Sindhi Language on Identity Card

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..lets be clear about official language and national language first....

Hindi is the official language .....and it has god knows how many national languages....prob more then 30 ...
INDIA works on a Multi-national model ....hence it acknowledges diversity and appreciate and promotes it .........and in due course of time..... it will achieve greater harmony..

where as Pakistan works on Two-nation theory ....either muslim or non-muslim .... which is kinda regressive and faulty .........hence creates social Tensions among its various groups ...which in their own ...can be considered as full fledged nations.... like for example Sindhi ...
We have Sindhi Hindus ....Sindhi Muslims ...Sindhi Christians...and Sindhi Parsis.....four religions in one nation.... ...so is Punjabi ... there are Chrisitian Punjabis...Sikhs, Hindus and muslims ... again 4 relions One Nation.....and at the same time....
Muslims Sindhis.... Punjabis... Balochs...and Pashtoon.... as the other side of the coin ..... 4 nations ...following One Religion...

so first need is to correct this anamoly and then move forward..

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That’s just confusing. :mudhosh:

All I’m saying is that the official documents should be in the official language and then you can have a second language in there such as English or Sindhi or whatever. That’s what they do in the Arab countries too for the expats. The important documents are in both English and Arabic.

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But Sindhis want ID card in Sindhis :konfused:

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.our present mess is the result of this very confusion .... so you are not alone ...

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**Summary of this thread:

**1) Initially, in the early days of the country for earlier generation, some people could not speak and did not know any Urdu at all. As such, it would have been imprudent to hand them national identity card in a language they did not really comprehend.

2) Even more importantly, your Identity card is supposed to correctly identify your identity and name, not distort it. Sindhi has 13 more alphabets than Urdu. Consequently, many **Sindhi sounds and surnames cannot be written correctly due to fewer number of Urdu alphabets. **Hence the particular need for national identity card in Sindhi.

3) National Identity card in Sindhi are entirely optional. And a translation in Urdu is easily available. This solves the problem of what to do should you need your Identity card in some other part of the country where Sindhi is not understood.

4) There should be no compulsion in language. Even in colonial times, bureaucrats often had to learn Sindhi and the British used Sindhi for official purposes like recordkeeping of revenue generation.

5)**It is incorrect to believe that a common language can necessarily unify people. **And trying to impose a language to promote common national identity can be disastrous. The case in point being East Pakistan, now Bangladesh, where Urdu was tried to be imposed.

6) There can be unity in diversity as well. Although, for example, leading Sindhi writers have often embraced and promoted Urdu as well, languages like Sindhi are rich and beautiful with a long distinguished history that stretch back to thousands of years. These **are also Pakistani languages and hence they enrich Pakistani culture and heritage as well. **So when people speak, use, or promote these languages, they are helping Pak by not letting the languages that together comprise collective Pakistani heritage wither away.

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^ well said, and this pretty much sums the whole thread.

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Unlike Urdu which has the ability (abused by many people) to absorb other languages, how would English work? English is totally foreign language.

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Have forms, channels etc in sindhi but what about "national" in id cards? What if that said person goes to somewhere else in Pakistan and there is no translator available? Aren't you being a little rigid? :)

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This can also be summarized as this:

1) Regional languages should be promoted in school and at literary level with govt support, but national language should also be given equal importance and moreover should be used on national assets including ID cards, legal system etc.

2) That some sounds are not covered by alphabets in the national language is a** very weak argument, we have passports written in english where there is no alphabets to cover for several sounds from Urdu, Sindhi or Punjabi.** If we are fine with our names written incorrectly in English (a foreign language), we should not have any problem with our own national language. We are born in Pakistan where national language is Urdu, so learning it is by default and should not be taken as compulsion.

3) A common language does HELP uniting people. If people are able to freely communicate with each other, that helps overcoming lot of misunderstandings which otherwise appear due to translation related problems. Having lived in Germany, Russia, France I do know how big a difference it makes to have one national language. Urdu should be promoted, just as English is being promoted. That East Pakistan became Bangladesh is a different story and has a combination of different geo-political reasons not relevant to this discussion. If you want, we can start a thread about that topic.

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[quote=“Jolie”]

nope you wrong,people have choice of 3 languages english,hindi and official state language
and majority of time it’s state language on all government related documents like voter card,bond papers e.t.c
only stuff like passport, licence,pan card are in english.
here is a example of voter card in telugu

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[quote=“babloos”]

how many / which languages are the official state languages used in India?

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I'm just saying that people carrying Sindhi CNIC don't face any problem in areas where Sindhi is not understood. My cousins work in Islamabad and they have CNIC in Sindhi, they never feel it necessary to convert it into Urdu, although they have option available.

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same as the table which you posted in first page..

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Hence proved Wikipedia is not always unreliable :D

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officially there are 18 languages which include their own written script not borrowed,unofficially there are more then 1000 languages

plus there are 4 classical languages tamil,sanskrit,kannada,telugu which have history more then 1000 years compare to newer languages like hindi,oldest being tamil

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wow 18 languages with original script. Isn't it difficult when different states exchange documents written in state languages?

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Very sad...
I think, the reasons are ethnic and emotional as politicians/waderas spread hate that Urdu is language of punjab and punjab exploits Sindh. So they can use sindh card and punjab card and keep their business alive...
See! What is happening in karachi in the name ethnicity. Being so proud of one language is one reason that can make us hate others.
Few days back, I saw some wall chalking of punjabi qaum parasti sologans, but I being punjabi would hate to see such organization get some public attention. I am pakistani and accept urdu as national language wholeheartedly. it is not inferiority complex rather i m confident enough that it cannot affect my native langauge.
P.S. My home town is near the city of Waris Shah (aka Shakespeare of punjabi)

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Very Well Written!

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Good to know about your vicinity of the great Waris Shah.

Let me clear one thing, there is no bias in Sindh about Punjabi language. People do talk against issues like Kala Bagh Dam but they revere Abida parveen like their mother who sung Bhulleh Shah. We have been brought up listening to Heer Waris Shah, Bulleh Shah and Sachal sarmast's Punjabi kalam.

There is neither any movement against Urdu language. As I mentioned earlier in this thread almost all famous Sindhi writers wrote in Urdu.

Moreover this is a false assumption that if you love your language that means you automatically hates other language. I myself love my mother tongue, but I read Urdu literature more than Sindhi. My thinking process goes not in Sindhi but Urdu. There is no lesson I got from my surrounding to hate any of the language.

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Thank you. :hat:


Yes I agree that along with regional languages, national language should be given importance, and Urdu is indeed given a lot of importance in Pakistan so that point is moot. If a few people do not have an ID card in Urdu then they are not doing it out of any spite or hatred and that does not in any way put it in jeopardy.

It may look like a weak argument to some but it is no trivial matter for those who are directly affected by distortion of their names and identity in their Identity card. Moreover, very few Pakistanis have passports and passports are in an international language i.e. English out of necessity because of course if people wish to travel to London or Dubai or anywhere outside the country, a passport entirely in Urdu or other similar language would be incomprehensible and hence pretty much useless there. Furthermore, everyone learns the national language in Pakistan and most people do so happily; that is not the bone of contention here at all.

Languages unite when they are not forced. And no one here is disputing the significance or need of having a national language i.e. Urdu as a lingua franca between different groups of people in Pak. As for misunderstandings and translation issues, the point has been made earlier in this thread as well that thanks to the media and schooling, most people of this generation know and are able to communicate in Urdu quite well. And yes, attempts to impose Urdu on Bangalis led to riots and bloodshed and were one of the first major impetuses that led to the alienation of Bengalis and their eventual secession. I think it would be unreasonable to deny that.