Should Pakistan lift the ban on Indian TV channels?

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*Originally posted by mAd_ScIeNtIsT: *
I remember over a year ago I was speaking on Gupshup chat with a young female guppy who had recently started work as a teacher in Lahore, teaching a mixed gender class of 7-8 year olds.

She was appalled at the behaviour of the kids - the boys would pretty regularly slap the girls on the posterior.... and the girls would be flattered, not annoyed.

This teacher said that this kind of behaviour did not used to happen during her younger days and felt that it was being caused through easier exposure to the increasingly risque culture promoted by the **entertainment industry across the border**.

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Entertainment industry across the seven seas is more like it. :)

A strange kind of nationalism

By Aqil Shah

For days, Pakistanis watched in a state of suspended disbelief as the government and cable operators locked horns over the ban on Indian channels. Even as the two sides wrangled bitterly, their one-upmanship was couched in calculated appeals to nationalist sentiments.

The Pakistan Electronic Media Regulatory Authority (PEMRA) argued forcefully that it was acting in the best national interest by reinforcing a ban on vulgar Indian channels. Cable operators, initially nonplussed by the contradictory behaviour of a government ostensibly engaged in a normalization process with its eastern neighbour, fought back by saying they had always supported the official ban on Indian channels and were only demanding “international entertainment channels”.

Whether PEMRA’s original motivation was financial or ideological is a moot point. In the tussle that ensued, an otherwise important debate about the legitimate need for freeing electronic media was once again drowned in a sea of ideological righteousness. Also sunk were claims by the government that it was committed to a free flow of information. Wholly frivolous in itself, the ban has focused renewed attention on the deeply controversial parameters of our cultural and social mores.

Moral policing is nothing new in an authoritarian state steeped in the tradition of intellectual and literary inquisition. But where does it all end? Through frequent notifications, for instance, PEMRA has been instructing cable operators to block out this or that foreign channel because of its ‘obscenity’.

Silent on the question of the suffocating state control over Pakistan Television and Radio, the arbitrary Ordinance (and rules) that govern its conduct empower PEMRA to simply prohibit broadcasts that are supposedly against ‘the ideology of Pakistan’ or ‘endanger national security’.

These euphemisms for draconian censorship practically preclude independent news and analysis. Programmes against ‘good taste or decency’ are also proscribed. Just whose standard of decency, no one knows. And who is to decide? Appointed PEMRA bureaucrats now acting as guardians of our social morality.

While the recent cabinet decision to allow more private media channels is welcome, it is hard not to be cynical. PEMRA can mandate private broadcasters to telecast programmes in the “public interest”. Unless Pakistan was Alice’s Wonderland, could there be a cruder device to recruit them for state propaganda? Ironically, the government doesn’t really need to commission these channels. Though better presented and covering a wider array of issues, news bulletins on private channels rarely go beyond the received wisdom on national security issues.

Often, they mirror state propaganda on Kashmir. While there is much to write home about, ideological overloading is also commonplace in prime time programming with self-proclaimed Islamic jurists evoking divine authority to settle contentions public issues. Each time, though, they open a new can of worms that adds to our unresolved cultural and ideological confusion.

Pakistan is destined to become another Madina, proclaimed retired General Hameed Gul in unison with a talk show host recently, drowning out any hope that a reasoned debate on the origins of Pakistan was possible.

Current affairs experts are mostly right-wing generals, retired diplomats or pro-military intellectuals. As they generously dismiss the establishment’s foreign and domestic blunders as minor miscalculations, any potential debate on the urgent need to rethink or re-evaluate flawed state policies is also conveniently swept under the carpet.

Mindless anti-India propaganda spewed through scores of officially sponsored videos is relayed endlessly. Sung by the country’s most popular rock stars, the Pakistan army’s souped up bravado is mixed with state-of-the-art special effects to drive home the bestiality of the enemy who kills indiscriminately. Even if the excuse is that the Indians do it too, this hyper nationalism remains at odds with Islamabad’s declared intent of normalizing relations with India.

Equally mystifying are attempts by some military-run entities to make up for their gross inefficiency through appeals to the people’s patriotic instincts.

My favourite is a dramatic rendition extolling the war-like readiness of Wapda. With national flags fluttering and a stern, uniformed Gen Musharraf saluting in the background, the song spins the fiction that Wapda is about to revolutionize our lives. Who foots the bill for all this crude propaganda? The Pakistani taxpayer, of course.

According to Antonio Gramsci, the state’s hegemony rests not only on material and coercive power but also on a measure of “consent, cooperation and collaboration” that comes from cultural and ideological support of civil society.

In Pakistan, civil society has been manipulated and coerced to extract this cultural and ideological compliance for reasons of state. The unsurprising result has been the subservience of all other priorities of civil life to the narrow national security concerns of an “Islamic” state pitched against a “Hindu” India.

In adhering to the notions of an ambiguous religious ideology, the country’s civil-military elite has projected Islam as the primary basis for state legitimacy. In the process, they have played with religion to accommodate and manipulate the religious lobby. The mullahs reaction, by and large, has been ever more boldly and violently to push their demands while refusing in most cases to abide by the rule of law. Just who is using whom has not always been clear, however. Compare the MMA’s crusade against cable TV in the NWFP and the state’s resort to regulatory mechanisms to curb what it deems immoral. A right-wing establishment, naturally, sits pretty at the table with the mullas.

Governments around the world often concern themselves with manufacturing consent to protect themselves against the enemies of the state. As the Nazi spin-doctor Joseph Goebels had famously remarked: a lie told often enough ultimately becomes the truth. In Pakistan, principal forms of socialisation (history textbooks, state-run electronic media) are thus infused with an undying sense of militaristic nationalism.

Despite all that, and more, why is it that over 90 per cent of cable TV viewers still demand Indian channels? Simple answer: They are not the dimwits the establishment considers them to be. Pakistanis can well differentiate between harmful propaganda and harmless entertainment. There is much that is wrong with Indian TV channels, and ours for that matter.

But that is no excuse for PEMRA or any other government agency to resort to tactics of thought control. The unbelievable condescension with which some PEMRA officials have been publicly speaking for the “millions of illiterate and impressionable Pakistanis”, who are not yet ready to make “free choices”, is an insult to the dignity of the whole nation.

Informed observers say memories of the aggressive media blitzkrieg by private Indian channels during the Kargil conflict was still fresh in Islamabad’s corridors of power when the Indians slapped a ban on PTV in early 2002. Though localized and short-lived, that ban only provided the pretext for a decision the Pakistani establishment would have liked to make anyway.

For some, the government’s plea of “stabilizing” Pakistani private channels and continuing the ban on Indian channels, therefore, smacks of foul play. Don’t blame these cynics for casting aspersions on the government’s oft-repeated desire for regional peace. From the way they conduct themselves in the 21st century, the abiding motto of Pakistan’s ruling elite could well be: Ignorance is strength.

http://www.dawn.com/2003/09/05/fea.htm

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*Originally posted by durango: *
If this continues, the animosity between Pakistanis and Indians will come to an end in the next fifty years.
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Does this mean that if Pakistanis watch Indian TV then they will forget about Kashmir?
You see, Kashmir is the main cause of animosity between India and Pakistan, and unless this issue is not solved, animosity will persist.

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*Originally posted by Mr Xtreme: *

You claim to know what real Pakistanis think but if they really thought like that there wouldn't be any need for a ban, they wouldn't tune into Indian channels in the first place. So who exactly are you representing? /QUOTE

Children will tune into porn, despite knowing its not good for them, so your argument has little meaning in this context. Long live the ban. This ban has given us (ppl who hate those stupid indian dramas on zee, sony etc) other channels, such as channels from south africa, even new Pakistani channels such as geo, IM, ary, so im all for the ban!

The ban hasn't given Pakistanis new channels, it's just stopped them watching Indian ones. And the argument that it's prevented children from watching porn is ridiculous. No Indian channels broadcast porn unless you know something I don't. According to the Dawn article above, over 90% Pakistanis would prefer to watch Indian channels. So that means your view doesn't even reflect 10% Pakistani viewpoint. Who are you then, to decide what Pakistanis watch?

This sort of State control over the media is what has led to Pakistani channels stinking the airwaves in the first place. ARY was launched in the UK because the stale Prime tv (PTV) was hopeless and the fact that there is no ban on Indian channels has led to Pakistani channels having to upgrade the quality of their product to compete. Something they can do here as there is no State interference meaning they can produce quality entertainment. Shame tv companies in Pakistan aren't allowed to give their viewers what they want leaving them yearning for Indian channels instead.

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*Originally posted by Mr Xtreme: *
The ban hasn't given Pakistanis new channels, it's just stopped them watching Indian ones. And the argument that it's prevented children from watching porn is ridiculous. No Indian channels broadcast porn unless you know something I don't. According to the Dawn article above, over 90% Pakistanis would prefer to watch Indian channels. So that means your view doesn't even reflect 10% Pakistani viewpoint. Who are you then, to decide what Pakistanis watch?

This sort of State control over the media is what has led to Pakistani channels stinking the airwaves in the first place. ARY was launched in the UK because the stale Prime tv (PTV) was hopeless and the fact that there is no ban on Indian channels has led to Pakistani channels having to upgrade the quality of their product to compete. Something they can do here as there is no State interference meaning they can produce quality entertainment. Shame tv companies in Pakistan aren't allowed to give their viewers what they want leaving them yearning for Indian channels instead.
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i wonder what scientific methods they used to come up with the "90%" figure. again, trust me, if 90% of the country wanted hindian ****, the strike would've lasted way more than one day. if not doing away with the ban alltogether.

Ok so tell me why the operators had the strike in the first place?

If only 10% of viewers wanted Indian channels then the first person to know it is the cable operator - what was the need for him to make a fool of himself by going on a strike?

The very fact that is has become a national issue and a topic of conversation here is proof that Indian channels are striking a painful chord. Would we discuss chinese channels with the same ferocity?

The point is, are we discussing enemy channels or fair competition?

Once upon a time we had only DD, and it sucked. Then english channels and private channels started being shown. Many people felt that english channels would destroy our culture, but all it did was expose people to better technology and stories.

And btw, ten years ago Pakistani dramas were the rage in India. I never heard anyone say 'stop watching enemy propaganda'. In fact Indian dramas took Pakistani dramas as the yardstick and made better stuff for the masses. It's elementary, Watson. Kill competition and you kill evolution.

Spock- your argument that Indian channels have porn doesn't wash. If our channels are pornographic, what would you call the english ones?

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*Originally posted by karina: *
Ok so tell me why the operators had the strike in the first place?

If only 10% of viewers wanted Indian channels then the first person to know it is the cable operator - what was the need for him to make a fool of himself by going on a strike?

The very fact that is has become a national issue and a topic of conversation here is proof that Indian channels are striking a painful chord. Would we discuss chinese channels with the same ferocity?

The point is, are we discussing enemy channels or fair competition?

Once upon a time we had only DD, and it sucked. Then english channels and private channels started being shown. Many people felt that english channels would destroy our culture, but all it did was expose people to better technology and stories.

And btw, ten years ago Pakistani dramas were the rage in India. I never heard anyone say 'stop watching enemy propaganda'. In fact Indian dramas took Pakistani dramas as the yardstick and made better stuff for the masses. It's elementary, Watson. Kill competition and you kill evolution.

Spock- your argument that Indian channels have porn doesn't wash. If our channels are pornographic, what would you call the english ones?
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hmmm, what i don't get is why the hindians in this forum is getting so riled up. IT'S OUR DAMN COUNTRY AND WE WILL DO WHATEVER THE HELL WE WANT, GET THAT THROUGH YOUR THICK HEAD. and anyone can call a strike, but the public opinion will dictate whether it is legitimate or not. in this case, the "strike" got off to a horrendous start when 70% of cable operators that were supposed to go on strike pulled out within a day. correct me if i am wrong, but i don't see the average public in the street chanting "hindu media hamara bhai hai". it's only couple of loser cable operator. if this was a mass protest, trust me i would be the first one to run and grab a hindian's leg and beg them to show their uuugly faces in pakistan. AND BY THE WAY, THIS THREAD WAS STARTED BY A HINDIAN, SO THERE YOU GO.

Oh dear, the classic ranting of a person losing his ground. :smack:

Btw rana no 1 your avatar really suits you.:slight_smile:

These kids over complicate everything.

The people of pakistan want entertainment. They find it in Indian TV programs. Until the pakistani industry is able to produce quality programes that the audience want, what are the choices:

  1. Import Indian programs - legally or illegally
  2. Import Chinese programs - no one will umderstand a word
  3. Load up on western programs - mullahs will be in fatwa city
  4. Say all you get is the local stuff, like it or lump it

Obviously being a military dictatorship, #4 is what the givernment will do. And being a weak dictatorship (dependency of others) #1 is what will prevail.

whine all you want bhindians, ban will not be lifted. :hehe: everyone in Pakistan is happy now.

Get a life, Gohan. Who is whining - you or us? You think anyone in India cares a fig if Pakistan bans Indian channels or not? It’s freedom of choice we’re talking about, which of course cannot penetrate your skull so full of s*** it is. :nahnah:

you can even stop speaking the language we undestand.

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so if bhindians don’t care why are they replying in this thread and want the ban to be lifted. :hehe: and we can already see your upper level is filled with sh!t. :hehe:

Replying is a lot of fun and occasionally someone even glimpses the truth. So worth it. Plus RAW pays by number of replies.

Gohanji, how'd you like mandarin? (language not the poultry)

well, i see Indian members complaining about violation of freedom of choice in Pakistan due to this ban. But PTV is banned in India. What do you call that? protecting Indians from Pakistani propaganda?

I didn't know PTV was banned in India. If it is, it's probably because it talks too much about pakistan.

Bans either way are dumb if the people don't want them. And these idiots who are claiming "it's our damn country we will do what the hell we want" are not speaking on behalf of the majority of Pakistanis so they are basically talking crap.

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*Originally posted by TomSawyer: *
I didn't know PTV was banned in India.
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of course you don't. You're so obsessed with Pakistan that you're not aware of any happings in India. Dude I say you apply for Pakistani citizenship. Who knows you might get lucky and hit the jackpot and become Pakistani. Forget Hindutva and RAW work for ISI(indian spanking institute), they'll even throw in free dental coverage.

^ hmm! atlast something creative from one of you. Throw in a sign on bonus, a 5 year contract with a one year out at my option, and absolute guarentee that noone will scream Allahu Akbar before 8am in my earshot and I may look at it. Call my people