Re: Should Pakistan have 12 Provinces
don't you think that this will bring a change into their mentality
do you think you can divide a landlord's land into two provinces? you will end up dividing the land/provinces along landlord's boundary lines thus making him the bigger king than he is now.
Re: Should Pakistan have 12 Provinces
do you think you can divide a landlord's land into two provinces? you will end up dividing the land/provinces along landlord's boundary lines thus making him the bigger king than he is now.
Good point, I can bet you there will be a province with majority Legharis, one with majority Chaudries of Gujrat, one with majority Bhuttos of Larakana etc. Provincial autonomy is better and more viable.
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do you think you can divide a landlord's land into two provinces? you will end up dividing the land/provinces along landlord's boundary lines thus making him the bigger king than he is now.
do you think , other then big 5 cities, karachi , lahore , islamabad , queta and peshwar , all pakistan is just land occupied by landlords
does other cities don't have right to develop
today , can you compare a student from karachi to student from anyother city of sindh
isn't it the right of other cities of sindh balochistan to come out of the curruption of big cities
all the jobs are for students from big cities
students from smaller cities can't even become a clerk these days because they are far far behind
all the budget directly and indirectly going only to these cities
if there will be more provinces , budget will be divided equal in each areas rather then in sindh , karachi is eating all the budget, in punjab , lahore is eating everything, similarly others
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This is all really not as simple as it sounds. Far too many glitches beyond common perception are involved...If all those issues are delicately handled and resolved first and the decisions accepted without controversy not just by the masses but by their leaders as well, then of course this can be a very constructive change for the future.
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Inshallah! I hope this is possible. As HZ said there are many glitches beyond common perception. A change like this will only work if people understand the value of it. I think the most opposition to such a plan would initiate from the big cities fearing budget cuts however this should also instigate an exodus of people from these over crowded and over burdened cities as well. In other words if this plan is acted upon without a suitable relocation or alternative to offload people from the big cities along with developing rural areas I think this could also seriously mess up things. I guess it really depends on how people perceive it.
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do you think , other then big 5 cities, karachi , lahore , islamabad , queta and peshwar , all pakistan is just land occupied by landlords
When did I suggest that outside cities its just landlords?
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When did I say no? There are ways to do it without unnecessary division of provinces, we could simply take US model and mark areas into 'counties' withouth breaking provinces further.
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Depends on where you apply, in Karachi, govt jobs are more for rural areas, other provinces compared to the people of very same city.
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When did I suggest that outside cities its just landlords?
When did I say no? There are ways to do it without unnecessary division of provinces, we could simply take US model and mark areas into 'counties' withouth breaking provinces further.
Depends on where you apply, in Karachi, govt jobs are more for rural areas, other provinces compared to the people of very same city.
What are your reasons for opposing the idea ( I am genuinely curious, not being cynical). Here we are discussing an idea that we think will "definitely" improve the quality of life in less developed areas, and you think that it "may or may not." Unless there are significant negative aspects of this approach, why not try for somethign that even in cynics' view "may" work after all?
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The biggest benefit I see is that it'll reduce Power distance. imagine...Pothohar Chief Minister Sheikh Rasheed Ahmed. That'll make it much easier for me to access the CM than having to go to Lahore. Plus, did anyone listen to Pervez Elahi's interview with Shahid Masood? He sounded like Punjab's boundaries start and end on Lahore..most of the development works he mentioned were carried out in Lahore.
Re: Should Pakistan have 12 Provinces
What are your reasons for opposing the idea ( I am genuinely curious, not being cynical). Here we are discussing an idea that we think will "definitely" improve the quality of life in less developed areas, and you think that it "may or may not." Unless there are significant negative aspects of this approach, why not try for somethign that even in cynics' view "may" work after all?
I have been a pro-divide-country-into-more-provinces, and I still am, its just that I am skeptical...
I am presenting some counter arguments to see if anyone can counter the counters ;). The thing is that when we will divide the country into more provinces I can guarantee you that the divisions will be more in political alignment than 'fiscal/resources' alignment, the division will suit more to benefit the politicians, landlords, waderas than the common masses. Legharis, Jatois, Chaudhrys, Bhuttos will be the kings of those divided lands.
Before we go and divide country into more provinces we have to have very strong accountability system across nation, strong judiciary so the resources which are allocated for the public really get used for the public instead of someone's mansions, land improvement (of waderas/landlords).
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I am presenting some counter arguments to see if anyone can counter the counters ;). The thing is that when we will divide the country into more provinces I can guarantee you that the divisions will be more in political alignment than 'fiscal/resources' alignment, the division will suit more to benefit the politicians, landlords, waderas than the common masses. Legharis, Jatois, Chaudhrys, Bhuttos will be the kings of those divided lands.
They can be the king of their area with lot less people to rule upon. Lets say today 1000 people come under their constituency, they force these 1000 people and get a seat in assembly. Lets say these are divided into 2 constituencies (or provinces) with 500 people each, they may still rule 500 people and get a seat but for each of their seat, there will be a seat of GHAREEB HARI who belongs to other 500 who are now free of these kings ! Before they were eating all the budget of lets say 100,000 Rs and now they can only get their hands on 50,000Rs ....... things will improve eventually
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good imagination, as I said it is very very unlikely that a wadera/landlord’s area will be divided into two constituencies unless he is sitting in ‘opposition’ at the time of (hypothetical) creation of these provinces/constituencies. The only way I see to improve things is provide power to institutions like NAB, judiciary, police (money + training)… creating more provinces may be an added advantage.
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No ghareeb hari will get his own province. All you will have is Bhuttoistan, Jamalistan, Elahistan, Chaudristan etc.
And all the stans will be controlled by army in the end. Back to square one. Going back to Pakistan's original intent would be a better way. Provincial autonomy etc.
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No ghareeb hari will get his own province. All you will have is Bhuttoistan, Jamalistan, Elahistan, Chaudristan etc.
And all the stans will be controlled by army in the end. Back to square one. Going back to Pakistan's original intent would be a better way. Provincial autonomy etc.
will there be no cities in Bhuttoistan , Hamalistan , Elahista , chaudristan etc etc
to be developed
doesn't more education bring awareness in thoes area , if there will be universities in thoes area
today most of the bigger universities are only in 5 big cities and universities in other area are low standard and gov don't take care about them
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^ pehlay aap wahan school to khol ke dikha den, univ tak baad mai pohonchayn gai 
Re: Should Pakistan have 12 Provinces
Can you explain how is that a recipe for civil war?
Try to split Balochistan, Sindh, Sarhad, etc, the Balochis,Sindhi's,Pathan's etc, will only see it as a way to take their land away from them.
and with the history of Pakistan, you can't blame them for thinking that way
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as soon as the disaster came , people start saying the scale was so big and it is impossible to reach thoes areas etc etc but when budget came , it normally goes to only Karachi , lahore, islamabad , queta, peshawar
isn't it a good idea to divide each province in 3 smaller provinces and that will help in managing easily rather then with these 4 provinces and that will help to develop the country as a whole
whats your point of view, will this help in the development of country or not and will we be able to cover the disaster with this or not
good, and a tough call.
one may come up wid both proz n conz at the same time.
i would say a very intricate issue and so far everyones take is pretty impressive.
my stand is No. we pakistaniz are dishonest. rather we make palaces, n get pleasure wid dog fights than serving the country.
current anarchic situation is making me assume increment in numberz of corrupters rather the opposite.
might b in future it gonna work when economic n political strand will b stable. (ISHAALLAH)
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I really dont know how many members of this forum are inside Pakistan. People are cracking under the strain. There are people from three provinces who consider one(Punjab) as their enemy and they consider that the big brother is grabbing their resources. There is already resentment in Frontier against the ceding of Mianwali and Attock to Punjab.
We can change the mentality of every one in this country provided we consider every citizen of this country on equal footing and grant equal rights to every one. Provinces have their own resources, they may be given autonomy with some percentage to the federal government, they should be the one to deal their own affairs. We must learn a lesson from 71 debacle. We are always suspicious about the loyalties of the nationalists of the smaller provinces, and I think they are equally good Pakistanis provided we dont treat them like traitors.
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man, if people with provinces to their name are so mad, I can only imagine how mad others may be who dont even have provinces to their name.
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^^ So give them the name
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i agree dude. saraikis, hazaras etc.. all.