It was narrated that 'Amr bin Dinar heard Tawus say:
“I heard Abu Hurairah narrating that the Prophet (Peace be upon him) said: ‘Adam and Musa debated, and Musa said to him: “O Adam, you are our father but have deprived us and caused us to be expelled from Paradise because of your sin.” Adam said to him: “O Musa, Allah chose you to speak with, and he wrote the Tawrah for you with His own Hand. Are you blaming me for something which Allah decreed for me forty years before He created me?” Thus Adam won the argument with Musa, thus Adam won the argument with Musa.’”
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Is it a zaeef hadees?
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Peace Mostar95,
As per my little knowledge. No it is not a zaeef hadith.
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So it means we are no responsible for our sins or becoming infidel as it has clearly been decreed upon us!
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Yes, yes, Mostieee…we are not responsible at all for our sins and becoming an infidel or even lower than that. Jaao shabaash…go drink, and fornicate, and steal, and defecate freely and with even more force in public as you you do on this forum…you are AZAAD dude.
Allah had decided before creating Adam that He would send a vicegerent to this EARTH. Prior to eating from the tree, Adam and Eve had absolutely NO concept of good and evil…or the meaning of sin…or even perhaps the meaning of a mistake. Compare Hazrat Adam (AS) to us human beings who are despicable compared to him…we KNOW fully well…that an action is a sin…but we still commit it anyway.
Shaitan came to Adam (AS) and said that Allah does not want you to eat from this tree because then you would become like the angels, immortal. For all we know, perhaps Adam thought that he would always want to remain in heaven and be close to his Rabb and be pure like the angels. Perhaps even in the mistake that he committed…there was a love for Allah. Compare that to us humans who have no khauf eh khuda amd commit sins just to satisfy our lower desires. And here you are, Mostie, worried about Hazrat Adam (AS)??? How utterly pathetic. People don’t even like to speak with condescension about their own direct mother and father that brought them into this world and raised them with their own hands …and here you are speaking with an undercurrent of mockery and disdain for the FATHER of all mankind. It’s because you have no shame, Mostar. Rasool SAWS was right when he said, “If you have no shame, then do whatever you want.” And that’s exactly what you’re doing.
Hazrat Adam (AS) did not even start his mission as a prophet until after he was removed from jannah. It was only then that He became aware of good and evil. Prior to that he had no awareness. Even Allah in His mercy forgave Him and told Him that from now onwards you will receive guidance from me. Look at US humans…we have all the guidance in front of us…and we deliberately disregard it. And here you are, stuck on Adam.
What you SHOULD learn from Adam (AS) is his humility. He sought forgiveness for a mistake about which he did not even have an in-depth understanding about. He sought forgiveness for a mistake he may very well have committed with good feeling and intention toward his Rabb. People these days don’t even seek a fellow HUMAN’s forgiveness when they hurt someone accident or even on purpose…khudaa se maafi maangna is a far-fetched notion for them…yani door ki baat hai. And here you are stuck on Adam (AS)…stuck once again…on a needle in a haystack…stuck on hair-splitting…as opposed to looking at the religion and its prophets and its principles overall on the whole. And you believe this tang-nazari…and fine, fine, super-fine, super-duper bareeeeekkkkkk attention to detail…to be a form of higher intelligence on your part. LOL.
Even atheists and liberals can manage to leave religious people to their beliefs in peace. But here you are…yet again…trying your darndest to get people on the forum to abandon their religion…with the stubbornness of a chota bacha who doesn’t value a gift…but then will do everything in his power to stop the other kids from playing with it. Get a life, dude. Get a hobby.
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Peace Mostar95,
Of’coz you’re solely responsible for your all actions and will held accountable. I’m afraid you misunderstood the context of hadith, and people like you, whom, I think, also wandering in darkness leading you more into astray path.
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Sorry folks you are saying this because you have not read the world’s real geological and archaeological history. Humans learned so many so social values long before any religion jumped unto this planet. For example look it at this
Humans existence on earth has been proven more than 100,000 years. Religion tells you that Adam came only 10,000 years ago.
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I am sorry but you guys are wandering into darkness - I came out it long time ago.
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Yes definitely people like us can leave you alone. But unfortunately these are you who knock our doors and feel your moral responsibility to set out on the “truthful path to your imaginary heaven” and when we refuse you want to behead us as your texts are full of killing the infidels.
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Yeah yeah yeah…so the average Musalman is out to behead you? The average Muslim is just trying to get through his day and take care of his or her family. Were your baap-daada-pardaada not Muslim? Did not a Muslim woman bring a fool like you in this world? Were they decent or did they go around beheading people.
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They gonna come and get the average musalman as well - as Daesh and Taliban are the true representative of Islam!
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Has anyone ever seen any post of Mostar making any sense at all? Everything garbage and absolutely no substance, no logic, no material, no reasoning…just a whole load of crap.
I just feel so sorry for this guy
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**Reply krne se pehle km se km ye dekh lena chahye k sawal kon puch rha hai 
Sb ko yahan pta hai k us ne ye Hadeeth post kr k zaeef ya sahi ka pucha q hai…coz he knew the answer aur usey pta tha k is mein se jhooti mann gharat baat nikali ja sakti hai…n aap k jawab ka jawab b us ne ready kr k rakha hua tha pehle se hi…
In logo k pass folders ready hote hain jin mein inki research k links hote hain, aur research ka sirf aik hi topic hota hai!!
Ye Hadeeth hamari, jin ki ye hadeeth wo Nabi 
hamare, jis ne unko Nabi bna kr bheja wo Allah hamara (coz ye tou usko mantey hi nae), Deen Islam hamara, Quran hamara, ajr o sawab hamara, gunah bhi hamarey…
Pta nae is k aur is k jeso k payt mein maror aur serr mein dard q hota hai !!
Isko kisi qism ka jawab dena fuzul hai q k aap ki baat ka jawab ye seedha gustakhi kr k hi dega!**
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It’s funny. People post threads about being critical of religion and these people think we are coming to their houses and forcibly making them engage in haram acts and denouncing their religion entirely. Yet, historically and even today it is people who are dedicated to their religion that are the ones shoving morality down the throats of others.
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You are always mentioning the “atheists and the liberals” of the gora variety as some talking point and it looks pathetic. You really think that when we are critical of religion we are doing that because we want to imitate them and not because we notice the negative effects of blindly following religion in our community and want that to change.
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i’m sure you are very well aware of GS from past but would rephrase whats being said scores of times before. Nobody gets bothered by a healthy discussion, a valid point, a argument, a logic or any post which has substance in it and which means towards explaining one’s narration. Whats not acceptable is that when someone tries to do that only to offend others, or ridicule someone’s faith or a mere copy/paste from some extinct blog in the wide world of internet.
You can easily take the example that here we have posters belonging to multiple religions. And even if any poster comes forward who may be a christian, jew, hindu etc and says this thread or this post offends me. We’ll make sure that offensive post is removed cuz in the end we want to keep the environment of mutual respect and harmony intact.
And in the end there are well-defined rules of every forum. When you sign-in GS, you are consenting the rules. So if we are expecting you to comply, its not too much to ask.
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Bringing up talking points critical of religion does that exact thing. Many people have an attachment to their religion to the point where criticizing it will get them in their feelings, even if we are not actually insulting anything.
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Peace Mostar95,
Here I or any other can’t do much for you until you remove beams from your eyes, that for sure you don’t wish to remove.
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Peace CAOS,
Shayad ke kisi ke dil mein utar jay kisi ki baat 
Just trying to do my job as it is stated in the Holy Qur’an: “Invite (all) to the Way of thy Lord with wisdom and beautiful preaching; and argue with them in ways that are best and most gracious: for thy Lord knoweth best, who have strayed from His Path, and who receive guidance.”
Mein jaanta hoon ke woh kiya kehny wala hy lekin phir bhi aise baat kahi is soch mein shayad woh sahi raasty ki taraf a jay
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Could you please explain what was the purpose of this vicegerent to be sent to the Earth? To show it to the mountains? seas? the animals who can not speak? Or to show it to the plants on earth?
Or a Solar system level to show it to - Jupiter? Or Saturn?
On on galaxy level to Alpha Centauri - the nearest star to us other than our sun?
On a intra galaxy level to Andromeda galaxy?