so another twisted answer, but actually blaminging the intelegance agencies.
Have you ever met any person in KPK?
I know several person, they all are against the war on terror.
How else can you explain people with explosives cross more than 11 check posts (SWA to DI Khan), complete their task and return without anyone intercepting them? whats the use of these security forces when they are good for nothing.
as far as the people of kpk are concerned i am sure they'd be in favour of suicide bombings and terrorism?
There are reasons why smaller provinces have grievances against Punjab. Being the bigger province, Punjab needs to address them and take the provinces forward.
During the past 60 years, Punjab used resources of other provinces while the provinces where they were being produced were kept deprived.
I usually avoid sectarian threads on this forum, but I'm curious to know how is Punjab using resources of other provinces (I'm not Punjabi, btw)?
Also, I remember reading article while back that many of the major companies were relocating from Karachi to various part of Pakistan, namely Punjab, because of law and order problems. Is that an example?
And, also Punjab has 53% of the country's population & naturally its going to have big of share in national institutions (military, govt, etc), but isn't thats how democracy is suppose to work?
BTW, personally, I think to solve this problem existing system should be broken up many more non-ethnic provinces should be created b/c if not I think we may see 1971 all over again in future.
I usually avoid sectarian threads on this forum, but I'm curious to know how is Punjab using resources of other provinces (I'm not Punjabi, btw)?
Also, I remember reading article while back that many of the major companies were relocating from Karachi to various part of Pakistan, namely Punjab, because of law and order problems. Is that an example?
And, also Punjab has 53% of the country's population & naturally its going to have big of share in national institutions (military, govt, etc), but isn't thats how democracy is suppose to work?
BTW, personally, I think to solve this problem existing system should be broken up many more non-ethnic provinces should be created b/c if not I think we may see 1971 all over again in future.
See my post 55. As far as the establishment is concerned (Punjab has more representation as compared to its population), Baloch's have grievance that they while every one else was using gas (they were being deprived). The price for gas well heads of Balochistan is about one third of Punjabs, KPK produces electricity and it is not provided its due share. Before 2008, the resources were being distributed in the provinces based upon their population (only) increasing the disparity between the provinces. This was changed in the 18th amendment. I feel that since smaller provinces dont have that much representation in the establishment, and the results we can see in the form of operations/kill and dump policy as used in Balochistan (and else where). Similar tactics cannot be used in Punjab, its common knowledge as to how terrorists in the province are protected.
I would like to know the figures from PPP’s tenure, and why didnt they balance it?
There is handsome participation of Pakhtoons and Pashtoons in Pak Army. Hiring from other ethnicities depends upon their willingness to join Army. People from other provinces dont find charm in joining army. Ab tarlay minatain kar k to hiring nahi ki jaskti. If i tell you precise reason then it will not easy to swallow for people around.
Instead of respecting people’s opinion on war on terror, you crave for more war?
How many Punjabis are captured from battlefield? Either Punjabi taliban fight on a separate front, or they wear Sulimani topi to avoid prison.
Malik Ishaq is separte case, as no action has been taken against Sipah e Mohammad either.
Massod Azhar was primarily engaged in Jihad e Kashmir, later he joind post 9/11 Afghan war. If he is involved PPP should have taken action against him. Do you think that PMLn had kept PPP from taking action against Massod Azhar?
Army appears to be Punjabi , because Punjabis are more around 58-60% …of Pakistan ..and after Agriculture , Army is their preferred occupation , since they are more …they are more visible then others… beside Punjab Regiment was the only nearly intact institution inherited by Pakistan at birth … and since its is named Punjab … people think its Punjabi …
else the reality is …and i am now quoting a source
“It is outright false and wrong to say such a thing because from the time of Pakistani independence 14 Generals have commanded Pakistan Army. Out of these 14 Generals 2 were British, 4 were Pakhtun, 1 was Hazara, 1 was Baloch, 1 was a Rajput, 3 were Mohajir and 2 were Punjabi.”
" n 64 years after independence, Pakistan has been ruled by 4 Generals for 32 years. These Generals are General Ayub Khan (9 years), General Yahya Khan (3 years), General Zia Ul Haq (11 years) and General Pervez Musharaf (9 years). Not a single one of these Generals was a Punjabi. So much for the myth of a Punjabi dominated army."
…so that duck thing actually goes flying … !!and its rather bad say badnam bura …thingum
a rheotoric repeated so much time and with such force by the anti-punjabi forces that it now appears …as something which it is not …
admittedly its a blog …but it has all the FACTs to prove …that the thing you are defining as Duck is not Duck ..
..although I would say … yes it is a Duck …rather a sitting duck …
…also please check the ethinic compositon of Navy …nearly all non-punjabi domianted …and Air Force… mixed thing .
people often ignore Navy and Air Force …which are a part of Pakistan army ..
...and .... about the Punjab Holucast of 47 ..... and calling it having you cake and eating it too....!!
....Communal Violence's were engineered ... .. by the vested Interest Muslim minotiry ....who wanted to safe guard their interests and privileged potions...
..the FEAR theory was first tested in Bengal ... Aug 46 ... when Jinnah called Direct action day ...in Bengal.....and that unleashed communal violence .....and instilled FEAR of survival in the muslims of that Muslim majority provinces......and after its success....the same strategy was repeated in Punjab.....
...there were no violence's in Punjab ...before 3-4March 47 .......
Sikhs were negotiating with Jinnah and the only caveat was ....where to give them their province.....since they had no clear majority at any place in Punjab ....
so.... on 3-4 March 47 .... Muslim leaques Strong Arm JRAZAKJARS ..... unleashed terror and violence .......they massacred 5000-7000 non MUSLIMS around PINDI area .....and that sealed the FATE.... of Punjab's massacres.... Sikhs were placed at a point of no-return .....ensuring Communal Violence of the worst kind....using Religion as a tool ...
...so yes that was a conspiracy ....
Read : Ishtiaq Ahmed : Punjab Blooded and Partitions ....a magnum opus encyclopedia of communal violence's in Punjab , its an unbiased , objective and comprehensive piece of Research of 20 years of hard work , using British secret papers and original narrative , of those who suffered as well as executed it ... ..it list all how it were started and how it were executed and what were the objective....
Arain is a muslim Punjabi caste, naturally some people from them would be present in Sindh as well (similar to Jatts and Rajputs).
Punjab as such is not an ethnicity, all people living there (in the land of five rivers) are Punjabis. Lahore is called Data ki nagri, and where was Data sahib born? Allama Iqbal is also affiliated with Lahore, although his ancestors were Kashmiris. Who is a Punjabi? The Jatts, Rajputs, Arains, Gujjars, Sheikhs/Kashmiris, Awans and all others living in the land are Punjabis. The land of Punjab (and Sindh) has been absorbing people throughout history and thats its strength.
..yes Punjab has a long history ....well over 5000-6000 years ...even pre-aryan civilzations exits here....
..Greeks called it PENTAPOTAMIA .... in Vedic literature it is known as Panj Nad ....and persian called is Punj aab....
now there is another very interesting theory ...it say .. Punj in Punjab does not means .... 5 rivers ...instead there were 5 races ...that used to live here.... this theory is in its very early stage.... as there isn't even consensus on which were those 5 races....!!!
yes ..the fertility of its soil and richness even of its culture have attracted all ....including the Aryans ..... even Alexander was fascinated by the Wisemen of Taxila ... and took one kalyan as his teacher along with him
Arians ... have been living in Punjab since long ... but they have always maintained their distince separate identity .. ...sometime they appear punjabi ..some time not.......to my knowledge .... Zia was an arian who spoke Urdu ... though his sons .... speak Punjabi .. so its either way.... I personally do not consider him Punjabi ..
....there is even controvery over Bhutto.... he too is being claimed as from arian Caste ... and people refer to Bhutta ,and Bhatti ... as offshoots of it.... Bhutta...became Bhutto in Sindh...this is the theory ..
..and yes people history of punjab as distinct from political history of punjab ] ...is too fluid a subject ...
There is handsome participation of Pakhtoons and Pashtoons in Pak Army. Hiring from other ethnicities depends upon their willingness to join Army. People from other provinces dont find charm in joining army. Ab tarlay minatain kar k to hiring nahi ki jaskti. If i tell you precise reason then it will not easy to swallow for people around.
And if I tell you the questions that were asked in first 30-40 years of "army recruitment" it will not be easy to swallow for people around ;)
"It is outright false and wrong to say such a thing because from the time of Pakistani independence 14 Generals have commanded Pakistan Army. Out of these 14 Generals 2 were British, 4 were Pakhtun, 1 was Hazara, 1 was Baloch, 1 was a Rajput, 3 were Mohajir and 2 were Punjabi."
" n 64 years after independence, Pakistan has been ruled by 4 Generals for 32 years. These Generals are General Ayub Khan (9 years), General Yahya Khan (3 years), General Zia Ul Haq (11 years) and General Pervez Musharaf (9 years). Not a single one of these Generals was a Punjabi. So much for the myth of a Punjabi dominated army."
Who "nominates" a COAS? Do you know what is the "criteria" for picking a COAS? ;)