If JEM’s involvement is proven in Pathankot attack? Should Pakistan proceed with punishing the leadership of this group?
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Why not?
Personally, I do not believe that Pakistan negotiates with India without Kashmir as main issue, but talk is first choice, not armed conflict. It is Government evaluates and decide talk and negotiate. In present expected talk with India, no one has right to assume that Kashmir would not be main issue. But even if it would not be main issue (I mean 'IF') than also, it is against Pakistani interest to sabotage the talk and initiate attack in Indian ... rather, if there is any grievances against talk issues, than it has to be raised with Pakistan government.
Pathankot incident was to sabotage talk between India and Pakistan, talk that (hopefully) may lead to amicable solution of Kashmir too. So, no one has any right to sabotage (or try to sabotage) that talk. Certainly whoever would do that cannot be friend of Pakistan (rather, traitor to the interest of Pakistan).
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If JEM's involvement is proven in Pathankot attack? Should Pakistan proceed with punishing the leadership of this group?
are you kdding me? regardless of pathankot incidence, all these elements should have been eliminated from pakistan. ghazab khuda ka, looook at thier courage. they are challenging our govt and army so openly. FINISH THEM raheel sharif.
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Absolutely, they should be punished.
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One of the biggest reasons why Pakistan has been in a mess is the it has categorized the bad guyz, siding with some while punishing the other, that too at will only. There should be absolute ZERO tolerance against terrorists or rather anybody who breaks the law. And those who are involved in Pathankot, if u dont punish them they are definitely going to bite you back its that simple. We've seen it over and over for several years. Had Pakistan done it before there would be no school attack and there would be no embarassment due to OBL hiding in abbotabad either.
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In the presence of a professional army, one should not need to look towards non state actors to achieve foreign policy objectives. Absolutely the leadership needs to be punished, and it needs to be ensured that these organizations are banned for good.
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If JEM's involvement is proven in Pathankot attack? Should Pakistan proceed with punishing the leadership of this group?
All the Jaish ye Jaish wo, Sipah ye Sipah wo need to be banned completely. No more hate mongering. If anyone feels Islam is in danger, get a life... study the religion and teach it to your kids yourself.
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why not?
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Why is this even a question?
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IIn the past, Pakistan has almost adopted the policy of the enemy of my enemy is our friend. That policy resulted in bad results. Hope that we have learnt from our mistakes, and can recognize evil when we see it
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Absolutely. These same outfits have murdered so many innocent Pakistanis as well. so no sympathy from me whatsoever. All non state actors must be crushed for attaining peace in the region.
Solution 1(probably not acceptable to India at this point)
Maintain political pressure on India to hold a plebiscite in Jammu as per UN Security Council resolutions and respect the will of the people.
Solution 2 (the only viable solution imo and one which should be acceptable to both parties)
Declare line of control as the permanent border between the two countries with free movement of Kashmiris across the Loc.
Else is plain wishful thinking
Denounce militancy and focus instead on human development in the region.
War is not a solution (never is)
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The ball is in Pakistan’s court**
‘WE will not allow our soil to be used against any other country for terrorism.’ This oft-repeated cliché in our official statements has almost become a national embarrassment. A solemn pledge loses all credibility when major militant attacks in other countries are allegedly traced back to our territory.
It is not just cross-border involvement but also the activities of banned outfits at home that raises questions about how much control the state really has within its own domain. Then there is also the question of whether or not we are really serious about getting rid of all violent non-state actors that have become a pervasive challenge to state authority. The Pathankot air force base terrorist attack has yet again brought the issue of non-state actors to the fore.
Surely, it is too early to confirm or deny the Indian allegation of a Pakistani militant group being involved in the incident, but such possibility cannot be completely ruled out given past experience. Pakistan has once again been put in the dock by this latest terrorist incident across the border.
[HR][/HR]It is not just cross-border involvement but also the activities of banned outfits at home that raises questions.[HR][/HR]Unfortunately though, the fact is that the ball is in our court to take the investigation to its conclusion. There is no conceivable gain that Pakistan can make by protecting the same militant groups that have also been responsible for killing thousands of Pakistanis.
Unlike the 2008 Mumbai terrorist attacks carried out by Pakistani-based militants, this time the civil and military leadership have not gone into a state of denial. Some senior officials actually concede that militants could have sneaked across the border.
**One hopes that the 2008 mistake is not repeated. For sure, Pakistan had conducted a comprehensive investigation that provided extensive details of the group involved in planning the Mumbai terror attack. Several of the accused were arrested too, but were freed because of what was described as legal complications. Despite all that evidence, the accused were never punished for using our soil for planning cross-border terrorist attacks. The inaction has provided India a strong whip to beat us with. **The stigma of that attack can never be washed away.
This time, however, there was no outright knee-jerk reaction rejecting the Indian allegation. By assuring India of full cooperation in the investigation and promising to take action against those found involved, the prime minister has shown a degree of maturity not seen before. But it needs more than mere assurances. A lot will depend on how the investigation is conducted and whether the culprits are brought to justice.
What has lent credence to the scepticism of our commitment to act against all militant groups are the continued activities of many of our erstwhile jihadi assets despite the National Action Plan being operative for more than one year. It has been a long time since we outlawed those groups and claimed they have been rendered dysfunctional. But this has never happened. We were perhaps never really serious in enforcing the ban despite the havoc these groups have inflicted on our own country.
Surely there may not yet be conclusive evidence substantiating the allegation of the involvement of Jaish-e-Mohammed in the Pathankot air force base assault, but elements of one of the fiercest banned militant networks have long been involved in terrorist activities both inside and outside the country.
After it was banned in 2002, JeM broke up into small cells many of them directly linked to Al Qaeda and the Afghan Taliban. Those splinters were responsible for a series of audacious terrorist attacks including two assassination attempts on former president Gen Pervez Musharraf. The footprints of JeM were also found in the Lal Masjid episode.
Interestingly, despite many of his followers being involved in a war against the state and terror activities, Masood Azhar has never been detained in Pakistan. He has reportedly continued with his ‘non-militant activities’, as described by Pakistani authorities, from his hometown Bahawalpur.
Breaking his long hibernation, the JeM leader resurfaced in 2013 when he addressed thousands of his supporters in Muzaffarabad by phone. This first public appearance of sorts in years reinforced the suspicion about the network being revived. He reportedly called upon Pakistani authorities to lift restrictions on ‘jihad’.
It is often said that Masood Azhar had lost control over his banned outfit and was not responsible for any terrorist actions attributed to those who belonged to JeM. But his address to the Muzaffarabad rally confirms that he has continued his jihadi activities, while maintaining a low profile.
First Hafiz Saeed was made ‘kosher’ by being brought into the mainstream and then Masood Azhar has been drawn back into the arena. It has surely been a disturbing development for the international community as well as for our national security. One can hardly understand the logic behind this.
It is not just about cross-border terrorist attacks; more importantly, it is our own security and stability that is at stake. How can a state allow itself to become hostage to the whims of non-state actors? Once patronised by the state, these jihadi networks seem to now have gone completely out of control. These non-state actors are now drawn by their own ideological goals threatening our sovereignty. The country has paid dearly for using militancy as a tool of regional policy in the past, and it is high time that they are stopped.
Indeed, the Pathankot attack has come as a huge blow to the normalisation process between the two countries. Yet there is also a possibility that an impartial investigation into the matter could open a new window of opportunity. It is imperative that India provide all relevant information about the attackers to the Pakistani authorities. A sensible, cooperative approach by both governments is crucial to thwarting the subversive designs of the terrorists. The actions of non-state actors must not be allowed to derail the peace process.
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are you kdding me? regardless of pathankot incidence, all these elements should have been eliminated from pakistan. ghazab khuda ka, looook at thier courage. they are challenging our govt and army so openly. FINISH THEM raheel sharif.
The Army is still funding and protecting thousands of them.
Without Army sponsorship, ALL these groups would disappear in a few years.
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That's what I keep asking people to think about. Who is giving them guns ?
It's not just historically ISI. They aren't involved in other groups like ISIS. All these groups have the same goals: population control, control over women, gun culture, violence, suppression of minorities, instigating Shia- directed violence, and violence towards any Sunni group that doesn't agree with them, and eradication of modern education.
Who is giving such jahaliyat ammo and what do they get out of it? ISI might have been able to ship these crazies to Kashmir, but it's been 10 years of hostility towards the Pakistani state and writ of law. So again, who is financing them? I don't think ISI is behind it anymore. Pakistan has been a target way too much.
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But for once the civilian and military leadership seems to be on the same page
Pakistan arrests Jaish members in connection with India air base attack - Pakistan - DAWN.COM
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imo, honestly, the Kashmir issue can be better handled by Kashmiris themselves. i think if Pakistan steps back and lets the Kashmiris talk to Indian government directly, the results will be a different one which will be acceptable to both India and Kashmiris. for Indians, i think, Pakistan on the tripartite negotiation table will be seen as giving in to Pakistan which the Indian majority doesn't like to see.
for a change, let's try that out as well.
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Dear brother, I have something to say on what you wrote. :)
Absolutely. These same outfits have murdered so many innocent Pakistanis. All non state actors must be crushed for attaining peace in the region.
You are right that no outfits have any right to spread Fitna and Fasad, and there should be no tolerance for them. If any Pakistani outfits are holding arms than they should be crushed ... not to please anyone or any country, but to make Pakistan free from fitna, fasad, sectarian violence, religious violence, and armed terrors.
[Actually, armed terror and corruption terror, both should be crushed brutally, and probably, only army can do that, even taking into account corrupts in top bureaucracies, top judiciaries, top army officials, top police personals, and most importantly, top political leaderships].
As for Pathankot incidence, Pakistan arrested some perpetrates on suspicion charges (without any concrete proofs), but to pursue the cases, India has to give proper, convincing and concrete proofs. Once proof comes, persecution and punishment should follow (there should be no let up or excuse).
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Solution 1(probably not acceptable to India at this point)
Maintain political pressure on India to hold a plebiscite in Jammu as per UN Security Council resolutions and respect the will of the people.
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That would be best option ... though I doubt if India would accept that easily (as you mentioned) ... and as long as that option would exist, Kashmiris have every right to fight for their freedom, and their terror in India cannot be called terrorism, but war of independence what Kashmiris can fight, making their basses in Azad Kashmir or Indian occupied Kashmir, but not from Pakistan soil.
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Solution 2 (the only viable solution imo and one which should be acceptable to both parties)
Declare line of control as the permanent border between the two countries with free movement of Kashmiris across the Loc.
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This is obviously, not a solution even though India would like it. This step would divide families and it would be against the aspiration of most Kashmiries. Considering such as easy solution, few Pakistani politicians may think of it so that they can spread personal business in India and benefit, but I doubt such solution would be in best interest of Pakistan and Kashmiris, neither such solution would be acceptable to most Pakistanis.
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Else is plain wishful thinking
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Pain or no pain, wishful thinking or practical thinking, best solution was what was presented during Musharraf time ... or complete independence of Kashmir as separate country.
From what I remember, some points about solution presented by President Musharraf was:
1: Make Pakistani and Indian Kashmir border as river Chanab.
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2: Open border between Indian occupied Kashmir and Azad Kashmir, so that they have trade and cultural exchanges, that eventually could lead to United Kashmir, where Pakistan and India only have virtual control over Kashmir.
3: I am not sure, but I think Musharraf also assured India that if Unity of Kashmir materializes, than Pakistan would talk to China and Pakistan is confident that in that case, part of Kashmir under the control of China would also joins in.
I think, there was something about dividing Kashmir into three distinct region, one (Kashmir) consisting of areas where Muslims are in majority, second (Jammu) consisting of areas where Hindus are in majority and third (Ladakh) consisting of areas where Buddhists are in majority.
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Denounce militancy and focus instead on human development in the region.
War is not a solution (never is)
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Obviously, what you wrote above should be goal that both countries (India and Pakistan) should go for. But as we all know, for clapping we need both hands. if world was peaceful and most were thinking about the betterment of people, than there would be no war nor need of armed forces, but that is not the case. So, one should always look for peace but be prepared for war too.
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imo, honestly, the Kashmir issue can be better handled by Kashmiris themselves. i think if Pakistan steps back and lets the Kashmiris talk to Indian government directly, the results will be a different one which will be acceptable to both India and Kashmiris. for Indians, i think, Pakistan on the tripartite negotiation table will be seen as giving in to Pakistan which the Indian majority doesn't like to see.
for a change, let's try that out as well.
aap stand-up comedy to nahi kartay kaheen?
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kahiiN aapko sanjeeda o munaasib baat mazaaq to nahiiN lagtii hai? :D
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kahiiN aapko sanjeeda o munaasib baat mazaaq to nahiiN lagtii hai? :D
to bhai kis ne roka hay India ko Kashmirion se baat karnay se? 60+ saal ho chukay, shoq puraa kewn nahi kia abhi tak?