Should Pakistan lift the ban on Indian TV channels?

Looks like cable operators are going to be on strike for banning Indian channels. You see many articles in DAWN asking govt. to lift the ban.

http://famulus.msnbc.com/FamulusIntl/reuters08-22-061057.asp?reg=ASIA

Pakistan TV operators vow boycott over India ban

By Amir Zia

KARACHI, Aug. 22 — India and Pakistan may disagree on many things, but their people both seem to agree on one – wanting to watch Indian television programmes.
Banned from broadcasting hugely popular Indian channels, Pakistani cable television operators said on Friday they would stop transmitting local channels in a bid to get the government to change its decision.

‘‘Ninety-five percent of Pakistanis want to see Indian programmes,’’ said Ahsan Ali, general secretary of the Cable Operators’ Association of Pakistan. ‘‘The government should respect the public opinion.’’
The association represents more than 900 operators, and is locked in a bitter row with the government, which wants to promote local channels by keeping out Indian channels that have eaten into the revenues of state-run Pakistan Television.
‘‘We will boycott Pakistani channels as well as foreign news channels, including BBC and CNN, from Sunday for a week to protest the ban,’’ Ali told Reuters. ‘‘In the second phase, we plan to completely shutter our service.’’
Pakistan’s entertainment industry is much smaller than that of its giant neighbour and is subject to strict censorship rules dictated by religious conservatism.
Cable operators want the government to drop its protectionist ways and spur local channels to provide better material instead.
India and Pakistan have fought three wars since partition and independence from Britain in 1947, but many Pakistanis are avid fans of Indian movies and entertainment programmes.
Pakistan banned Indian channels in March 2002 during a bitter military standoff with its neighbour following an attack on the parliament in New Delhi by suspected Islamic militants.
Cable operators toed the government line then.
‘‘We cooperated with the government last year because of the military build-up,’’ said one operator, Khalid Arian. ‘‘We resumed Indian programmes after a thaw in relations.’’
But on August 4, the government decided to re-enforce the ban strictly.
The Pakistan Electronic Media Regulatory Authority appealed to cable operators to end the boycott, but they stuck to their position, saying revenues had dropped sharply after the ban as subscribers did not want to pay for other channels.

Why ban entertainment?

The Indian channels have been banned once again. I think the ban is unjust in the present circumstances. The channels like Star Plus, Sony and Zee TV telecast only entertaining programmes. Thousands of people want to see them.

It is said that Pakistani ads are being presented on these channels while the PTV and other local channels are being deprived of them. If this is true, then such restrictions would not be beneficial in the long run. The permanent solution to this issue is that the PTV and other local channels should raise their standard and present more interesting and entertaining programmes so that the people should prefer to see them.

It was the PTV that had a glorious past and reputation for its quality productions, particularly with reference to its plays. Its entertainment programmes had a unique position in the viewers’ eyes all over the world, specially in India. The PTV can get back its lost position once again through quality productions.

Because of the ban on Indian channels, the cable operators are forced to present English channels which are making great contribution in spreading nudity and obscenity. Nobody is paying any attention to it.

At this stage when the new ties of friendship are being strengthened and delegations of the two countries are visiting each other, it is not the appropriate time to ban these channels.

I appeal to the authorities concerned to lift the ban imposed on the entertainment channels like Star Plus, Sony and Zee TV.

FAHIM SYED

Via email

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This is in response to the letter by Dr Hamida Khuhro (Aug 7). I must say she is totally right.

The Pakistan government and the media talk about a cultural war which is to be fought against India. What is this war in which you remove the opponents? Also, in the present situation of cordiality, it is not wise to ban the Indian channels. The Indian channels are much cleaner than the English ones.

I would also request the people to stop hating Pakistani channels. Let me tell you that they are a lot more entertaining than any English or Indian channel.

ZUBAIR KHAWAR

Lahore

http://www.dawn.com/2003/08/12/letted.htm#2

Neighbouring phobia

By Amar Jalil

The blindfolded wizards within the government have off and on clamped ban on Indian TV channels.

(Strained neighbours do not sleep peacefully - a sufi saying).

More than 40 years ago, the wizards within the then Government of Pakistan clamped a complete ban on the exhibition of Indian films in Pakistan. The wizards did not foresee the devastating effect the politically motivated act would have on Pakistan.

Their modus operandi was that the Pakistan film industry required to be protected from competition for development. Has the Pakistan film industry developed during the last 40 years? What kind of stuff our film industry has dished out to the entertainment-starved people of Pakistan in the name of movies?

It is not within the purview of this essay to discuss the chemistry of Indian phobia among certain political and nonpolitical lobbies in Pakistan. We will not discuss whether the aversion and dislike for India is genuine. Or is it fabricated, made up, or propagated for some other motives? Someday, we would thoroughly examine the politics of India phobia and Pakistan phobia, that have ruined the faith of four generations in peace, harmony and everlasting friendship between the two next-door countries. No one can nurture healthy children on hate-syndrome.

Of various elements that interact in a society for social, cultural, economic and political development, two most-important elements are the masses and the politicians. Incidentally, the masses in multitude in both the countries constitute the lowest strata, and the politicians constitute the upper-most strata of the society in India and Pakistan. There can’t be anything common between the ‘haves’ and the ‘have-nots’. The exploited and the exploiters do not dine from the same dish. As an identical phenomenon in the two estranged neighbouring countries, the poor keep on becoming poorer, and the rich keep on becoming richer.

There is nothing uncommon between the deprived masses in the two countries except that the Indian masses are politically responsive and mature, whereas four martial laws have plunged the Pakistani masses into abysmal disillusion. They do not react to any kind of political change in Pakistan. They are least bothered who rules them, and why! Pushed deep into poverty, they strive from dawn to dusk in search of food and shelter. On the political scenario in the two countries, efficiency and competence constitute glaring difference between Indian and Pakistani politicians. As compared to Indian politicians, filthy rich Pakistani politicians, baring a few, are proven incompetent and nincompoops. Thus, Pakistan has endured four martial laws in five decades.

When the wizards within the Government of Pakistan banned showing of Indian movies in Pakistan in 1962, there were about 2,000 cinema houses operative in the country. In Karachi alone, 80 cinema houses ran three shows daily, and four shows on Sundays and holidays. In Saddar, we had a number of high-class cinema houses, namely Palace, Rex, Rio, Mayfair, Capital and Paradise. Such cinema houses entertained Karachiites with excellent English films such as Viva Zapata, Ben-Hur, Samson and Delilah, One-Eyed Jacks, Lawrence of Arabia, Night of the Generals, Bridge on the River Kwai and One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest.

The cinema houses are not merely auditoriums for showing films. A cinema house provides employment to a large number of persons. They include the machine operators, gatekeepers, ticket vendors, a team of managers, sweepers, painters, telephone operators, clerks, office assistants, accountants and chaiwala boys. The cinema houses in 1962 were the source of bread and butter for thousands of families all over the country.

A cinema house is like a shop. To remain functional it constantly requires merchandise. Movies are merchandise for cinema houses. The wizards did not take into account the number of films produced annually by our film industry. In 1962, perhaps 20 (maybe less) films were made in a year in Pakistan. How could you have kept operative 2,000 cinema houses in the country with the 20 films produced annually by our film industry? The ban on Indian films in Pakistan triggered the total collapse of booming cinema business in the country.

In no time, cinema-culture withered from Pakistan. The cinema houses gradually closed down. Thousands of employees in the cinema business were rendered jobless. Their families plunged into poverty. The wizards did not feel pushed. They kept justifying banning of Indian movies in Pakistan. When questioned by the press, they conveniently silenced the fault-finders with an obsolete cliche, “Old order changes, giving place to new.” Thereby, they meant that television had replaced films in the country. It was a totally absurd and ridiculous explanation. Far more films are being produced in the world now than were produced before the advent of television. The well-planned television systems in India have not put a slightest dent in the Indian film industry. On the contrary, television systems in India thrive on the 1,200 films produced annually by the Indian film industry.

The blindfolded wizards within the Government of Pakistan now in power have off and on clamped ban on Indian TV channels, specially when serious efforts are made to bring India and Pakistan closer to each other in a fold of friendship. What are they aiming at? Are they contemplating on showing us cheap, vulgar and obscene alien channels stuffed with nudity, sex and violence? You can’t falsify history. Aren’t Pakistan and India culturally more close to each other than any other country? Why do the wizards compel Pakistani families to watch the culturally diverse Thai, Japanese, Chinese, Korean and American channels?

http://www.dawn.com/weekly/dmag/dmag7.htm

http://www.dawn.com/2003/08/11/nat26.htm

‘End ban on Indian channels’

By Our Staff Reporter

LAHORE, Aug 10: The Cable Operators’ Association has criticized the government’s decision to continue the ban on Indian channels. Addressing a press conference here on Sunday, association president Jabbar A Khan questioned the logic behind the ban in view of the changing regional scenario.

The ban was imposed when forces from both sides took to the border in Dec 2001. The cable operators readily accepted the ban on patriotic grounds, and absorbed the financial loss it entailed. But now the situation has improved, Mr Khan observed. Both the countries are looking for ways to increase cooperation.

The bus-link has already been established, and the revival of rail and air links is also on the cards. High-profile visits from both sides have helped reduce tension while a joint film venture has also been announced. Besides, Mr Khan observed, there was no ban on dishes and video-centres that were selling Indian movies in every nook and corner of the country.

In these circumstances, it was illogical on the part of government to insist on the ban on Indian channels, he said. It could still, perhaps, defend the ban on news and propaganda channels but not on entertainment. All the cable operators want right now is the permission to air Star Plus and two movies a day. How would it affect the perceptions of Pakistanis about themselves, he asked.

There is no ban on any Pakistani channel in India and the Indian state minister has recently confirmed this in the parliament. Later, speaking on the condition of anonymity, another leader of the cable operators claimed that some owners of local channels wanted the ban on Indian channels to continue for commercial reasons.

Keep the ban effective.......................................FOREVER! Cable operators can threat all they want and can go on as many strikes as they want, finally when they run out of their money they'll start showing local and English channels again.

Keep the ban !!

We don't want our children to be brainwashed by the invasion of Hindu Indian culture.

These idiotic cable people can go to strikes for years for all we care. We need to encourage indiginous Pak-istani Mus-lim culture and Pak-istani entertainment channels.

ZeeTV BS can go to hell !! :)

keep the ban

indian tv channels are not decent enough to be viewed by kids, which ends up happenning when they come normally on tv...

plus a family cannot sit together and watch an indian channel either...

umm just a second ppl
have u seen the changes baning indian channels has done to pakistani entertainment?
forget the movie industry (they never made worth seeing crap ever anyways) but introduction of new pakistani channels has increased the pakistan drama show industry 2 folds and the trend is continuing at a fast pace it has spawned many different sort of shows from cooking to fashion related
its a good thing
where theres a demand for shows
the industry will respond
and thats whats happened inpakistan considering so many shows were absent 10-15 years ago

no we shud keep the ban....according to one study, boolywood makes 32% of its revenue from Pakistani viewers.....

i think ban is not right
every country indulges in its propaganda. cnn does it for usa bbc does it for uk. the viewer is smart enough to understand it
i think we must know what the other side thinks of us

well buddy, not everybody is as smart as us...u must know that 75% of Paki public is illetrate....they can be easily decieved....a very popular study shows that most illetrate ppl will buy "BEBSI" (thinking it as "PEPSI") as long as the can design is not changed......

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*Originally posted by kabir: *
i think ban is not right
every country indulges in its propaganda. cnn does it for usa bbc does it for uk. the viewer is smart enough to understand it
i think we must know what the other side thinks of us
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and also consider the fact that we are financially strangthening the indian....what a shame.......

What if tomorrow US decides to cut all imports from Pakistan, as it deems Pakistan a haven for terrorism. Would you be ok to live with that? Afterall, US should be careful about importing goods and services from a place wiht whom its strategic interests are not aligend.

Keep the ban.

Ban or no ban. People will get it either legally or on the sly. A whole new industry will start providing additional riches for the Musharaf generals with protected dish franchises.

And these guys want us to join the gas pipeline?

Lets keep the ban. Don't need to weaken our culture further.

I would say keep the ban.... but there are other things to take care of as well, and if they are not done, then ban or no ban, it will not make a difference.

I once saw a show called Kaun Banega Crorepati on Star Plus, and it turned out that ALL the ads were Pakistani ..... it was shameful.... the Indians have the guts to say that they will not play cricket with Pakistan on princple, although the match gives them terrific entertainment as well.... However Pakistanis will keep on talking about how banning Indian entertainment is bad....

well we should create our own entertainment, and the government should allow the local entertainment industry to flourish. In most cases the government curbs the local entertainment industry on the account of it not being Islamic... well, then people switch to Indian channels, because at least they entertain rather than torture... I dont know how that helps the govt though...

As far as the pre requisite is concerned, the local channels should use this ban and create the mass following in Pakistan that they should be making... otherwise it is all pointless.... PTV had a huge monopoly in Pakistan for 30 years.... but despite this golden oppurtunity, their programming, barring a few good plays... was so bad that people immediately switched to indian channels at the first oppurtunity..... If the same is going to happen now, and all the local channels are going to misuse the oppurtunity given to them, then one might as well lift the ban..... but if they are great channels, then one should support them....

Indian films are for teeny boppers.... and also for those who cannot understand english..... apart from 1 movie/year, the rest is total crap...

The second thing that has to be done is to ban Indian channels on ALL cables..... I have heard that there are still many operating them for a certain privelleged population.... that should be stopped otherwise it becomes a money and power game...

At no point, should Pakistan support Indian channels... until there is peace between us, they are the enemy, and the enemy should not be made richer, even by 1 cent, at your expense..... that is as simple as 1+1

well since u brought this issue up, let me take it further.....

ARY has recently statrted 9 more channels and one of them is JUST FOR INDIA (if i remember the name correctly)....plus on their main channel, 20% of the time u will see indian songs or indian celebrities...and the famous PATHAAN host (wiqas khan) seems to be very impressed by Kareena.....what a shame....

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*Originally posted by logixlord: *
I would say keep the ban.... but there are other things to take care of as well, and if they are not done, then ban or no ban, it will not make a difference.

I once saw a show called Kaun Banega Crorepati on Star Plus, and it turned out that ALL the ads were Pakistani ..... it was shameful.... the Indians have the guts to say that they will not play cricket with Pakistan on princple, although the match gives them terrific entertainment as well.... However Pakistanis will keep on talking about how banning Indian entertainment is bad....

well we should create our own entertainment, and the government should allow the local entertainment industry to flourish. In most cases the government curbs the local entertainment industry on the account of it not being Islamic... well, then people switch to Indian channels, because at least they entertain rather than torture... I dont know how that helps the govt though...

As far as the pre requisite is concerned, the local channels should use this ban and create the mass following in Pakistan that they should be making... otherwise it is all pointless.... PTV had a huge monopoly in Pakistan for 30 years.... but despite this golden oppurtunity, their programming, barring a few good plays... was so bad that people immediately switched to indian channels at the first oppurtunity..... If the same is going to happen now, and all the local channels are going to misuse the oppurtunity given to them, then one might as well lift the ban..... but if they are great channels, then one should support them....

Indian films are for teeny boppers.... and also for those who cannot understand english..... apart from 1 movie/year, the rest is total crap...

The second thing that has to be done is to ban Indian channels on ALL cables..... I have heard that there are still many operating them for a certain privelleged population.... that should be stopped otherwise it becomes a money and power game...

At no point, should Pakistan support Indian channels... until there is peace between us, they are the enemy, and the enemy should not be made richer, even by 1 cent, at your expense..... that is as simple as 1+1
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The Pakistani government has recently reinforced the ban on Indian cable channels, the reason perhaps to protect us from being brainwashed by the culture of saas bahu and etcetera - unfortunately not too unlike ours. But what is ignored is that sales of tapes and DVDs escalate nevertheless. Little girls will still dance to a Kareena number at a mehndi and people will spend Sunday night watching one action hero or the other take on ten men at the same time.

Two separate nations with different ideologies and identities yet many cultural similarities. But even if the films that they make may be as different from each other as chalk from cheese, we share similar audiences at least for our creations. So while Salman romances with Bhumika Chawla in the latest Tere Naam and our audience getting vicarious thrills watching it, Vajpayee may be enjoying a theatre performance by Ajoka in India. So much for the change in hearts and minds.

ok guys, there is another side of this picture as well. Now the articles posted above show that Pemra is a ruthless, hypocrite beast which is hindering all kosher cable operators business but that is certainly not the case. Cable Operators are guilty of virutally every copy right law know to man and are taking piracy to an all new level, yes I said piracy. All of the latest stage shows are aired on Cable without the consent of producers. All of the latest Hollywood and Lollywood movie which are to be shown in the theater are instantly available on the cable. Gov't of Pak has issued a guide line which indicates that cable operator must not air Pakistani adds on indian channels but cable operators are doing it other wise. Cable Operators are hindering the businesses of theaters in the country, stage shows and the local channels by showing Pakistani adds on indian channels. Thus, I believe it is about time these cable-walas get a much deserved big boot on their asses. Strict polices need to be implemented for these COs (Cable Operators). The strikes of COs of course doesnt mean anything and Pemra doesn't gives a rat's ass about it but the ban is implemented this time to teach COs a lesson and at the end of their strike, Indian channels will be back on air but this time with much strict polices for COs. Take that.

"The cable TV operators have announced countrywide strike from 6 pm on August 24 to 6 pm on August 30. The transmission of all foreign channels would be stopped during the strike. Only the PTV channels transmission will be shown. Pakistan Cable Operators Association has taken this step as a mark of protest against the PEMRA decision not to allow Indian channels on cable TV.

Over the years cable TV has become very popular in Pakistan. There are about 4.2 million subscribers of cable TV in Pakistan, which means that there are more 25 million viewers. In the last two years the screening of Indian channels has been stopped many times. The present period however is the longest. The cable operators say that their business has been affected a lot and the viewers are not willing to pay the monthly fee to them if they do not show the Indian channels. The cable TV business has spelled doom for Lollywood. All cable operators show English and Indian movies. They also show Lollywood movies and stage plays. The cinema business as well as that of theatres too has been badly affected.

Chairman Cable Operators Association of Pakistan, Punjab chapter, Malik Furqan Ghias spoke about the reasons for giving the strike call. 'Indian channels have been banned on cable TV, which is affecting our business. This has been done even though some channels like ARY and Geo are airing Indian content. PEMRA says that this is being done to protect Pakistani channels but we believe that there should be healthy competition. Our channels cannot become popular by this step. PTV is stated to have suffered a loss of Rs 500 million but that is not due to us. It suffered this loss when other channels took its share from the local market. There is a huge demand for Indian channels especially Star Plus and we cannot do without it. The second issue is that Wapda and KESC have been charging Rs 40 per pole every month. This has to stop. Now PEMRA is not allowing us to show CD and video channels. They are asking us not to show even English movies or advertisements. As per the PTA licence given to us prior to existence of PEMRA, we were allowed three minute commercials after every 15 minutes. PEMRA now wants to promote wireless cable like Shaheen Pay TV. They have been allowed 60 channels, the number which we have been allowed. This is injustice. We have spent millions and all our investment may be lost if our problems remained. About 200,000 people are involved in this business. Their livelihood is at stake.' Marketing Manager of WorldCall Cable said that PEMRA is imposing undue pressure on the cable operators. There is a popular demand for Indian channels which must be met because these are purely entertainment channels and are not engaged in any kind of propaganda, he said.

But there are many who think that cable TV business needs to be properly regulated and there should be strict implementation of PEMRA rules. President Pakistan Film Producers Association Mian AmjadFarzand says that government should not given in to the cable operators pressure because they are promoting Indian culture here and spoiling the young generation. When we make heavy budget movies the cable operators show them on the very day of their release. This is damaging our film industry. They show these new movies without getting permission from the producer concerned who fails to recover the money he spent on producing that movie. Only the TV channels approved by government should be aired. They do not follow the Copy Right Act. The government has to ensure that rules are implemented. We have presented a list of suggestions to the government with regard to operation of cable TV in the country. It is high time the government took notice of the situation. The rule of law must be ensured in this country.'

Nadeem Mandviwalla, Chief Executive of Mandviwalla Entertainment which imports English films, is very critical of the situation. 'We are suffering huge losses because of the illegal operations of these cable operators. We import movies after paying huge amounts but these cable operators illegally screen them. People watch these movies on cable TV for free and do not come to the cinemas. They do not have the right to broadcast but they are doing it and PEMRA is doing nothing to stop them. The government should ensure implementation of rules framed by PEMRA. The legal business should be promoted. Already the cinemas are closing down across the country. The government should settle down this issue once and for all. It should give them the right to broadcast and show movies, we will close our shop. But things should be clear. Only legal business should stay.' Film producer Mubasher Lucman is also very critical about the cable TV business.

'They are violating all the laws of PEMRA. They do not have the right to advertise or broadcast programmes. Every cable operator is running four to six channels on which he shows programmes of his choice. The film industry has been affected by this illegal screening. The theatre which was flourishing some time back is also suffering due to illegal screening of stage plays. Do these cable operators go and seek permission of producers before they screen their movies or plays? The cable operators cannot charge more than Rs 200 as monthly subscription but they continue to do that. The government should regulate things related to this business instead of succumbing to their pressure "