if you look at the performance of the Pakistani test team over the last 3, 4 years it has been pathetic all over. They lost to virtually all sides abroad and at home. And the recent humiliation against Australia can be seen as the icing on the cake.
In one-dayers they haven’t been that consistent either, but every now and then they did win a series, so they may still play one-day matches. (And even worse teams do have one-day status.)
Furthermore, the management of the team is torn apart by internal fueds between players and staff etc. Every next month a ‘new’ coach can have a try.
And on top of that, there are security issues because of which ‘home’-matches are being played at foreign soil, and it doesn’t seem like changing in the near future.
anyway, just a thought. perhaps a suggestion for the ICC.
Agreed that our performance has been pretty bad, but lets not overdo it :)
stats?
P W L T D W/L
all matches 287 85 71 0 131 1.20
last 40 40 15 15 0 10 1.00
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Year P W L T D W/L
1998 6 1 2 0 3 0.50
1999 8 3 4 0 1 0.75
2000 12 3 4 0 5 0.75
2001 6 3 2 0 1 1.50
2002 8 5 3 0 0 1.67
Yes Pakistan team is going through a rough patch and yes it is not possible to play at home at the moment, but to suggest that they should lose the test status is way over the top.
If pathetic performance is going to be the criteria then everytime a team hits a bad patch they should lose the test status. Taking that into account Australia should have lost its status in the late 70's, West Indies in the 90's and maybe NZ as well. Also India should not be aloowed to play abroad as they have a very poor away record. Where will it all stop.
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Yes Pakistan team is going through a rough patch and yes it is not possible to play at home at the moment, but to suggest that they should lose the test status is way over the top.
If pathetic performance is going to be the criteria then everytime a team hits a bad patch they should lose the test status. Taking that into account Australia should have lost its status in the late 70's, West Indies in the 90's and maybe NZ as well. Also India should not be aloowed to play abroad as they have a very poor away record. Where will it all stop.
The idea is a non starter.
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yes, of course, but what you are doing is take one factor at a time, bring arguments against it and THEN take the next......I'm talking here about the combination of factors...........
but anyway, to give this discussion another twist:
how would a division system sound? just like it has been implemented in England county????
with relegation and promotion?
What kind of stupid question is that?
Than why doesn’t Zimbabwe, Bangladesh, Westindies, India lose their test status, they have also been pathetic in the past 5 years.
what is you point.
Pakistan is still a top side capable of beating the best in the world at full strength. The batting is as weak as it's ever been granted, but most opposition captains still regard us as very dangerous.
The current crisis has as much to do with lack of harmony in the team and the fact that young players have not managed to break through to replace some of the fading stars.
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Pakistan is still a top side capable of beating the best in the world at full strength. The batting is as weak as it's ever been granted, but most opposition captains still regard us as very dangerous.
The current crisis has as much to do with lack of harmony in the team and the fact that young players have not managed to break through to replace some of the fading stars.
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at the moment any side can beat any other side, that's not a criterion. the fact that most captains regard us as very dangerous is mostly because of 'political correctness'. that's how you should handle the media.......in contrast to Waqar, who after losing the first test started saying that "the australian captain is under pressure, we are going to pressurize him even more.....etc". waqar forgot that it was HE who lost and not Steve Waugh. A good captain would have said things like: "in the first test the aussies showed they can come back from any position and it is upto us to improve ourselves etc."
and about the lack of harmony: each team goes through such patches, but it has taken too long and instead of signs of improvement it looks even darker...
My criteria for saying that we are still regarded as a dangerous side is based on the quality of our players when the team is at full strength. No longer the force we were perhaps, but enough quality players to give any side a run for their money. Hardly a case for losing test status.
As for Waqar's captaincy and poor leadership at the top level, I have already said my piece on that and I don't haver any arguments with you on it.
yes, this was a beginning. as i said in one the posts (which mystriously enough) got deleted: i wanted to start this thread from an other point of view. normally in this forum only odes can be found to the pakistani team.......so I wanted to start from the other extreme.
but anyway, what about a devision system: with two devisions, the lower one may include other teams which have been mentioned by some users, the other one the remaining teams........and one whole 'competition' lasts for two years or so.
The division system is a non-starter because finances dictate that certain teams will always want to be in a position of playing each other regularly, i.e., Australia, England, South Africa and to a lesser degree these days, West Indies. Note that these teams always play full tests series consisting of at least 5 tests against each other. I doubt they would want a system where they could theoretically end up in a division consisiting of Sri Lanka, Banglades, Zimbabwe and New Zealand for example (you can substitute Sri Lanka for Pakistan if you like).
yes, but these same problems were faced when England started its division system. furthermore, the ICC does have this ranking system, that might be useful as a competition table and to see which team relegated and which team gets promoted. furthermore it will be possible in the lower division to add some nations which are non-test playing nations right now, like Kenya, Holland, UAE. and if these teams are good enough they will automatically get promoted, if not they 'll stay in the lower division; this way it will also be made sure that a country like australia only plays a 'monnow'-country like kanya, after the latter has shown itself to be good enough to get promoted to the higher division.
furthermore, the 'threat' of relegation and the 'incentive' of promotion will be an extra motivation factor for teams to perform.
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I think yes! at least for some years.
if you look at the performance of the Pakistani test team over the last 3, 4 years it has been pathetic all over. They lost to virtually all sides abroad and at home. And the recent humiliation against Australia can be seen as the icing on the cake.
In one-dayers they haven't been that consistent either, but every now and then they did win a series, so they may still play one-day matches. (And even worse teams do have one-day status.)
anyway, just a thought. perhaps a suggestion for the ICC.
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Talk about true fans!! You sure qualify for that :p , Guys clappings for this wise man :)
What are you trying to discuss in this thread. You started off with reasons as to why Pakistan should lose its test status and now have started discussing the two divisions concept.
Furthermore none of your posts were mysteriously deleted. One post was deleted as it was posted twice.
