We know that Islamically a guy and a girl are still not mahram to each other after engagement, until nikaah. So going out on dates wouldn’t be permissible but if people choose to do so, fair enough.
But what about SMS and online relationships with fiancé? What’s the verdict on that? Permissible unless it leads to fitnah? Would you choose to hang out with your fiancé /fiancée after engagement?
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very blurry line...
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Ofcourse not. Thru sms you are not meeting personally but otherwise literally talking about everything and anything that you probably are not allowed to.
As for your last question, NO!. Not only because it's not allowed in Islam but honestly more so because i believe it complicates your future relationship. In the engagement period, most couples are in that rose tinted state of mind where they may promise or say things which they may not be able to live up to after that period finishes off. So i wouldnt want that to happen with me. One should never say never because you don't know what circumstances you end up with and its not your choice alone as what if your fiance wants to be in touch? you may not have the strength to resist it and what not. But so far, i think i wouldnt want a very close relationship before marriage.
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Who is it Barbie? Mubarakan!
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Some scholars do allow phone contact if the wali gives permission and they only stick to 'normal'/serious topics so I would have thought that would also mean some are also ok with messenger and so on providing the rules are stuck to (there are often additional requirements eg. the parent must be able to see what's going on and so on.. On the flip side of the coin obviously there are also those who say this sort of stuff is haram full stop)..
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As for your last question, NO!. Not only because it's not allowed in Islam but honestly more so because i believe it complicates your future relationship. In the engagement period, most couples are in that rose tinted state of mind where they may promise or say things which they may not be able to live up to after that period finishes off. So i wouldnt want that to happen with me. One should never say never because you don't know what circumstances you end up with and its not your choice alone as what if your fiance wants to be in touch? you may not have the strength to resist it and what not. But so far, i think i wouldnt want a very close relationship before marriage.
True. But if you wanna do it on the first night this has to be done. :D
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So its haram, eh?
There goes my chance of any fiance' interaction goes into a coma
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amazing that talking to a perfect stranger of opposite sex on GS about every private topic is ok but bechara mangetar should be treated as bhai till nikah 
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i believe it complicates your future relationship. In the engagement period, most couples are in that rose tinted state of mind where they may promise or say things which they may not be able to live up to after that period finishes off.
This is true......regardless of religious permissibility....... getting too attached/dovey/mushy leads to a LOT of problems.........the cons outweigh the pros...
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Word
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Word
Thats your job :D
runs away
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TLK bhai's answer is what I was looking for. Does the same apply for dating too then? Since we hang around na-mehrams all day anyway?
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TLK bhai's answer is what I was looking for. Does the same apply for dating too then? Since we hang around na-mehrams all day anyway?
dating is different than having a na-mehram office co worker or professor at college. Your intention is not to have any romantic involvement with them when you are at your office or college. Date is an event that has romantic undertone or purpose of achieving that undertone. They niyat determines the haram/halal of amal.
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But then the same applies for texting too. Your relationship with your fiancé / fiancée is naturally a romantic one. I guess your last sentence summed it up well.
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If it helps two people getting to know each other better and find out stuff about each other better and whether the other person is worth it or not then there is nothing wrong with it
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But then the same applies for texting too. Your relationship with your fiancé / fiancée is naturally a romantic one. I guess your last sentence summed it up well.
Niyat determines the amal when amal itself is not objectionable. Yes when we are talking about details of suhaag raat and the prose and cons of breast implants on GS, we do not have any romantic intentions with any of the poster of opposite sex, but the guftugoo itself is objectionable.
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If it helps two people getting to know each other better and find out stuff about each other better and whether the other person is worth it or not
See...the thing is ...in texting/phone relationship you can sound like anyone.......and the 'dovey' couple tend to fly into the lala land...and get their expectations of each other which are.....again......dreamy........and then when the reality hits them hard.......you know the threads of newlyweds feeling 'trapped'..
what u said requires a LOT n LOT of maturity ...which is usually in very short supply nowdays..
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Agreed with all.
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and then when the reality hits them hard
Reality?
And what you said easily happens in arranged marriages too.