Sixty Years of Independent India (15th August 1947 - 15th August 2007)

Mostar95 · August 6, 2007, 3:05pm

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Did India really get independence from the UK? I think the UK of GB & NI was so feeble due to the 2nd World War that It could not hold such a vast country. So they decided to abondon it otherwise Indians could not get independence from them.

chintu_bhopali · August 6, 2007, 3:30pm

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so you want indian muslims to be used as shield??? shame on u

Fire_and_Water · August 6, 2007, 6:28pm

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SlaveofAllaah:

Brother this would surely be disgressign the topic. But remember they are issuer everywhere. We muslims tend to forget 1989 the devastation we caused to the Kashmiri Pandits.

For the Haneefs case i am happy the way it was handled as a muslim and as an indian he was taken care by the authorities and hats of to them.

Regarding Muslims coming to Pakistan and saying they love pakistan because in India, the dont get enough chances to certain extent it might be true let me say 1% the rest 99% i know where the Muslims case rests.

We muslims have to progress and stop the blame game, overall as an Indian Muslim i am happy with being an Indian:) . I have lived with 95% percent of my friends as hindus so i can judge better.

*Indian doston mera saath to do, ki yeh sach hain ya nahin:D *

Regards,

I thik SOA is on the dot here.. There is no case to consider otherwise. Indian Muslims or anyone else have an equal right guaranteed by the constitution and their loyalty to the nation and to the soil cannot be questioned on any grounds.
Would be happy to see them go full throttle for modern education and avail the full benefits of a growing economy. Education and education should be the mission and within a couple of generations they will bloom as flowers.

shriek11 · August 7, 2007, 4:38am

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Time to thank hitler.

Puta banoa sahab bahadur hitler ka or parsatish shru.. :p

PS Don't take it literally people

SlaveofAllaah · August 7, 2007, 8:17am

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narayan:

Here is an interview with Shabana Azmi (Host Charlie Rose) on PBS. The first half is Nicholas Burns and the second Shabana Azmi.

SOA, I agree with you, but you know, it is not possible to explain to someone who is not willing to listen. I know there have been problems in India, but these problems are everywhere, in every country. With so much diversity, I think India is managing these problems very well. We, as Indians, need to do much more, and as more Indians are getting educated and there is more employment such problems are reducing. More Indian's of every religion are fed up of these politicians taking advantage of religion and caste diversity. I hope there is a law that can dictate that caste and religion can't be used for political purpose.

Completely agreed with a law should be put into practice that no more of this religion hoopla in India. Indians are doing good and for a large country with only 60 years of independence, its obviously needs some time to come into the top league much like the OECD countries.
If we observe over the past 5 years
1) We know india is growing strong every year economically
2) The legal system is improved tremendously
3) Employment though has some issues is doing better
4) The cultural factor is obviously been damaged due to westernization, which i am slightly against.
5) The government who is captured the hot seat is not all that important (though i love the duo of PM-FM of the present govt)
6) Communal riots though seem to play a major role but in big cities its just like unheard of.
FORECAST
7) According to the report by Mckinsey, India's below poverty line estimated 291 million now, will reduce at a rapid pace by 2025 (though population will increase in this period), accordingly middle class will boom from present size of 50 million to 583 million.
8) Per capita income in the same period would triple from the present state (113,744 - 318,896 indian rupees)

So what more do we want, from 60 years of independence to 80 years of independence.

SlaveofAllaah · August 7, 2007, 8:19am

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Agreed, but the same case rests with pakistan too and moreover i dont have to open my mouth regarding the initial period of this division.:D

Mostar95 · August 7, 2007, 9:28am

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But Pakistan did not learn anything from the Britishers. Indians followed them a lot and soon they are going to get the results of that - Super power within next 50 years.

hanibal · August 7, 2007, 10:02am

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So People are saying that Indian Muslims are satisfied and they are leading a happu life in India

Here is a report called Sachar report on the condition of Indian muslims…

Sachar Committee Report on Indian Muslims

Right Wing Lies Exposed

India’s majoritarian fascists, represented in parliament by the Bharti Janata Party (BJP), are in a blue funk. The findings of the “Prime Ministers’ High Level Committee” (set up on 9th March,2005) headed by former chief justice of the Delhi High Court, Justice Rajinder Sachar have in their Report submitted to parliament on 30th November,2006 nailed the long-touted right-wing disinformation about Indian muslims as a skein of lies.
Drawing on every conceivable data source, governmental and other, and interacting widely across 15 Indian states where muslims live in high concentrations, the Sachar Report records, on the basis of facts that few dare refute, a litany of exclusion, alienation and immiseration. This painstakingly comprehensive computation bids fare to inaugurate a paradigm shift in the way in which India’s largest minority, some 14% of its population, are viewed. Already, all sections of opinion, barring of course the BJP, are busy making honest revaluations of a widely- held, error prone, and pre-conceived spectrum of imagined constructions of the muslim community-- its attitudes, realities, and aspirations.
First, a recap of some of the stunning findings of the Sachar Report:
? less than 4% muslims graduate from school;
? contrary to right-wing calumny, only 4% go to madrasas, principally because in most areas of high of muslim concentration even primary state schools do not exist for miles; where they do exist, muslims invariably prefer to send their wards to them, even when the dropout rate of muslim children is much higher compared to other community wards due to “poverty” as these children are pressed into work by their indigent parents;
? the muslim share in government employment is 4.9% (against a population of 14%); in a state like West Bengal ruled by the Left Front, their representation in state Public Sector Undertakings is exactly zero percent!
? Among India’s Security Agencies (viz., CRPF, CISF, BSF, SSB &c.) muslim representation is 3.2%;
? Just 2.7% are in place among District Judges;
? In towns that range in population between 50,000 and 2 lacs, muslim per capita expenditure is less than that of India’s Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes! This is also the case in areas across West Bengal, Andhra Pradesh, Gujarat, Rajasthan, Madhya Pradesh;
? Not more than 3.% muslims are able to get subsidized loans, and only 1.9% benefit from the Antyodaya Anna Yojana Scheme (programme to prevent starvation among the extremely poor);
? Only 2.1% muslim farmers own tractors, and just 1% own hand pumps for irrigation;
? Here is another significant eye-opener: there is “substantial demand from the community for fertility regulation and for modern contraceptives”; over 20 million couples already use contraceptives; “muslim population growth has slowed down as fertility has declined substantially”; all that puts paid to the nefarious fascist propaganda that there has been a muslim conspiracy afoot since 1947 to reproduce mightily, and a danger that the Indian Hindus will be reduced to a minority!
? If muslims do outnumber majority hindus in any statistics, it is predictably as a proportion of the prison population (much like the blacks in America);
? Wherever muslims are spoken to they complain of suffering the twin calumnies of being dubbed “anti-national” and of being “appeased”; both accusations are perceived to be deeply calculated from ever allowing them to feel equal citizens of India;
? The Report also puts on record the little-recognized reality of caste hierarchies that have always existed among subcontinental muslims. Thus, the Ashrafs, Ajlafs, Arzals respectively correspond to the Hindu Swarns, Other Backward Castes, and Schedule Castes respectively. Although, untouchability of the kind that afflicts the Hindu social order does not exist among muslims, and although there is no bar to collective prayer in mosques, the reluctance to inter-dine and inter-marry is often only a concealed reality (1).
It should not be hard to see that these findings—and many others—take the wind out of right-wing Hindu myth-making about the muslim community in India, a reason why the BJP from day one has sought to oppose the very notion of setting up a Committee to unravel the facts of muslim existence in India.
Let me mention just three of the many path-breaking recommendations that the Sachar Report makes to the Prime Minister who set up the Committee:
–it recommends that 15% of all government funds be allocated to muslim welfare and development under all Central government schemes;
–it recommends the constitution of an “Equal Opportunities Commission” to look into the grievances of deprived groups and for the elimination of anomalies with respect to reserved constituencies under the delimitation scheme; in an interview that Justice Sachar gave to the media channel, CNN-IBN, he elaborated that the “Equal Opportunities Commission will have the power to pass order for compliance with it and to punish, either by compensation, or by other things for those who violate it. It has powers of adjucation and powers like a court.” These are of course projected stipulations at this point.
–The Committee makes no recommendation of “reservations” for the muslim community per se, but suggests that those among them who approximate in terms of social and occupational status the scheduled and backward classes among Hindus be classified as Most Backward Castes and proferred the same benefits that relevant articles of the Constitution make available to counterparts among Hindus.
II
Predictably, the BJP finds the Sachar Report “full of prejudices” and seeks to launch on a Hindu-communalist blitz. Alongwith the Sachar Report the BJP seeks also to rope in, with heinously tendentious selectivity, a statement that the Prime Minister made last week to a meeting of the National Development Council (which includes all the chief ministers of state governments) inorder to scream “muslim appeasement” in a renewed effort to line up “Hindu” vote behind the party. That the “Hindu” vote in effect amounts only to propertied upper caste vote is by now well-recognized, although it will be the BJPs’ attempt to inveigle disaffected social groups among Hindus as well.
But first for record, this is what the Prime Minister said at that meeting:
“I believe our collective priorities are clear: agriculture, irrigation and water resources, health, education, critical investment in rural infrastructure, along with programmes for the uplift of SCs/STs. other backward classes, minorities and women and children. The component plans for SCs and STs will need to be revitalized. We will have to devise innovative plans to ensure that minorities, particularly the muslim minority, are empowered to share equitably in the fruits of development. They must have the first claim on resources. The Centre has a myriad other responsibilities whose demands will have to be fitted within the overall resource availability.”
The BJP, hardly surprisingly, has chosen to extrapolate from this admirably detailed, diverse and comprehensive enunciation a one-point agenda—namely, that the Prime Minister is after all prejudiced against the majority community! Just in passing, it never seems to occur to Hindutva ideologues that the SCs and OBCs, as well as a substantial percentage of STs who enjoy the benefits of “reservations” are, after all, components of the majority community. Or that just as they comprise socially and educationally deprived sections among Hindus, similarly and correspondingly deprived sections exist among Muslims as well.
Most interestingly, it is often forgotten that, notwithstanding the accusation that affirmative action favouring the muslims is now sought to be instituted on “religious” grounds in contravention of articles 341and 342 of the Constitution, the note to those two articles is amenable only to the construction that reservations were indeed conceived ab initio on a religious basis. How else would one read the stipulation that
“A person who is converted to another religion cannot claim scheduled Caste status.” (Notes on Articles 341 and 342, The Constitution of India, P.M.Bakhshi ed., VIth ed., p.285)
Clearly, the fact that caste hierarchies exist among muslims was not to be granted recognition, although subsequently in 1956, the principle was extended to the Sikh community as well! It may well be the wishful conviction of the RSS that Sikhs are infact only a sect among Hindus, but the Sikhs have never taken kindly to that communal and patronizing propagation.
Yet, if in spite of the ammunition that the Sachar Report and the statement made by the Prime Minister may have provided to the majoritarian fascists, they seem visibly fighting now with their backs to the wall. Nothing testifies more eloquently to the changed social and political environment in India over the last two or three years. If the BJP senses this, regardless of the renewed communalist blitz they have launched, the reasons may be as follows:
–shocking as it might seem, the Sachar Report and its recommendations have not drawn the sort of “popular” outcry among Hindus that the BJP might have expected; this seems owing to three factors: one, the incontestable content of the Sachar Report; two, the organizational and ideological disarray within the BJP, resulting just last week in significant electoral losses in Assembly elections in Maharashtra, Karnataka and Chattisgarh; and, three, to the augumented credibility of the Manmohan Singh led UPA government. Nor does it seem on the cards that the BJP’s energetic polemic is likely to change opinion in any major way.
–the Sachar Report has blown a very big hole into the time-tested right-wing Hindu propaganda that the Congress has always indulged in “muslim appeasement”; anybody can see the impossibility of reconciling that bogus claim with the concrete findings of the Sachar Report, even when there is truth to the charge that centrist parties, including the BJP under Atal Bihari Vajpayee, have sought to appease the religious/priestly leaderships of both communities over the years.
The BJPs subsequent charge that if such be the state of the muslim community it is only the Congress which is to blame now draws the obvious rejoinder: that may well be so, but now that the UPA dispensation appears serious about remedying the situation, why should the BJP oppose such a project. The fact is that many sections among Hindus who have thus far tended to take the BJPs version of things for granted feel that if further deleterious radicalization of desperate muslim youth is to be averted, now is the time to attend to the substance of muslim grievance.
It is significant that a poll conducted just the other day by one of the premier media channels on whether or not the Prime Minister was right in saying that deprived sections, including the muslim minority, should have “first claim” on the nation’s resources drew a 40% positive response. Such a response would have been unthinkable in the wake of the Gujarat episode of 2002.
–given the exertions of the UPA government on the question, more and more sections of muslim organized opinion as well as general public articulation among muslims can be seen to acquire a new energy, centring now on a new hope and the desire to participate both in terms of ideas and targeted action steps. From the BJPs’ point of view, this transformation has the potential to draw both the muslim community and general public discourse away from the sort of jehadi-talk and “Islamism” that suits Hindu-fascist politics.
–the BJPs’ isolation among the political party structures on the question is already complete; even its ally, the Akali Dal, has stated that it sees nothing wrong if deprived minorities are attended to in a special way. Given that low-caste Sikhs have been beneficiaries of affirmative action since 1956, such a position is consistent, after all.
III
The all-important question must now pertain to how sincerely and resolutely the UPA government pursues the new agenda it has laid out. Should the Sachar findings be allowed to go to cold storage and amount merely to a clever ploy, the consequences for the secular and democratic future of India will not but be cataclysmic. Indeed, the state may not get another opportunity in the matter.
If, on the other hand, the UPA follows up resolutely, without communal/electoral calculation, on the implications that flow from the Sachar Report it may truly inaugurate a transforming politics that bears the promise of putting secular democracy on a firm and concrete footing and, all importantly, of defeating the project of both Hindu and Muslim communalists to push Indian muslims into the corner wherefrom the discourse of “terror” and “war on terror” could become mutually possible.
Finally, let it be said that the bulk of the muslim community in India, insofar as they are either petty farmers, or agricultural workers, or artisans, or unorganized urban proletarians, owe their economic immiseration massively to the economics of “reform” and “structural adjustment”. Until the government seriously rethinks its adherence to the political economy of “globalization” nobody need expect far-reaching transformations to happen in any hurry.

BY Badri Raina

http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?ItemID=11646

SlaveofAllaah · August 7, 2007, 10:45am

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Brother the point is either you or me should be right.
The article you have just posted is talking about the state of Muslims in India it doesnt talk about discrimination, Muslims being looked down upon, Hindus treating muslims badly or any sought of racism.
My point is totally different being happy is different compared to the state of Muslims.
I never said Muslims are doing good in India, i just mentioned Muslims are happy in India.
Well, you fail to understand also that BJP mainly a hindu fascist party comes out with this amazing research regarding the Muslims and show support to the Muslims on the other side we Muslims are crooning negatively about BJP.
Amazing:D

hanibal · August 7, 2007, 11:16am

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:D :D

thats surely amazing and i think thats y this report which known as sachar report had been published.

anywat my point from the start was that atleast muslims in Pakistan doesn't have these problems i.e. not treated as third rated citizens, exceptions are every where, there might a minority of muslims in relatively muslim majority area who are leading a better life a happy life... but over all situation is not satisfactory

SlaveofAllaah · August 7, 2007, 1:46pm

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Salam bro,

Let me again tell you the problems we Muslims are in is because we have put ourselves into huge problem,
1) We muslims have this superior complexity, and i know many of them who holler we dont like to work under hindus and are better of working on our own.
This is a typical mentality for someone, who is illetrate yes i am trying to generalize here. You will find them opening a workshop,etc...
2) Muslims have to be invited to schools amongst the lower class believe though its free of cost the parents look for some material gain.

My point is this typical mentality, has to be drained out from the brain of Muslims. I dont completely deny they are problems with muslims but they are small pockeets here and there (if any) but we have to come out of the mentality state.
Discrimination is everywhere a hindu manager would recruit a hindu and same with a muslim per se but not always the truth.
But the media highlights the case in the worst possible way. But we INdian muslims have to pull up our socks for sure.

ssingh · August 7, 2007, 2:25pm

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A correction: - India and pakistan combined wouldn't have surpassed chinese economy. Pakistan's economy = 1/8 of indian economy and chinese economy is nearly 2-3 times that of indian economy. so it harly matters whether you combine india and pakistan or not!

ssingh · August 7, 2007, 2:31pm

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Also, if u take the number of poor hindus in india, it would/could exceed the entire muslim population of india itself, let alone number of poor among muslims in india!

hanibal · August 7, 2007, 4:55pm

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SlaveofAllaah:

Salam bro,

Let me again tell you the problems we Muslims are in is because we have put ourselves into huge problem, 1) We muslims have this superior complexity, and i know many of them who holler we dont like to work under hindus and are better of working on our own. This is a typical mentality for someone, who is illetrate yes i am trying to generalize here. You will find them opening a workshop,etc... 2) Muslims have to be invited to schools amongst the lower class believe though its free of cost the parents look for some material gain.

My point is this typical mentality, has to be drained out from the brain of Muslims. I dont completely deny they are problems with muslims but they are small pockeets here and there (if any) but we have to come out of the mentality state. Discrimination is everywhere a hindu manager would recruit a hindu and same with a muslim per se but not always the truth. But the media highlights the case in the worst possible way. But we INdian muslims have to pull up our socks for sure.

w/salam bro!!!

U r in there, u better know than what i know!!!

i only see one thing and that is over all picture, shown by the media ( it can be any medium) according to that picture, what i saw was a mascare of Muslims in Gujrat, I saw demolision of Babri mosque ( i have no idea what is conditon of other mosques which is of not the significant) , I saw riots between Hindu and Muslims (only major are reported, minor we never knew), I saw graveyard of more thant 80,000 kashmiri Muslims, I saw overall muslims relatively less educated... hence not eligible for high rank posts...

I saw Indian Hindu discriminating between themselves, and discrimination is at its peak, they burn houses of low caste hindus, ( and i can imagine that in Hindu Society what is a status of Muslim)

as i said earlier in my post, u might have not experinced it, thats y u r considering them as SMALL PACKET of problems.

Any way that is your point of view which i trust must have some footing, and above is my view point which also have some basis.

denada · August 8, 2007, 10:09am

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60 years after partition, ‘home’ still beckons
Posted August 8th, 2007 by Tarique

India News By Azera Rahman, IANS

http://www.indianmuslims.info/news/2007/aug/08/60_years_after_partition_home_still_beckons.html

New Delhi : Some pine for the taste of khurmani fruit and some miss the shimmer of Anarkali bazaar while others remember the beauty of a simple lifestyle. But one mention of the word ‘partition’, pain and anguish cloud their wrinkled faces.

The sub-continent’s partition led to the birth of Pakistan and India on Aug 14 and 15, 1947, respectively. Once the border lines were established, about 14.5 million people crossed the borders for what they hoped was the relative safety of religious majority.

Based on the 1951 census of displaced people, an estimated 7.22 million Muslims went over to Pakistan from India while 7.24 million Hindus and Sikhs made it in the reverse direction before, during and after partition.

For the thousands who left their homes in Pakistan and settled here during that traumatic period, life has been a long journey, full of ups and downs.

“I hardly have any memory of that period. I was very young then,” is the first reaction of 75-year-old Joginder Raj Vinaik of Delhi who came from Koita in Pakistan.

It’s not easy to get someone to revisit a painful past. But with a little prodding, endless stories of a golden period came tumbling out from Vinaik.

"Koita is a mountainous region in Pakistan. It was a beautiful place with different fruit trees all over the place. Shahtoot, khurmani, cherry, black grapes, badam… everything used to grow on trees and we used to pluck and eat them without anyone screaming at us.

“The place used to look even more beautiful in winters when it used to snow for five to six months. It would be so cold that the water in the taps would freeze!” Vinaik told IANS nostalgically.

The ‘heaven like days’, however, soon came to an end as the fire of partition fuelled in 1947.

“We took a house in Karol Bagh and all of us started working. I must have been 14 or 15 and got a job in the Delhi Cloth Mills,” Vinaik narrated.

Although life completely changed for the Vinaik family, his passion for football did not. He became a part of the Delhi state football team when he was 22. Around that time his team went to Pakistan to play a match there.

“How I wished I could go to my ancestral house, but you know the rules! We went playing at Peshawar and then to Multan. Then I had to come back… without seeing my beautiful home,” he said.

“How I wish there was no partition! Given a choice I would want to go back there - but none of us can ever go there again.”

Like him, 72-year-old Darshan Lal, who had come from Hasan Abdal near Islamabad during the partition, remembers his young days across the border with nostalgia.

“Back home, we were very well off. We had shops, land and other properties. But life was simple. People used to eat and live simply,” Lal said softly.

“We used to cross parks and streams on our way to school. People were warm, friendly and had great respect for each other. There was no discrimination just because you were a Hindu or a Muslim,” he said.

Sitting in his small shop in Indra Vihar in north Delhi, Lal pointed at the big lock on his door. “See that?” he asked. “Until we came here, we hardly knew what a lock was. Back there, it was so safe. People used to leave their houses open and sleep, knowing very well that there are no robbers to loot them. Girls and children would walk and play on the roads without a trace of fear. But that kind of life is long gone,” he said.

Lal said they couldn’t believe that they would have to leave their homes forever.

“That fateful night it was Dussehra. We were in the gurdwara, empty-handed. My parents had a little money but that was hardly enough. Our elders said ‘aman ho jayega (there will be peace) and then we will come back’,” Lal said. “But that never happened.”

Travelling for days in trucks and goods trains, their family, like hundreds of others, spent days and then years in refugee camps. Finally they settled in Faridabad in Haryana.

“It was a long struggle here. We children had long left studying and had to work to help the family survive. I got a job with the Faridabad Development Board when I was 18. Life has been going on since then,” he smiled.

When asked if he would like to go back to his ancestral house, he smiled again.

"I tried, we all tried going back just to see it. We got the passports but not the visa. Initially we used to keep in touch with friends from there through letters but soon the letters used to invite queries from officials, so we stopped writing.

“Even today if I close my eyes, I can trace my city, my school and my home - clearly,” he said with a faraway look.

For Lala Punj Lal, memories of the light and shimmer of the Anarkali market in Lahore never left him. Although he is no more, his daughter Parveen Aggarwal, who was born in India and now lives in Amritsar, remembers every detail of the life her father led in Pakistan.

“He came to India when he was 25 or 28 years old,” Aggarwal told IANS.

“My father used to always tell me that he missed going to the Anarkali market and roaming around with his friends in the ‘tonga’ (horse-drawn carriage),” she reminisced.

“One of the things he used to always tell us was about the way people lived during those times. Most of the time, two or three families gathered and cooked and ate in one house. There was a lot of prosperity but life was simple,” she said.

All of that changed once the fire of partition reached their locality.

“My father, along with his family, walked from their home to this side of the border. It was Aug 14, 1947. They reached Jalandhar city and started life anew,” she said.

Having left behind everything, Lal’s family started a small business, in their family trade of spices.

“My father was in touch with his friends from Lahore for long after he came here. But slowly everything faded away. In 1982, a cousin went there and he came back saying that he didn’t recognise anything. Everything had changed,” Aggarwal said.

Like Aggarwal, Rajesh Babbar too grew up listening to the tales of ‘those days’ by his father. "At the time of partition, my father was 13 years old. He was the only son of the family, which had seven daughters, four of whom were married.

“When the violence started, my grandmother ran away with him as she wanted to save her son. My grandfather was killed while trying to save his three daughters,” Babbar said.

Joining a refugee caravan, Babbar’s grandmother and father reached Delhi. Since she had managed to bring half a kilo of gold with her, she could rent a room in the Pahargunj area of Delhi and send her son to school.

Studying till Class 10, Babbar’s father started working soon after that and got married a few years later.

“My father, who is no more, always yearned to go back to his ancestral home, visit his school, walk in those lanes. Unfortunately he could never go back. But after hearing all those stories, I really want to go there,” Babbar said.

What does Aug 15 mean to all of them?

“It means losing one home to gain another,” said Darshan Lal. On the 60th year of Independence, these families feel every bit proud like any other Indian, but still can’t stop wishing that the partition had never taken place

Shoor · August 8, 2007, 10:52am

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hey ssingh, how’s that unfortunate, would you let me know.

and if you feel it is, have you stopped speaking the same language and eating the same food yet?

wth, what a curious thing to say

moin.ul.atiq · August 8, 2007, 6:31pm

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You are the only Indian muslim who I have met supports Indian govt. and Hindus. Explain me this-

1) If India is secular, why does the govt. asks muslims to pay tax? You know that is haraam in an Islamic country. If India were to be secular, Indian muslims shouldn't have been paying taxes- only Hindus, Christians, Buddhists and Sikhs should.

2) Why Friday is not a holiday in India if India is (still)secular?

3) Why Gandhi always quoted from Gita and not from Quran?

4) Why do Hindus in India celebrate Diwali etc. publicly when it might offend other religions' sentiments? Why is beef and meat is banned in states?

Plus, there are lot of Hindu guys who marry muslim girls in India and dont covert to Islam- hence commit Zina like Sanjay Dutt's mom.
Indian govt. should offer 30% reservations in all kinds of jobs to muslims.

lakkis25 · August 8, 2007, 7:12pm

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You are the only Indian muslim who I have met supports Indian govt. and Hindus. Explain me this-

1) If India is secular, why does the govt. asks muslims to pay tax? You know that is haraam in an Islamic country. If India were to be secular, Indian muslims shouldn't have been paying taxes- only Hindus, Christians, Buddhists and Sikhs should.
i hope you are paying taxes now, then aren't you a muslim, why are you paying that
2) Why Friday is not a holiday in India if India is (still)secular?
why friday is not holiday in pakistan, friday is declared holiday in india then it is islamic and not secular
3) Why Gandhi always quoted from Gita and not from Quran?
only because gandhi is hindu
4) Why do Hindus in India celebrate Diwali etc. publicly when it might offend other religions' sentiments? Why is beef and meat is banned in states?
aren't muslim put loud speakers in masjid and do Adhan when it is disturbing to other religion, though diwali is once in a year and Adhan happens 5 times a day
Plus, there are lot of Hindu guys who marry muslim girls in India and dont covert to Islam- hence commit Zina like Sanjay Dutt's mom.
ask Nargis , she will answer you better
Indian govt. should offer 30% reservations in all kinds of jobs to muslims.
you don't want to pay tax and don't contribute anything to society and you are asking reservations, its show how selfish you are, and if you are true muslim you should not be selfish

chintu_bhopali · August 8, 2007, 7:35pm

Re: Sixty Years of Independent India (15th August 1947 - 15th August 2007)

^^ There is no point of answering his questions. his brain is equivalent to a 2 years old child. Just ignore him...

Vedic_Intellect · August 8, 2007, 8:17pm

Re: Sixty Years of Independent India (15th August 1947 - 15th August 2007)

Moin is either a highly retarded e-jihadi moron who deserves no attention OR a loser who purposely posts such unbelievably stupid messages to get ppl going and to get some sadistic pleasures