Should the PTI continue to grieve over ‘stolen’ seats?

Really interesting article.

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“One cannot lose if he does not accept defeat … and in PTI’s dictionary, defeat does not exist.”

Imran Khan said to his supporters in Lahore on October 4th, while other PTI leaders standing behind him softly chuckled.

In the context of a democratic election, does this statement hold true?

Despite the rhetoric, on Sunday, by a close margin of 4,031 PML-N’s Sardar Ayaz Sadiq held his seat against PTI’s Aleem Khan in NA-122.

In George Orwell’s Animal Farm, a satirical allegory on Russian totalitarianism, lead character Napoleon plays to the base needs of his followers who chant, “Napoleon is always right.” They are told to envision a utopia, where there would be no corruption and equality amongst the classes. But goals promised are never truly defined nor real solutions offered.

It becomes a dangerous thing when citizens fail to ask tough questions, developing a cult of personality following to their leader. Ultimately, left unchecked, Napoleon becomes a tyrant worse than the original leaders of Animal Farm.

Khan also promotes a utopia: a corruption free Naya Pakistan. During his rallies, he rouses his young followers with catchy slogans and lofty promises (and here and there makes some unconstitutional demands).

In between each promise made, a neutered version of the unruly Gullu Butt, a tame DJ Butt, plays a carefully synchronised song. The crowds are encouraged to chant and dance, before having much opportunity to reflect on what was said.

Playing upon religious and historical references of purana Pakistan’s founders Quaid-e-Azam and spiritual head Allama Iqbal, Khan urges for a more “Islamic” and idealistic state; a state that prides itself in the stern implementation of justice.

But, is there justice in this dystopia for women killed in honour killings, for minorities deprived of religious freedoms, or millions of children enslaved in forced labour? No.

The party’s leadership does not rally in the streets to end these injustices. Justice is also not reserved for those killed by the Taliban. Khan has advocated forgiveness and talks as the solution, even after the horrifying APS school attack.

The stern justice he wishes to unleash is preoccupied with seizing the power of the rulers. Like the revolutionaries in Animal Farm what the advocates of a Naya Pakistan may not have realised is that in Celebrity Khan’s idyllic new world, “naya” soon means old and “justice” ultimately means to usurp the country’s democracy.

Khan’s politics of agitation, allegations of rigging, and long marches are nothing new for Pakistan.

Had he and Tahirul Qadri been successful in overthrowing the government (and system) it would’ve proven a dangerous transition back to the real status quo in Pakistan, in which a weak democracy is usurped by a military dictatorship. This has been the case for nearly half of the nation’s short history.

In one of his recent press conferences, Imran Khan openly invited the army to conduct operations to “cleanse the nation” referring not to terror groups up in arms against the country, but to politicians.

And if one had any doubts after he pleaded with a third umpire to raise his finger and meddle into political affairs, over 20,000 costly posters covered the streets of Lahore, propagating candidate Aleem Khan alongside General Raheel Sharif. It is a stark reminder to the haunting posters, not yet forgotten, of Nawaz Sharif alongside General Zia.

The verdict by Justice Kazim Malik for NA-122, ruled for re-elections based on irregularities but cleared Sadiq Ayaz, or the PML-N, of any wrongdoing. This was widely celebrated as a victory for the PTI by its supporters.

The judicial commission’s report also laid to rest any allegations of systematic rigging. But this has not stopped the PTI’s continued cries of a stolen mandate by the ruling party PML-N.

Can the PTI continue to say their mandate has been stolen, when they have lost many by-elections to various parties oftentimes failing to retrieve even the same vote bank they had in the “rigged” 2013 elections?

A celebration would make sense had the PTI won the re-election for NA-122 but they now face another loss to Sadiq Ayaz.

In 2002, in the same constituency, Imran Khan had lost to Ayaz Sadiq by a substantial margin of 18,893 votes.

Similarly in 1997, when both he and Imran Khan were running under the banner of the PTI, both losing to PML-N candidates, Sadiq still received more votes than the widely popular Khan.

In the 2013 General Elections, Sadiq won against Khan by a margin of 8,945 votes. An audit of the votes later confirmed Sadiq’s win. The audit report found 3,642 invalid votes and 180,000 verified votes, which included 23,639 votes missing signatures of presiding officers and/or stamps but were otherwise ordained as verified and legitimate votes by the commission.

These were referred to repeatedly as “bogus” votes by the PTI, although this is not what the report claimed. (Had they been declared bogus, it would constitute approximately 17 per cent of the total votes, leaving 83 per cent as valid.)

The soft spoken Sadiq not only seems to have a sustained mandate throughout the years in his constituency, but has also earned the confidence of his fellow parliamentarians who voted him speaker of the house with a majority of 258 out of 313 votes. Still, the PTI put up a considerable fight and the gap is getting tighter.

Aleem Khan fared better than Imran Khan against Sadiq and, had he won it, would have been a big blow to the ruling PML-N party.

Like a cruel joke for a country used to seeing it’s elected officials sacked by military rulers, Sadiq was the third National Assembly speaker to be de-seated.

Still, Imran Khan continued to ask for a more “entertaining match”, as he wished to be competing against Nawaz Sharif, not Sadiq.
But one must ask, considering Pakistan’s fragile democracy, its current war against terrorism, and a population suffering from poverty, is there room for a never ending cycle of “entertaining” (yet very expensive) election matches, which may be toying with the mandate of the people?

Could all that money and time be better spent on education and alleviating poverty?

For a party claiming the country’s fight against rotten apples as its very own, controversial Aleem Khan was an unlikely choice for an important reelection which serves as a decisive battle for the PTI. Having a notorious reputation of being part of the land mafia, it is clear he was not picked on merit as much as on the fact that he is one of the biggest donors to PTI.

In an alarming social media message defending his decision, Imran Khan silenced dissent, calling those not in favour of the appointment of Aleem Khan as Trojan horses and the “worst of enemies” of the PTI.

As the popular saying goes, be cautious when you are promised too much too soon. Would Aleem Khan being elected into Parliament, the same one PTI once referred to as fake, really bring back Ibn Khaldun’s glory days and would Imran Khan’s Prime Ministership bring about the emergence of a Pakistani Caliphate? Probably not.

Imran Khan often says he has everything, but the one thing he has never had is power. That is the one of the greatest lusts of man which he is now seeking. At the rally on October 4th he even alluded to the “patience” with which he has been waiting for it. Such lust can corrupt the very best of us.

Hence, PTI supporters must be open to criticism of their leadership, engage in critical thinking, and demand better decision making.

Shouldn’t they demand Khan apologise to his own followers first and foremost that much of his allegations about systematic rigging simply didn’t prove to be true?

The Judicial Commission categorically declared Pakistan’s 2013 General Elections, “…in accordance with the law,” as well as “a true and fair reflection of the mandate given by the electorate.”

Pakistan’s May 2013 elections were also monitored by over 40,000 independent observers. Such is the protocol in fragile democracies to settle cries of rigging and to offer much needed legitimacy to elections. Along with the country’s most esteemed judges comprising the Judicial Commision, that Imran Khan himself praised, these independent organisations saw no evidence of systematic rigging.

There was consensus that the irregularities found were largely due to human error and not on a large enough scale to deem the election not transparent. Unfortunately irregularities to some degree even exist in the elections of the most stable and oldest of democracies, including that of the United States.

Yet, remarkably, mesmerising Khan has managed to continue the rhetoric that massive rigging took place. Is it that hard to fathom that the then bedridden Imran Khan did not win the elections of 2013? Even if he were certain of his loss, would he not accept defeat anyway?

If the PTI is to be a formidable force for much needed change in the country, it’s up to its promising wide-eyed followers to take lead of their party, hold its own leadership accountable, and not buy into rhetoric when it ceases to make sense.

In the meantime, we can at least thank the PTI for pressurising the ruling PML-N party into action.

Re: Should the PTI continue to grieve over ‘stolen’ seats?

excellent article. 2.5 years have been wasted in this syapa of rigging as all problems of 200 million revolve around rigging !

Re: Should the PTI continue to grieve over ‘stolen’ seats?

good article...

some PTI posters are doing propaganda on this forum saying that most of non-PTI guppies believe in this current electoral system, believe that no rigging took place in 2013 elections, believe that rigging is no big deal, and believe that IK demands of cleaning up electoral process are wrong.

this is wrong. the fact is that our electoral process needs to be refurbished big time and whatever betterment has happened to the current election system is absolutely due to PTI and most of us were in agreement with Ik dharna as long as it stayed aligned with conducting election reforms but we opposed it when khan sahib solely stuck to PM's resignation but alas some PTIans will continue doing false propaganda.

anyway, the whole system will not change overnight, pressure shd remain on but the current systme needs to function as well and one main issue has been Imran khan's rhetoric mentality "i dont accept defeat"...this is not a cricket match khan sahib.

every analyst is on board that nA 122 was as fair as it can get in given circumstances but khan sahib refused to accept the defeat and again attributed it to some form of rigging. that is wrong. aisay country kaisay chalay ga.

Re: Should the PTI continue to grieve over ‘stolen’ seats?

Oh please. Why did these non PTI members thrashed and discredit Imran for asking for investigation into four constituencies? Was your democracy really threatened by that? Would those four constituencies have made IK PM or toppled NS? No! This argument went on for over two years. How much support did he get from anti PTI folks in that period? Don't even pretend that likes of you backed him even when his demands were totally fair, flexible and constitutional.

On this forum, I can link countless of posts where people argued that rigging or no rigging it's not like Imran would have won anyway....so it's not like it makes any difference bla bla bla. There had never been strong condemnation, opposition and demand for transparency from anti PTI posters in regards to existing electoral system.

You ask him to somehow transform, reform, revolutionise your electoral system but don't even want to reason with his grievances. Don't even want him to give his opinions. Don't even want him to struggle.

Imran is arguably the only opposition to this system and government, yet likes of you all gather up and gang up to oppose him. He opposes government, you lot oppose him. Not hard to guess who saves whose behind. At least PTIians are honest about who they support and why.

Re: Should the PTI continue to grieve over ‘stolen’ seats?

why does everybody get personal in pa.

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Was there not a stupid discussion on this very forum where the usual suspects made lengthy argument that no rigging took place in Kh. Saad's constituency because they can tell from looking at their crystal ball that all poor, uneducated and working class people voted for PMLN. So Imran is just being silly and wasting time by asking to have the constituency investigated? Shall I link the posts?

But what did the Tribunal say?

Before the crying wolves jump in with how PTIians only accept the orders that go in their favour.....educate yourself and find out the number of PTI members disqualified for rigging after Tribunal's investigation. How many PTIians opposed Tribunal then?

If there's a self cleansing process....it will only end up cleaning PTI too along with others.

Re: Should the PTI continue to grieve over ‘stolen’ seats?

Instead of asking Khan Jee to shut up and put up....

How about all those who silently pretend to care about the system encourage a debate on 'pre poll' rigging? Find out and debate about:

  • what it is, if such thing even exist?
  • how it may impact the voters list and the final results
  • what is the best way to detect pre poll rigging and in future how can you prevent it.

Now ask yourself, will your country really come to standstill, the world will be over and system will crumble if as a country you can have this debate and maybe fix this problem for future elections?

On merit, discuss that what exactly is so wrong and sinful for asking such questions and ECP is asked to clarify whether pre-poll rigging was done or not.

Enough of this mentality that democracy is all about winning and losing....even if 500 hundreds votes were moved out of the area, why were they moved out? ECP officers receive hefty paychecks from taxpayers money to answer your queries!

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what you're saying is a pipedream. implementing it will take more than a decade. not even immy himself can fix it.

Re: Should the PTI continue to grieve over ‘stolen’ seats?

No it's not a pipe dream. You are not a nation of handicapped people. If you start the process now, maybe in 10 years time, you might be able to complete the cycle. NHS wasn't made overnight nor it started producing the results straight away, but people struggled for it everyday until it reached near perfection.

Re-polling in KPK for LG elections, polling in NA-246, NA-122, re-polling in NA-149 all suggest only due to heightened public awareness, media focus and pressure on ECP, it is next to impossible to do rigging on the day. So what's the harm if issue of pre-polling can also be discussed and settled?

Are you really going to suggest that Pakistan is so perfect that the issue of pre-polling does not exist at all, and Imran is hallucinating?

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You lost half of your country because you allowed the issue of electoral injustice to remain unsettled even when the writing was clear on the wall.

So it really it is about time for Pakistanis to develop some shame and stop taking this issue lightly. If you don't like Imran talking about rigging....then fine, ignore him! But for God's sake, stop demonising him and pushing him against the wall as if he's committing some cardinal sin by just mention the R word.

Go and talk about politicians you think talk about more relevant and nice stuff!

Why should Imran shut up because the haters who never ever appreciated him for anything suddenly have yet another issue with him? Imran can dip himself in gold and he still wont be able appease his haters.

Re: Should the PTI continue to grieve over ‘stolen’ seats?

when did i say anything against imran? wth

Re: Should the PTI continue to grieve over ‘stolen’ seats?

I beleive reforms in electoral process should be one of the most important issue and same like apex committee for national action plan , there should be another apex committee for Reforms in elctoral process representing all major parties ( may be some one wud love to have representation of Army as well :-)

This should be a continuous process irrespective of who is in power and who is not. It is not possible to remove one system and get another system which is fool proof. It will take time and continuous effort from all parties.

Re: Should the PTI continue to grieve over ‘stolen’ seats?

OMG
Kill a pig. Make qeema of his meat. Then make kabaab.
Then have 2 discussions.
Should it have been more spicy.
Should it have been less spicy.

WE NEED TO HAVE 3RD DISCUSSION, STOP FEEDING US PIG MEAT.

How retard people have to be, in order to kill their "talking" craving.

Re: Should the PTI continue to grieve over ‘stolen’ seats?

There is already a 'committee' on Electoral Reforms in Parliament (just like there are hundreds of other committees). Maybe instead of throwing tantrums about what IK says or issuing on fatwas on his policies, how about you ask your all so mighty and majority PMLN government that what progress they have made on Electoral Reforms. Let's hear their excuses.

Khan jeeeeeee is neither an opposition leader, nor a minister nor PM or a member of any parliamentary committee....so how about you ask questions of electoral reforms from those who are responsible for bringing it forward? Where are your administrators managing the reforms? Let's see how you make use of your democracy.

Why 24/7 moan and whine about a person who is solely responsible for bringing whatever little or major progress you have in regards to anti rigging measures?

Do others have no responsibility towards fixing the system?

Re: Should the PTI continue to grieve over ‘stolen’ seats?

are you sure this applies to everybody or? :bummer:

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Did someone say pressure should be on? What a joke!

Do you even know what pressure tactics are and how the strategy of pressure works? Yes it means, constantly being on top the issue and seeking public accountability. Exactly what IK is now doing with pre-poll rigging.

So much hypocrisy, honestly.

Re: Should the PTI continue to grieve over ‘stolen’ seats?

There were free and fair elections especially wrt pakistani standards, so stop being a sore looser and move on. I'd bet that ANP would have moved on not that I really like their ethnic politics and trying to be fifth columnists for Afghanistan !

Re: Should the PTI continue to grieve over ‘stolen’ seats?

Imran isn't rejecting the results, or is it?

If he thinks some fraudulent activities were taken place, and voters list was shuffled around in a very suspicious manner, then let ECP come clear and settle the issue. What's wrong with that? Do you know much money goes into your hugely swollen, incompetent bureaucracy? It's not really an end of the world if ECP is asked to raise their standards a little, and start efficiently dealing with issues and queries.

Encourage quick speedy settling of issues from these institution instead of always asking complainant to just put up with it. Same thing happened with four constituencies demand.

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Imran isn't rejecting the results... but then he thought, what am i going to do now?? hell sure i am not able to control the KPK Mafia.... as they are doing whatever they feel like and joining hands with corrupts.... Javed Nasim, QWP comes to mind... KPK is egg on face...

Balochistan...nothing there as well...

Sindh/Karachi... it is a Jalsa a year and statement or two in a year is enough

So what to do... in Punjab... i won't do anything good.. but i have to call in press conference every evening.. what to do????

only one solution comes to mind... lets reject the results.. but how can i do that, people already calls me U-Turn Khan.... what to do... how to get my self busy... oh yeah.. here you go... I haven't rejected the results... ok... but i can cast doubt on the lists...

How to cast doubts on lists... lists are provided to all candidates prior to elections... it were given to us... but who goes into this details... let us create doubt on the lists.. yes lets do that.. i have huge followings and they believe in everything i have to say... i have spent 2.5 years selling this choran... can pass another year or so doing the same...

Re: Should the PTI continue to grieve over ‘stolen’ seats?

Don't mislead us also by suggesting that PML-N would have 'willingly' accepted PTI's demand for a judicial inquiry into the rigging allegations. They delayed and resisted IK's demands for as long as they could before finally caving in under dharna pressure. As distasteful as it is, let's not be in any doubt whatsoever, without dharna there would not have been any judicial inquiry into the rigging.

I am not a fan of dharna or street tamasha (did not support IK's demand of PM resignation) but there were three good outcomes from it

  • The government finally agreed to set up a judicial commission
  • Maryam Nawaz finally resigned as chairperson of PMYDP
  • Ex-CJ's dheet son did not take up the lucrative post (offered to him by CM Balochistan without merit)

A fair comment by Jolie

PD hund dasso!