average:
Against Australia: 3/64
Against Namibia: 5/28
Against England: 1/37
Against Netherlands : 3/24
Against India: 0/48
Anyway, getting back on topic, Razzaq has been very unimpressive with the ball for long now and statistics prove that point. I think someone else should be given a chance..and its only a pleasent co-incident that he’s going off to play county. it will allow some new all-rounders a chance to prove their mettle. All in all I am very glad he’s going off to play for county.:k: