What do you guys think? Personally my view is we needed him now against SA and he dropped out citing family reasons. I think maybe Rashid is creating too many waves and after this series there seems little point in bringing him back. I have never been a big fan of players picking and choosing when they want to play but if it was against Bangladesh or Zimbabwe I wouldn’t mind, but to drop out against the 2nd best team in the world midway through a series didn’t impress me much. Against NZ either stick with Moin or if his wicket keeping isn’t up to the mark then get Humayun Farhat or Kamran Akmal in. If we can get through this test series without Rashid I’m sure we can manage afterwards as well.
This is not a unique case of players from any country sitting out for whatever reason. Yes he should have been here but clearly he needed a break to think things over and revitalize his resources. Imagine he just going through his motions, that would have not been fair. Moin, with all his short comings atleast was trying to make a come back, to make a point But he just wasnt upto it. Yes we can always bring Kamran and Farhat but i would give Rashid another series to see if he is charged enough because if he is, you can bet that he will perform.
Rashid in the ODI's against SA didn't perform very well and I go along with Xtreme here that if Moin does not perform well during the second test agsinst SA then lets try the new comers instead of going back to Rashid.
My point is if we can get by without him in this series then we can get by without him against NZ as well. I would give him an extended break so he can re-charge his batteries properly and then review the situation after that. Rashid's wicket keeping hasn't been great either so Moin or Rashid is same difference.
Once a player drops out of the Pakistan national team voluntarily he shouldn't expect to walk back in on his own terms when he feels like it.
I say, forget him. He is a good keeper and all, but we can't just send Moin back and bring Rashid. Stay will Moin or bring Akmal.
There can be only one keeper, and there are three candidates. Who will PCB pick...
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Rashid's wicket keeping hasn't been great either so Moin or Rashid is same difference.
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Rashd wasnt dropping straight forward cathces like Moin did. he was dropping difficult ones and agaisnt spinners he was still great wheeras moin was struggling against spinners.
Though no need for comparison but i think he should be given a last chance to prove that he still has it in him.
Moin dropped one straightforward catch and Rashid dropped a similar one against England. If I see Moin drop too many more simple chances then I agree he should go. But as a point of principle I don't want Rashid back in the side against NZ.
Give one of the youngsters a go in that case. Players should be busting a gut to play for their national team and if they aren't then they shouldn't be playing.
Moin dropped two staight forward chances, and it was hertbreaking to see because iw as hoping for a strong comeback from him. Anyways it happens....
Lets say we stick to some youngsters for a few series and they continuously fail to deliever, knowing that we have a better choice. Selection committe should be sure that Rashid and Moin both are finished than we should try out youngsters, atleast that way both Rashid and Moin would be out of picture , making thier decisions easy.
saby, no one is bigger than the team and when players start dropping out of big series like this one halfway through then they can't expect that they will walk back in.
How bad can the youngsters be? Let them play against NZ, if they don't perform Rashid can be re-called after that if necessary. Who knows, maybe Moin will have a blinder in the next match, he didn't look like he'd lost any of his batting skills.
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Who knows, maybe Moin will have a blinder in the next match, he didn't look like he'd lost any of his batting skills.
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well i certainly hope so that he pulls off a blinder and cement his place, coz he isnt in the team as a batsman, his main job is to keep and keep well.
Xtrame, i m totally in favor of young players taking reins, but wicket-keeper is such a key position. He is the only player who can watch everyone else in the ground, give tips to captain, note when a batsman is getting edgy, tell bowlers that you are making this mistake etc etc. I just dont see any youngster confident enough of his abilities to do most of the things mentioned above. Cant they learn all this?? yes they surely can. With only keeping Moin or Rashid in the team for a little while longer, thats why i said that keeping a younger keeper in the squad is a good move; he can move around with the team, can watch his senior play and learn. Thats the proper step to move forward (in wicket-keeping dept. only)
saby you are picking one or two bad moments of Moin but just like you mention the importance of the w/k position in the field, you then have to acknowledge what Moin brings to the team. For me it was great to hear him yakking away behind the stumps again with all his "shabash Dani beta" stuff and the rest. Moin's a born fighter and players like that have their own value.
I didn't have a problem with Rashid before but I don't like to see senior players missing the big challenges and coming back for lesser ones. That's my take on it.
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saby you are picking one or two bad moments of Moin but just like you mention the importance of the w/k position in the field, you then have to acknowledge what Moin brings to the team. For me it was great to hear him yakking away behind the stumps again with all his "shabash Dani beta" stuff and the rest. Moin's a born fighter and players like that have their own value.
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Thts why i said that presence of Moin or Rashid is necessery for the time being for exactly the same fighting spirit. When it comes to the contest between the two, thats for selctors to decide whom to pick but if Moin can pickup his game and perform like he used to , i would prefer Him over Rashid. That is , ONLY IF he improves dramatically. But i dont support a lone youngster in the squad as a wicketkeeper for the time being.
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saby, no one is bigger than the team and when players start dropping out of big series like this one halfway through then they can't expect that they will walk back in.
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Why not?
If you are making his "break" on his own "will" a issue, I am afraid you have to sideline Shoaib Akhter before any other player in the Pakistani team.
You cant compare keeping of Moin and Rashid. Moin often drops simple catches and stumps. ODI series against SA was a bad series for Rashid according to his standards but he was still ahead of Moin who seems to be in his "normal" form.
The only advantage you get of Moin is in batting department. With Pakistan's top and middle order performing you dont need to add a "better batsman" at the cost of "best keeper"
Everyone knows how politics goes in PCB (so i am not sure if he will be allowed to play) but if someone ask me I am for Rashid than anyone else at the moment.
Shoaib was sidelined after the WC and he learned his lesson. And believe me Shoaib will always be a far bigger loss than Rashid.
I think we should not get too involved in this controversy re Moin V Rashid. Both have plus and minus points. I prefer Moin because of the extra zest which he brings to the game and his constant encouraging of his bowlers. Rashid on the other hand is a very good W/K. On recent performances there is not much to choose between them, they both performed below their high standards. I agree with Xtreme he should not pick and choose his series.
My question to you is that if he was still the captain, would he have skipped such a vital series?
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My question to you is that if he was still the captain, would he have skipped such a vital series?
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I think after his ban/resignation from captaincy his w/k has fallen below his own standard. May be he doesn't feel like being important in the team anymore but that should not allow him to take it easy. He has been playing "I am retiring", "No I am not retiring" game too which is not good for any player. I really thought that a youngster will get a chance when Rashid opted to leave test series, but hey its PCB at work.
i think he's not happy with the way pcb has treated him. that to me is the main reason y he dropped out and is now analysising whther he shd continue or not. his problem is that he is too fair n honest and cant resist anything wrong that goes on around in pak cricket. n that thing also effected his game as was evident in the odi's
i think he shd just stay quite n care only abt his own game. if he does that there is no doubt in my mind that he can play for another yr, if not two.
as for moin, he was disapointing behind the stumps. we need a keeper, not a batsman! if we get a keeper who does his job almost perfectly and is a gd bat as well, then that is an added bonus. doesnt matter wat moin does with the bat, as long as he keeps dropping sitters. if rashid isnt there, then i'd rather play zaman or akmal as keeper, or even taufiq, if need be...
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. On recent performances there is not much to choose between them, they both performed below their high standards. I agree with Xtreme he should not pick and choose his series.
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i think we shd stop this culture of dropping players if they don perform in a series. just in the test series against bangl he had 18 dismissals in 3 tests! so i think we can forgive rashid for dropping a couple catches against Sa in the 5 odi's.
i think rashid shd feature in the next couple of series, then if he doesnt perform, then either he will retire himself, or then he shd be dropped. moin's dayz as keeper, i fear, r numbered unless he can step up n do a better job behind the batsmen
Pakistan should stick with Moin from now on till the New Zealand test series.
If you are going to bring the poor guy in, atleast give him proper chance.
He was horrible behind the stumps, but lets see how he performs.
Rashid is finsihed.
gd joke! 