Re: Sixty Years of Independent India (15th August 1947 - 15th August 2007)
I disagree to that, not that Pakistan is best state in the world or it is a safe heaven for muslims, but i disagree after observing and looking at Indian-Muslims situation.
No matter how good or bad Pakistan is, no matter how much unstable it is, but u we are not treated their as 3rd grade citizens.
I would surely disagree with that.
But overall India as a country is progressing. A good live e.g. about Muslims being supported is the case of Haneef, where the Indian govt backed this Indian muslim each and everyday.
Well 60 years a long way. As a human i can only pray that Pakistan gets it's bearing right for a successful nation. Because the situation in pakistan is gotten worse in the last few months.
Re: Sixty Years of Independent India (15th August 1947 - 15th August 2007)
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But overall India as a country is progressing. A good live e.g. about Muslims being supported is the case of Haneef, where the Indian govt backed this Indian muslim each and everyday.
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This is a bad example and you know why ;)
India [and still australia] didn't give two hoots until it was proven in a court that this guy was innocent before your foreign office said we always supported him blah blah. Nothing to worry about as usually very few are around when you are in trouble while everyone is there for the good times.
Re: Sixty Years of Independent India (15th August 1947 - 15th August 2007)
This is a bad example and you know why ;)
India [and still australia] didn't give two hoots until it was proven in a court that this guy was innocent before your foreign office said we always supported him blah blah. Nothing to worry about as usually very few are around when you are in trouble while everyone is there for the good times.
Are you sure:) i would still argue, because i have been following this new regularly moreover know what he hails from my own city so was more curious to know.:D
Re: Sixty Years of Independent India (15th August 1947 - 15th August 2007)
Are you a Pakistani? I cannot understand anyone who knows our history who can say this. The fact that even after leaving Pakistan, Bangladesh chose to remain independent rather than join India is a sign that the partition was correct.
Re: Sixty Years of Independent India (15th August 1947 - 15th August 2007)
India as a nation is progressing but when it comes to communal problems, there has been no improvement. Because of so much diversity in religion and culture in India, I hope there will be a day when there will be very few communal problems.
There would've probably been twice as many communal problems if pakistan was still a part of India.
Partition happened for the best, now I just wish all the militant problems in both countries would be taken care of so progress would be possible.
Re: Sixty Years of Independent India (15th August 1947 - 15th August 2007)
I would surely disagree with that.
But overall India as a country is progressing. A good live e.g. about Muslims being supported is the case of Haneef, where the Indian govt backed this Indian muslim each and everyday.
Well 60 years a long way. As a human i can only pray that Pakistan gets it's bearing right for a successful nation. Because the situation in pakistan is gotten worse in the last few months.
I agree India is progressing, but is the progress rate is satisfactory?
( i guess Haneef's issue has been answered and no need to be repeated in my post)
I live in a country where Indian population is over 500,000 people, and we have to suffer them, they don't miss a single chance ( and if the chance is not there, they create one) to open fire at Pakistani or Muslims of Subcontinent.
Muslims of India, tend to stay here in their vacations and normally don't like to go back unless and otherwise they have to.
we don't have to go long back in history, Gujrat's Anti-Muslim riots says the rest by themselves.
Re: Sixty Years of Independent India (15th August 1947 - 15th August 2007)
India as a nation is progressing but when it comes to communal problems, there has been no improvement. Because of so much diversity in religion and culture in India, I hope there will be a day when there will be very few communal problems.
There would've probably been twice as many communal problems if pakistan was still a part of India.
Partition happened for the best, now I just wish all the militant problems in both countries would be taken care of so progress would be possible.
India cannot achieve real progress untill it solves all of its communal problems, the progress we see can be called a reflex action to the happening in the world.
Re: Sixty Years of Independent India (15th August 1947 - 15th August 2007)
I think if India was not partitioned, today, it would be stronger than China and the most important country in Asia
From an Indian perspective it is good that partition happened. If not for partition, India would be the in line of fire battling terror.
If Pakistan had been a part of India, globally it would have been difficult for Indians to reach the level of importance in the software world. People would have looked at Indians with suspicion...
Re: Sixty Years of Independent India (15th August 1947 - 15th August 2007)
I agree India is progressing, but is the progress rate is satisfactory?
( i guess Haneef's issue has been answered and no need to be repeated in my post)
I live in a country where Indian population is over 500,000 people, and we have to suffer them, they don't miss a single chance ( and if the chance is not there, they create one) to open fire at Pakistani or Muslims of Subcontinent.
Muslims of India, tend to stay here in their vacations and normally don't like to go back unless and otherwise they have to.
we don't have to go long back in history, Gujrat's Anti-Muslim riots says the rest by themselves.
Brother this would surely be disgressign the topic. But remember they are issuer everywhere. We muslims tend to forget 1989 the devastation we caused to the Kashmiri Pandits.
For the Haneefs case i am happy the way it was handled as a muslim and as an indian he was taken care by the authorities and hats of to them.
Regarding Muslims coming to Pakistan and saying they love pakistan because in India, the dont get enough chances to certain extent it might be true let me say 1% the rest 99% i know where the Muslims case rests.
We muslims have to progress and stop the blame game, overall as an Indian Muslim i am happy with being an Indian:) . I have lived with 95% percent of my friends as hindus so i can judge better.
*Indian doston mera saath to do, ki yeh sach hain ya nahin:D *
Re: Sixty Years of Independent India (15th August 1947 - 15th August 2007)
How would India be if the partition never happened?
** In my opinion it was a mistake to create Pakistan.**
Sad to see such an opinion from one of the most intelligent guppies. I never thought you would say this, Waqqas bhai. More half of India's population sleeps on the streets of Bombay and 100s of millions die of hunger everyday. On the contrary, Pakistan's economy is improving everyday and we have Afghans as our friends- who have always helped us. Plus, we can't live in a country where Islam is not practised
Re: Sixty Years of Independent India (15th August 1947 - 15th August 2007)
Brother this would surely be disgressign the topic. But remember they are issuer everywhere. We muslims tend to forget 1989 the devastation we caused to the Kashmiri Pandits.
For the Haneefs case i am happy the way it was handled as a muslim and as an indian he was taken care by the authorities and hats of to them.
Regarding Muslims coming to Pakistan and saying they love pakistan because in India, the dont get enough chances to certain extent it might be true let me say 1% the rest 99% i know where the Muslims case rests.
We muslims have to progress and stop the blame game, overall as an Indian Muslim i am happy with being an Indian:) . I have lived with 95% percent of my friends as hindus so i can judge better.
*Indian doston mera saath to do, ki yeh sach hain ya nahin:D *
Regards,
Brother you are mistaken! A lot of Hindus frown upon Indian muslims if Indian muslims celebrate Independence day on August 14th or if they cheer for Pakistan in Cricket matches. 90% of Indian muslims keep Pakistani flag secretly in their houses because their Hindu countrymen would find it offending to find that. Most of the Indian muslims are from dravidian stock but can be used as shield during Pakistan-India war.
Re: Sixty Years of Independent India (15th August 1947 - 15th August 2007)
Brother this would surely be disgressign the topic. But remember they are issuer everywhere. We muslims tend to forget 1989 the devastation we caused to the Kashmiri Pandits.
For the Haneefs case i am happy the way it was handled as a muslim and as an indian he was taken care by the authorities and hats of to them.
Regarding Muslims coming to Pakistan and saying they love pakistan because in India, the dont get enough chances to certain extent it might be true let me say 1% the rest 99% i know where the Muslims case rests.
We muslims have to progress and stop the blame game, overall as an Indian Muslim i am happy with being an Indian:) . I have lived with 95% percent of my friends as hindus so i can judge better.
*Indian doston mera saath to do, ki yeh sach hain ya nahin:D *
Regards,
Dear brother,
I never said muslims coming to Pakistan, i said place where i live and that is not Pakistan... anyway, maybe u r right, as i have never been to India ( nor did i have any wish to be there, not being rude, but i hate travelling).
If Kashmiri Pandits case has been pointed then things will go in different direction... which i hope is not the intention of this thread and of niether urs reply.
with all due respect sir, i have not blamed anything to anyone, i don't know which part of my reply is considered BLAME by u, I have been in this country for almost 18 years, and we often wonder should it have been their country , how they have treated us :D
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Sad to see such an opinion from one of the most intelligent guppies. I never thought you would say this, Waqqas bhai. More half of India's population sleeps on the streets of Bombay and 100s of millions die of hunger everyday. On the contrary, Pakistan's economy is improving everyday and we have Afghans as our friends- who have always helped us. Plus, we can't live in a country where Islam is not practised
Moin, if the partition never happend, India would have 500 million Muslims vs 700 Million Hindus.
In 20 to 30 years, Muslims would have become the majority in India.
By creating Pakistan, we have weakened the muslim power in South Asia
But still, I am a Pakistani and I still love Pakistan.
Re: Sixty Years of Independent India (15th August 1947 - 15th August 2007)
Brother you are mistaken! A lot of Hindus frown upon Indian muslims if Indian muslims celebrate Independence day on August 14th or if they cheer for Pakistan in Cricket matches. 90% of Indian muslims keep Pakistani flag secretly in their houses because their Hindu countrymen would find it offending to find that. Most of the Indian muslims are from dravidian stock but can be used as shield during Pakistan-India war.
Salam brother,
1) Most of my muslim friends support in India in all the cases except for 1 muslim friend of mine who supports pakistan only for cricket rest all its all about india. In that case i know so many of my hindu friends who support pakistan for there cricket abilities.
2) Dravidian stock no where as only the south indians are dravidians, where as north indians are mostly of aryan/persian origin.
Anyways the topic is 60 years India is developed if we have this corrupt politicians out who play the communal game, things would be better in India.
But
Re: Sixty Years of Independent India (15th August 1947 - 15th August 2007)
Sad to see such an opinion from one of the most intelligent guppies. I never thought you would say this, Waqqas bhai. More half of India's population sleeps on the streets of Bombay and 100s of millions die of hunger everyday. On the contrary, Pakistan's economy is improving everyday and we have Afghans as our friends- who have always helped us. Plus, we can't live in a country where Islam is not practised
Moin
we are talking abt indian in 2007 and not in 1960 :)
Re: Sixty Years of Independent India (15th August 1947 - 15th August 2007)
Brother you are mistaken! A lot of Hindus frown upon Indian muslims if Indian muslims celebrate Independence day on August 14th or if they cheer for Pakistan in Cricket matches. 90% of Indian muslims keep Pakistani flag secretly in their houses because their Hindu countrymen would find it offending to find that. Most of the Indian muslims are from dravidian stock but can be used as shield during Pakistan-India war.
Re: Sixty Years of Independent India (15th August 1947 - 15th August 2007)
Here is an interview with Shabana Azmi (Host Charlie Rose) on PBS. The first half is Nicholas Burns and the second Shabana Azmi.
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SOA, I agree with you, but you know, it is not possible to explain to someone who is not willing to listen.
I know there have been problems in India, but these problems are everywhere, in every country. With so much diversity, I think India is managing these problems very well. We, as Indians, need to do much more, and as more Indians are getting educated and there is more employment such problems are reducing. More Indian’s of every religion are fed up of these politicians taking advantage of religion and caste diversity. I hope there is a law that can dictate that caste and religion can’t be used for political purpose.
Re: Sixty Years of Independent India (15th August 1947 - 15th August 2007)
Brother you are mistaken! A lot of Hindus frown upon Indian muslims if Indian muslims celebrate Independence day on August 14th or if they cheer for Pakistan in Cricket matches. 90% of Indian muslims keep Pakistani flag secretly in their houses because their Hindu countrymen would find it offending to find that. Most of the Indian muslims are from dravidian stock but can be used as shield during Pakistan-India war.
Bhai Jaan, Where did you hear this from. This is the wishful thinking of some of the Pakistanis. I think SOA is in a much better position to give this type of stats than you are.
Tell me this - Why should an Indian muslim support Paksitan? Its just another nation, which has majority Muslim population, thats all. What has it done for Muslims around the world? Zippo, nothing at all.
Today, India is shown as an example moderate muslim population, not Pakistan. Whenever there is terrorism anywhere in the world, the search ends in Pakistan. I think most muslims, even those in Pakistan do not want this. So, I think all muslims should support India rather than Paksitan.
Indian muslims has always supported India and will always do.
I cannot understand anyone who knows our history who can say this. The fact that even after leaving Pakistan, Bangladesh chose to remain independent rather than join India is a sign that the partition was correct.