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Originally posted by CoolDude:
**So then what is the purpose of a Muta?

It can't be to control Fornicating.. cos you can fast to control your desires.

Do you think it might have been allowed by men just for the pleasures of men? I can't see what benefit a woman would get out of a temporary marriage. After all the 'Nikah' has been designed so that women have the security of a man by their side to support them and their children...**
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cooldude mutah was first practiced during the time of war in iran , I believe..
lot of young married womens husband were in a war so to avoid any corruption(prostituion) mutah was introduced so that young women can get married again cuz they dont know whether there husband would be alive or not..
If you take four wives as an example any non muslims would take it as a religious way to satisfy a sexual desire but no..we all know the reasons..!
I think mutah also might have the same reasons or the positive aspects of it, any non shia would also take it the same way as non muslims would take about having four wives right?its vice versa!
Again I'm no one to say whether it is right or not so donnt shower me with the verses saying its completely wrong or anything like that cuz shias nowadays dont practice it anyways..

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Thanks for the info. Why don't they practise it then?

I've read somewhere that scholars in Iran have made it legal. I've even heard of temporary marriages lasting a few hours.. If you say it was introduced to curb prostitution etc, then that sounds like extreme circumstances to me. Same as you can say 'kufr' if your life is in danger or you can eat pork if there is no other food.

Would you agree then that it is a wrong practice for today's society?

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Marriage is a LIFETIME commitment NOT a contract!!! NIKAH is a LIFETIME commitment, NOT a contract!!!

You can’t just TEST someone if he/she is good in sex and than you will marry permanently. Its stupid, its immoral and its NOT part of Islam that Mohammad brought!

You guys need lessons in logic and rational thought before lessons in Islam.

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First you say mutaa is good, then you say you will think it over twice before you did it, and so will you tell your sis/daugter to do. It just doesn’t add up does it?

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watcher even a lifetime cmmitment can also last for only hours it all depends on intentions. lot of ppl get married to get sex and divorce right away.why?.intentions my friend..
as far as mutah is concerned I guess intention plays a vital role in a relationship its not all sex ,slavery which is in yer negative mind! try to be optimistic sometimes

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Cool dude I’m glad you comprehended in a rational way unlike some ppl, well it is legal no doubt about that but not practiced widely.
Personally I dun agree with it..lot of shias would be on my side too cuz it doesnt seem appopriate

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sunnah chahti ho to sunoh
BHOW BHOW!!

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Thats a very positive note from Shah Jahan after a long time. I think he was trapped with saying things…

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In my view its something like slavery which became rarer after time and was not to be followed in modern world. There is no need to follow it nowadays.

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Sherry same question to you:

WOuld you let someone test you daughter or sister for sex before she gets married permanently?

Marriage is Marriage.

Mut’ah is fulfilling the need of sex in the times of need…now adays people have made it a way to test or see how other person is in bed.

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Marriage ends with divorce, mut’ah ends after its contract time is over.

oh yean and talking about optimistics, I don’t wanna go out of the circle of Islam with thinking too much optimistics…mut’ah is no fun. It hurts innocent people.
It is well established that temporary marriage does not agree with the interests of people because it causes loss to the offspring, uses women for fulfilment of the lusts of men, and belittles the value of a woman whom Allah has honoured.

As temporary marriage was a custom amongst Arabs in the days of ignorance, it would not have been wise to forbid it except gradually, as is the manner of Islam in removing pre-Islamic customs which were contrary to the interests of people. [interests of shia males - to use and have sex with women before marriage]

Anyway answer my question. Please.

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[This message has been edited by The Watcher (edited January 08, 2001).]

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Salaam everyone only this forum made me wanna come back and contribute
my dear watcher has nothin better to do then finding faults in this shia book called Al kafi..i think people have told him many times that not all the hadiths in this books are accepted by the shia scholers..again not all the hadiths in this book are accepted by shia scholers..every shia alim would tell u that any hadith that contradicts Quran is just totally wrong..i think this is so right because we dont believe that our sahi books to be completely right..we only believe in Quran to be totally right..so again read this as many times as u want please..my buddy a1shah must be busy or he would have really gave u ur answer right away

about the mutah thing..Shia believe that it was in the time of Prophet that it started..and it was Umar who stopped it..since shia dont agree with Umar at all then why would they stop it because of Umar..here are all the references

Allah, to whom belong Might and Majesty, said:

(…Except the forbidden women) the rest are lawful unto you to seek them with gifts from your property (i.e., dowry), provided that you desire protection (from sin), not fornication. So for whatever you have had of pleasure (Istamta’tum) with them by the contract, give unto them their appointed wages as a duty. And there is no sin for you in what you both agree (in extending the contract) after fulfilling the (first) duty. Lo! Allah is ever Knower, Wise. (Quran 4:24)

Umar said: Two types of Mut’a were (legal) during the time of the Prophet and I forbid them both, and I punish those who commit it.
They are: Mut’a of pilgrimage and Mut’a of women.

Sunni references:

Tafsir al-Kabir, by al-Fakhr al-Razi, v3, p201 under verse 4:24
Musnad Ahmad Ibn Hanbal, v1, p52

If anyone really wants to learn about it then i suggest they check out this link: http://www.al-islam.org/encyclopedia/chapter6a/1.html

I read it somewhere that it is best to just get married, 2nd best is just not marry at all..but if u cant do any of that then you could do mutah..It is allowed in Islam so does it mean that i will do it? no probably not..we are allowed to have 4 wives so does it mean i will have 4? no i dont think so..there are alot of things we can do in our religion but we just dont find the need to do it

p.s. watcher i didnt even read ur post sorry to say because even you can twist the verse of Quran so why bother paying any attention..like a1shah said i m not here to prove anyone wrong but to shatter ur lies against the shia beliefs

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I didn’t even post any quranic verse yet.

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Why the allegations my friend?

Umer stoped it? When/how/where/why? Any references from bukhari or Muslim hadith books? No I don’t want references from your hadith books, thanks.

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I can give you hadith that it was stoped during the lifetime of the prophet Mohammad and HE stoped it.

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Also sherazz, answer my question that I asked other shia fellas, please:

Would you let me or someone else test your daughter, sister, aunt for sex or be in contract marriage with me or him for 20 mins, 2 hours, 2 days, 2 weeks, 2 months, 2 years???

You got to read my post, other wise you won’t know what I am saying and than you will utter pure non-sense and assumptions about me and other logical stuff which I have been saying in my post.

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READ THE POST OTHER WISE DON’T BOTHER REPLYING!!!

You take it easy my friend.

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Muta'h: One of shiite faith's most unjustifiable practices.
We all already know that,but it should be even more obvious by reading the responses of the shias above.
And Sherazz,
Muta'h is not allowed in islam,it is only allowed in the shiite faith.

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i did give u references from ur sunni books..are u saying there are only 2 sunni books?

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and i posted that link so u can go see ..there is so much more..i just didnt want to paste all of it here..and watcher u should also read my post carefully..i said it is allowed to do it but i wont do it..it doesnt mean that women have no say in it..if they dont want to do it then how can anyone force them to do mutah with them? its just like marriage..if a girl doesnt want to marry somone she doesnt have to..if a girl doesnt want to do mutah with somone then she doesnt have to..its just so simple buddy

ahmed shia people follow the Prophet and Prophets family..they know more about religion then abu bakr or umar etc..i did give u sunni references that umar was the one who stopped it..since umar means nothing to the shias then why would they follow what umar had to say?

watcher give me reference from the shia book that it was Prophet who stopped it and not Umar..u want references from sunni books so i demand the same

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So you would DO it to sister of someone else, but wouldn’t let someone else do it with your sister? Why not?

Also, could you please list the references again.

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Now, why would I want to list the references from your books, which have been altered with, twisted with according to needs of the same shia who say that Mut’ah is allowed as long as it is not done to our sisters and daughters, why would I want to list references from such books who most of the time contradict with quran.

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Watcher thanks a refference from a sunni book will suffice.

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Sherazz the refference you quoted is some little known book tafsir kabir which is not necessarily authentic.I can show you books of tafsir which say lots of wrong stuff,totally against Islam.
There is a reason buddy that the Sihah Sitta are called by that name!Islamic knowledge comes from authntic books not from just any book somebody wrote.

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why is it so hard for u to understand somthing man…u are just so annoying..i told u few times already that i wouldnt do mutah eventough its allowed..i wouldnt marry 4 women eventough its allowed..if somones sister wants to marry somone or do mutah with somone then why does it bother u? a virgin girl has to get permission from her parents in order to do mutah..if she doesnt get it then she cant do it..its not so simple where a boy and a girl says lets do mutah and leave ..u make it seems like its that way..no girl has to do mutah if she doesnt want to..get that in ur head

ahmed i dont care those still are sunni books..there is a reason why shia dont believe in sunni books..all of the sahi sitta contradicts with each other..they all tried hard to make umar abu bakr usman and aisha look as good as Imam Ali..even then they dont succeed

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it is written in MUSLIM that Prophet said if there was to be Prophet after me it would be Ali, but there wont be any Prophet after me..it offended ‘some people’ when i wrote that in my signature

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anyways i didnt want to discuss this here but just trying to show u that ur books cant be trusted

[This message has been edited by Sheraz CT (edited January 08, 2001).]

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[quote]
Originally posted by Sheraz CT:
**Shia believe that it was in the time of Prophet that it started..and it was Umar who stopped it..since shia dont agree with Umar at all then why would they stop it because of Umar..

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Thats strangest reason i have ever heard... U r trying to say that in 10 yrs of Hazrat Umers rule u dont believe in whatever he did. I think he did a marvelous job.. best muslim leader and khalifah.. ruled justly and accordance to Islamic principles.. What do u think about appointing Hazrat Ali as amir when he went to Jurasulem as a conquerer.
About muta... if it was unislamic act to stop it.. where was Hazrat Ali.. did he raised his voive.. sice I cant expect Hazrat Ali to keep out of any unislamic thing going on.. He might had kept quiet in other political things but not anything that that may be harmful for Islam. If Hazrat Ali agreed with hazrat Umer (please find out there are large no. of things he was..) whats problem with you. I know the hate for HSahabas is so great that u are not willing to follow Hazrat Ali ...

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Everyone knows it's wrong and cannot be applied in today's society, so why this pride?

just admit it. Allah is One, he has perfected Islam for us, and Muta has no part in Islam of today.

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Sherazz, aren’t you the one who told me that you have NOT read ANY of your shia hadith books? Right.

I think you having trouble understanding rational thought.

You can’t do it even if YOU want to, because it is NOT allowed and its HARAM!!!

So answer my question again and this time don’t gool-mool it ok please.
I don’t want no commmentary on this, JUST YES ] or NO ] Answer please.

Would you let your parents/you let your sister perform mut’ah???

You take it easy my friend.

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degas i hate the enemies of Imam Ali..yes i hate them with passion..It was Umar who dropped the door on Bibi Fatima..Imam Ali did whatever was the will of Allah..eventough he was suppose to be the leader of Muslims after Prophet but he didnt say anything..they killed his wife but he didnt say anything..its funny u are saying he should have raised his voice about mutah..umar was the best khalifa..yeh right..it was umar who conquered spain with sword..what happend? is islam a great islamic country?

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i dont think so..dont even bother comparing Imam Ali with any of these people..read the virtues of Imam Ali in ur sahi books..then read the virtues of these other khalifa..let me know if they all make sense to u..plz dont even try to compare anyone with Imam Ali

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Sheraz you idiot!Here you go again

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Don’t try to say that sunni books are lies and stuff etc.I simply pointed out to you that there are millions of books out there and that in a discussion you should quote refferences from authentic books…not just any book.If you’ve got to post something from those books on this issue please do otherwise don’t just do bakwas alright?
I don’t come here to read meaningless bakwaas.
I said nothing about your books and so I will appreciate that you don’t say anything about our sahih.You can keep your fights with watcher to watcher!

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It was the WILL OF ALLAH that Ali became the 4th Calipha. Deal with it.

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