a group of provocatively dressed women are going to march on the streets of Seattle to bring attention to what they call slut-shaming.
In January, a Toronto police officer told a group of university students that women should avoid dressing like “sluts” to avoid being raped. That inflamed women around North America so much that now Seattle would be the 5th city to have half naked women marching on the streets, trying to reclaim the word ‘slut’. There message would be that women who dresses up in sexual way should not get a blame of rape crime to happen and dressing up like a slut is their right.
I am sure that many male supporters would be showing up with their cameras to support the protest.
He said what a lot of people think unfortunately - that provocative clothing gives men an excuse or license to assault and rape women.
Regardless of how a woman dresses, a man's actions are his responsibility. She can walk naked in front of him - but he is still responsible for controlling his base needs and actions. Her body is not his to use. He cannot touch her and her clothing is not an invitation to him.
The problem with that statement is that it implies only un-modest women get raped. If that was the case no burqa wearing women would be the victim of rape but they have been raped in places like Afghanistan, Saudi etc. Men and women have been raped by their own family members. I don't believe a womens attire is the driving force behind the rape, rape is not always about sex, it can be about control and domination.
The amount of clothing a women has on has nothing to do with rape. Rape is prevalent in Islamic countries where most women wear clothes that cover up most of their bodies. If someone wants to rape, they are not going to care how much clothing you have on.
Further, just because you are wearing revealing clothes, doesnt justify rape.
The problem with that statement is that it implies only un-modest women get raped. If that was the case no burqa wearing women would be the victim of rape but they have been raped in places like Afghanistan, Saudi etc. Men and women have been raped by their own family members. I don't believe a womens attire is the driving force behind the rape, rape is not always about sex, it can be about control and domination.
Good point Sarab, but that is an entirely different issue though. Raping out of frustration and raping out of provocation are different mindsets
I agree that her body is not his to use .. but why would she walk naked in front of him. I mean provocation should be a crime to some degree.
Walking around naked is a crime in most jurisdictions.
But when you discuss morality in general, other than in a few exceptional cases (murder, theft, rape, incest), most actions/choices are judged along a spectrum of moral/social values that differ from one community to another.
Where in clothing and modesty is at issue, Muslims represent one end of the spectrum. On the other end of the spectrum is provocative or no clothing. Sure OUR values tell us a woman should cover herself, but who says our idea of right is in fact the final answer? And better yet, why are we entitled to impose our beliefs on society as a whole? So long as we are not prevented from observing hijab, what someone else does or does not do is a personal wrong, rather than a social wrong.
TLK, I was just kidding with the pic since it came up in the religion forum.
However, I do have to say this:
When women dress provocatively, they DO want attention of the non-platonic kind. Who are we kidding. They do want to be stared at and flirted with and maybe even drooled at. So yes, to keep themselves safe, they should avoid dressing provocatively. What the guy is saying is not wrong.
HOWEVER, there is absolutely no, nada, no justification for a man raping a woman. Frustration, provocation, any reason bears no validity whatsoever. Even if a woman walks naked, no man has a reason good enough to go rape her.
Regardless of how a woman dresses, a man's actions are his responsibility. She can walk naked in front of him - but he is still responsible for controlling his base needs and actions. Her body is not his to use. He cannot touch her and her clothing is not an invitation to him.
We should all stop locking our houses, shops and valuables. After all if someone steals something valuable, he/she will be responsible for the action. I can leave cache of cash on the sidewalk but other people are still responsible for controlling themselves. My cash is not their to use. They can not touch my cash and my cash lying on the sidewalk unattended is NOT an invitation to anyone.
So why dont we do that? because we consider CASH something valuable. Girls (and guys) who believe that their izzat (and body) is valuable stay out of the trouble most of the time.
Although in principle I totally agree with the view that women can walk nude on sidewalk and thats not a license for guys to touch it but there are principles and then there is common sense.
But when you discuss morality in general, other than in a few exceptional cases (murder, theft, rape, incest), most actions/choices are judged along a spectrum of moral/social values that differ from one community to another.
I want to be a devils advocate here.
Police in north america often capture pedophiles (potential) and drug dealers by pretending to be a customer or a pre teen kid. Point is, their provocation leads to the initiation of a potential crime, but they arrest the person before he could commit that crime. That clearly shows that provocation plays a huge role in the initiation of a crime. That definitely does not shift the burden of that crime on the provocateur from the criminal but still some responsibility goes to the one who provocates
If you leave your car unlocked in a crime ridden area of downtown Toronto and your purse gets stolen, will you take some blame of that mishap?
Similarly, one of the participants in the walk, who herself was a victim said that she was dressed not “provocatively” but was dressed normally as you would in winter, when she was raped. How was she being provocative?
The walk isn’t about a chance to flash your goodies. The walk is to bring attention to the fact that even though the rape has happened, the one to be blamed is the victim because she dressed a “certain way”. The victim is already going through enough, and probably isn’t very appreciative of being told that she’s to be blamed. It’s like telling a guy who got shot while getting mugged that well it’s your fault you were standing there that’s why you got shot.
awww I was expecting a mean comment