Read up about this surah here
It was revealed to reject the idea put forth by “idolators” “idol worshippers” of Mecca, therefore Allah swt used these words “Kaafiroon”. Whereas Allah swt uses other words for Jews, Christians in Quran.
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This is a very familiar phrase but can you translate it please.
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It is Surah Kafiroon from Quran.
"Although it was addressed in the beginning to the disbelieving Quraish in response to their proposals of compromise, yet it is not confined to them only, but having made it a part of the Quran, Allah gave the Muslims the eternal teaching that they should exonerate themselves by word and deed from the creed of kufr wherever and in whatever form it be, and should declare without any reservation that they cannot make any compromise with the disbelievers in the matter of Faith"
From the same text you have linked above
Kufr is translated as disbelief
and Kafir is translated as a disbeliever
If you continue and read the actual translation and the tafseer of
the Surah which isnt included in the link above you will see
That a kafir or disbeliever was one who did not accept Prophet
Muhammad's (PBUH) message ..... and this included the yahood
and nasara
The Quran is not just meant for the Quraish or the idol worshippers
it is for the whole mankind
Please read the whole tafseer over again and more info on it
I do not wish to argue
Nor do i wish to change your understanding
And i will not reply any further
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What do you mean by "Personal relationship"?
I am not aware of that, do Christians really celebrate Passover?
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Personal realationship is almost as simple as stated. It is a relationship where God, through prayer, is able to aid and influence a Christian in all aspects of life.
Passover is celebrated for two reasons - one is the same as the Jews, which Christians accept as a legitmate part of their heritage; the second, in rememberance of the "Last Supper". the last Passover that Christ celebrated with the disiciples before his crucifiction.
Old Man may correct me here, but, I believe the prohibition against pork was removed when Peter was told to preach the Gospel to the Gentiles, and, that their food was fit for all. Peter protested against going against the Jewish laws he had known all his life, but was told not to call unclean what God had called clean.
But, I'm admittedly no Biblical scholar!
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some christians dont eat pork
As a lifelong seventh-day Sabbath-keeper, Dr. Kellogg was well acquainted with the Old Testament and undoubtedly took very seriously the admonition of God not to eat pork. Additionally, he obviously understood the old addage that “you are what you eat.” After reading the results of Dr. Kellogg’s research, few thinking individuals would want to have pig meat as a part of their bodies!3
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Old Man may correct me here, but, I believe the prohibition against pork was removed when Peter was told to preach the Gospel to the Gentiles, and, that their food was fit for all. Peter protested against going against the Jewish laws he had known all his life, but was told not to call unclean what God had called clean.
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Absolutely correct, Mrpockets.
The whole issue was discussed at a meeting where ALL Christians leaders, Apostles, Disciples were and it was decided unanimously that God through the Holy Spirit told them no laws of the Jews are to be placed on the new Christians. The meeting is discussed in Acts.15.
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Absolutely correct, Mrpockets.
The whole issue was discussed at a meeting where ALL Christians leaders, Apostles, Disciples were and it was decided unanimously that God through the Holy Spirit told them no laws of the Jews are to be placed on the new Christians. The meeting is discussed in Acts.15.
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So it wasn't part of original revelation to Jesus, it was a "Holy Spirit" message to followers/scholars/disciples/leaders ?
Can you further elaborate on this "Act 15"? Thanks.
Can someone please explain more clearly what is meant by "Personal Relation with God"?
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So it wasn't part of original revelation to Jesus, it was a "Holy Spirit" message to followers/scholars/disciples/leaders ?
Can you further elaborate on this "Act 15"? Thanks.
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how about
**2/256 no compulsion in religion
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how about
**2/256 no compulsion in religion
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are you asking a question? or attempting to answer?
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The Ten Commandments are the Old Testament/Covenant which God made with the Jewish people. We read in Deut.5v2-3 that Moses said: The Lord our God made a covenant with us at Horeb. (The mountain where the Ten Commandments were given to Moses) It was not with our fathers that the Lord made this covenant, but with us, with all of us who are alive here today.
This covenant are contained in the Ten Commandments: Moses was there with the Lord…And he wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant - the Ten Commandments. - Ex.34v28. The Old Covenant was only between God and the Israelites as various parts of Scripture shows, other nations did not form part of this Covenant. Laws/regulations that should also be kept by other non-Israelites, are specifically named such as the Day of Atonement: “This is to be a lasting ordinance for you: On the tenth day of the seventh month you must deny yourselves and not do any work - whether native-born or an alien living among you…” -Lev.16v29
When Jesus came, he replaced this Old Covenant/Testament with a New Testament/Covenant which is for all people, not just for the Israelites as was the Old Covenant. Jesus said: "This is my blood of the covenant… - Mark.14v24. This is the reason Paul quote Jesus as: The Lord Jesus…saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood; do this, whenever you drink it, in rememberance of me”. Jesus’ new covenant is a Covenant of Grace. Since Jesus, we do not need to keep the Law (Old Covenant) but fall under a New Covenant. Christians practice Holy Communion in order for them to remember Jesus’ crucifixion (broken bread = Jesus’ broken body) and to celebrate the new covenant (wine = blood of Jesus).
A new covenant was needed because the old one was mainly between God and the Israelites. It was based on Laws/Regulations which no-one could keep. If you do not keep one small part, you were liable for the curse of the covenant as per Deut.28v15-68. Paul summed it up by stating: All who rely on observing the law are under a curse, for it is written: "Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law. " Deut.21v33…Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us…He redeemed us in order that the blessing given to Abraham might come to the Gentiles through Jesus Christ, so that by faith we might receive the promise of the Spitir…Before this faith came, we were held prisoner by the law…Now that faith has come, we are no longer under the supervision of the law. - Gal.3v10-25.
In fact, if you believe that the Bible’s Old Testament has been compromises, as Islam believe, then it is impossible to know when you do trespass any Law given by God. The Prophet Muhammad did not replace the Law of Moses, as far as I know. The Law is therefor still intact and must be kept to the letter, unless you have a new Covenant, such as the one of Grace. That is, you rely not on your keeping the Law (which you can’t keep since some commandments might not be known) to be saved, but rely on the saving Grace by faith in Jesus Christ as pointed out by the New Testament writers.
In clarification of Acts.15, I quote:
Some men came down from Judea to Antioch and were teaching the brothers: "Unless you are circumcised, according to the customs taught by Moses, you cannot be saved…So Paul and Barnabas were appointed, along with some othe believers, to go up to Jerusalem to see the apostles and elders about the question…When they came to Jerusalem, they were welcomed by the church and the apostles and elders, to whom they reported…Then some of the believers who belonged to the party of the Pharisees stood up (same party Paul originally belonged to} and said, “The Gentiles must be circumcised and required to obey the law of Moses {Ten Commandments and all other regulations like the prohibition of eating of pork}.” The apostles and elders met to consider the question…they sent the following letter:…It seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us not to burden you with anything beyond the following requirements: You are to abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals, and from sexual immorality… The new Christians (non-Jews) did not have to keep the laws of Moses in future (including the one on pork). The fact that they included the Holy Spirit in their judgement, shows that they consider that God through the Holy Spirit lead them to the decision.
Hope I did not bore you with the long post 
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Can someone please explain more clearly what is meant by "Personal Relation with God"?
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Many people know of Mr. Nelson Mandela, few KNOW him. Few people has a personal relationship with Mr. Mandela and whose names he know.
The same for a personal relationship with God. Not a relationship knowing of a God sitting somewhere far off and looking in on the world, but rather a God that is personally involved with what is happening day-to-day. A relationship by which you can discuss the hardships of the day past, or the challenges of the day laying ahead. A God whom you can talk/ask to help you out and see how He change things around for you during the day, all for the better. A relationship by which you could take your troubles to God and KNOW He will help. A relationship where you can just talk as if God is the best friend you have. An informal relationship. A relationship which Enoch had of whom it was written Enoch walked with God; then he was no more, because God took him away. A relationship where you can call God "Abba Father" as Jesus taught his disciples.
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Many people know of Mr. Nelson Mandela, few KNOW him. Few people has a personal relationship with Mr. Mandela and whose names he know.
The same for a personal relationship with God. Not a relationship knowing of a God sitting somewhere far off and looking in on the world, but rather a God that is personally involved with what is happening day-to-day. A relationship by which you can discuss the hardships of the day past, or the challenges of the day laying ahead. A God whom you can talk/ask to help you out and see how He change things around for you during the day, all for the better. A relationship by which you could take your troubles to God and KNOW He will help. A relationship where you can just talk as if God is the best friend you have. An informal relationship. A relationship which Enoch had of whom it was written Enoch walked with God; then he was no more, because God took him away. A relationship where you can call God "Abba Father" as Jesus taught his disciples.
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Outstanding explanation, Old Man! I would have made a complete mess of what you have stated so eloquently!!
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Do the jews have the same way of slaughtering animals as the muslims?
Many scholors in Islam say that Isaac may be the one who was being sacrificed as mulims we do not differentiate between Isaac and Ishmael both were children of Abraham.
secondly Islam does say that the Beni Israel were the chosen people.
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Since this thread has been brough back to life, I’ll reply. Prophet Mohammed PBUH is given Quran, which describes most of what is permissible and what is not so Muslims do not have to look upto Law of Moses to know if they have trespassed any. There are many traditions which tell of what is good and what is not (halaal, makrooh i.e. good, acceptable, disliked etc.).
No you didn’t bore me but the actual answer I was interested in came late :D, thank you for your efforts.
From what you have posted above, it seems like that it wasn’t Prophet Jesus AH who allowed consumption of pork, but the “apostles and elders” who “consulted” Holy Spirit which in turn made it permissible. Pls correct me if I’m wrong in my understanding.
Little Human, thats what I know as well that Jews slaughter animal the way Muslims do, also I have been told that they go beyond what we do. They keep meat salted for some time which cleans it further.
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*Originally posted by Changez_like: *From what you have posted above, it seems like that it wasn't Prophet Jesus AH who allowed consumption of pork, but the "apostles and elders" who "consulted" Holy Spirit which in turn made it permissible. Pls correct me if I'm wrong in my understanding.
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Correct
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Changes Like
Its is addressed to the kafiroon ...the disbelievers
the ahle kitab are not considered believers because who they worship
is not the same God
for example the christians believe in jesus and the holy spirit
that is not god
and for the jews ... they read that god created the heavens and earth
and rested on the seventh day
Allah subhanahu wa ta'la is not human or an angel and he doesnt
need to rest
therefore Allah swt is not who the christians and jews worship
so the surah is also addressed to them because they do no believe
in Allah
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Perhaps.
But where do you think the idea of God came from if not the Jews? Or Christians?
The Bible/Torah says that God did indeed rest on the seventh day. As do muslims on their saturday. Why shouldn't God rest? I often think about God and believe that he definately deserves a rest from us. We probobly drive him crazy with our wants and needs and our questions. Just as a child does his parent. A being with never ending and most of the time unanswerable questions.
Do Muslims take the bible lightly? Obey some laws, disreguard others? Or do they hold to their faith in God? As others do. Hold to the fact that God is listening?
How does a Muslim prove that Mohammad's hadiths are what God perscribed? How is that God would bless you and forsake those who worship him another way?
Not even another way exactly. But in a way that was taught through God over generations? One may worship God, I think, without having to explain why.
Why should a christian have to explain why they behave the way they do. God knew what Christians were before christians ever imagined God.
Same as Muslims. God knew he was as right as rain when he decided that he was one with the Muslim believers. Mohammad knew. He also knew that God had feelings for others. Mohammad knew that it. He knew that it would take more than a driveway to pave his point.
I think Mohammad always believed. I believe that Mohammad had faith. I believe he was a good man.
I know you do.
Is it incomprehensible to believe that God makes his way among all people?
So Peter said, "Brothers, you all know that God chose me from among you long ago to preach the good news to the Gentiles, so that they also could believe. God, who knows mens hearts, confirmed the fact that he accepts Gentiles by giving he the Holy Spiriit, just as he gave him to us.
He made no distinction between them and us, for he cleansed their lives through faith, just as he did ours.
And now are you going to correct God by burdening the Gentiles with a yoke that neither we nor our fathers were able to bear? Don't you believe that all are saved the same way, by the free gift of the Lord Jesus?
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Its is addressed to the kafiroon ...the disbelievers
the ahle kitab are not considered believers because who they worship
is not the same God
for example the christians believe in jesus and the holy spirit
that is not god
and for the jews ... they read that god created the heavens and earth
and rested on the seventh day
Allah subhanahu wa ta'la is not human or an angel and he doesnt
need to rest
therefore Allah swt is not who the christians and jews worship
so the surah is also addressed to them because they do no believe
in Allah
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If so?
Please explain
- Judaism believe in a Messiah that will come to rule the world, Islam believe that Jesus will return at the end of times to teach/lead all people to believe in Allah.
(though christians believe that Jesus will come to judge the living and the dead.. he all ready taught about Allah.)
But forget that. Foget the differences. My believe is God came in many different ways to many different people. He came to them in ways they could accept and understand. Ours is not to question why, only to believe. Only to have faith.
If one believes that God created Adam in his own image..and created Eve as his mate..seems logical that one would be able to understand that God is everywhere. He is with all his children always. He is in your heart and soul. If you listen you can hear. He is your conscience and your guide.