should Muslims believe in Pir's?

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Tauba Tauba.

Man you are accusing a fellow Muslim for not believing in Allah. This is horrible!

We need more Mullahs like you on this forum. Shabash.

FYI. Sura Falaq is a collection of duas in its verses and one of the verse says "May Allah save us from the "people" who believe in and commit witchcraft". Thus the emphasis is on bad people who want to do harm and not on the witchcraft. Got it?

You want to read the sura without siaqo sabaq and want all of us to follow your misinterpretations. Terrible.

Please quit living in a primitive world that is inhabited by tribals.

Islam is all about knowledge, while you want to us to leave all that and start believing in fairy "tails".

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[quote="burqaposhx, post:87, topic:215526"]

Where in Quran it is mentioned? the good jinns vs. bad jinns?

(a sincere question).

TBH i dont know. Doesnt it? Im sure a google search would answer that.

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Re: should Muslims believe in Pir's?

A little googling bought this up. Maybe someone can authenticate.

"The jinn are among the creatures that Allah (swt) created. The jinn race was created from fire.

"And the Jinn race, We had created before, from the fire of a scorching wind." (Quran 15:27)

They have intellect, freedom and power to choose between right and wrong. These characteristics suit the need for them to worship God.

"I have only created Jinns and men, that they may serve Me." (Quran 51:56)

They are being hold responsible for all their actions like humans do in the Judgement Day.

"On that Day no question will be asked of man or Jinn as to his sin." (Quran 55:39)

The jinn with sins are going to be placed in Hell.

He will say: "Enter ye in the company of the peoples who passed away before you - men and jinns, - into the Fire." (Quran 7:38)

Satan on the other hand is the enemy to mankind.

"Said (the father): "My (dear) little son! relate not thy vision to thy brothers, lest they concoct a plot against thee: for Satan is to man an avowed enemy!" (Quran 12:5)

Satan are consisted of both men and jinns.

"Likewise did We make for every Messenger an enemy,- evil ones among men and jinns, inspiring each other with flowery discourses by way of deception. If thy Lord had so planned, they would not have done it: so leave them and their inventions alone." (Quran 6:112)"

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Bravo !! Bravo !!

You cut my quote in post and MADE IT LOOK LIKE IM ACCUSING SOMEONE !

BRAVO !!

Go to post # 31 and read again.

people like you dont understand whats being discussed and out of curiosity and stupidity jump in and start accusing others. I as stating the fact that "witchcraft" has been mentioned in the Koran.Not about who does it or any emphasis.

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Re: should Muslims believe in Pir's?

If one doesn’t have any knowledge of Roohaniyat, then yes it is hard to believe in “Peers / Walis / Bazourg”. Yes, there are A LOT of fake peers out there. The REAL peers do not need advertising or money for their work. They don’t just sit there, in the open, and say to passers by that “yes, come to me, I will sort out your problems”. Why would they??? They have other responsibilities that Allah has given to them!! Duniya daari is of no interest to them!!

If you are a “muslim”, how can you deny that black magic exists??? No, it has nothing to do with being paindoo or uneducated. It is the illiterate that think they are above black magic. It exists!! But then again, it is hard to believe unless one has experienced it themselves….

.....and if you are a TRUE SUNNI MUSLIM, how can you deny all our AMAZING WALIS…. Hazrat Abdul Qadir Jilani (Sarkar Gaus Paak), Sarkaar Badshah Bahu (Haq Bahu), Mowlana Jalaluddin Rumi, Daata Saab (Data Ganj Baksh) and Khwaja Moinuddin Chisti to name a few…..

Islam is not restricted to just knowing and abiding the 5 pillars…. That is ONLY the beginning…..
Roohaniyat is not for everyone…. It is only for the select few…. Just having a bit of knowledge in Roohaniyat is blessing enough!!!

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Re: should Muslims believe in Pir’s?

:konfused: id ont like pirs and baba jee and all the crap.

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So what happened to the rest of 60% (or whatever this ratio is) who claims to be muslim too? I thought there was only 1 religion, and 1 nation. ISLAM and "MUSLIM". I dont just like when people call themselves "Sunni" muslim, or "Shia Muslim".

"Roohaniyat" - I've heard stories about it and I know someone who blv in that too. Blv in the fact that a person is sitting infront of you, but he's actually in 10 different places at that very instant, including performing umrah and Hajj.... Hmmmmm

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Same here… Although I respect some of the people very much who I blv are pious. I mean one could just look at their faces and see the glow/calmness/down to earthness (if that’s a word). Just even talking to them is comforting.

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So what happened to the rest of 60% (or whatever this ratio is) who claims to be muslim too? I thought there was only 1 religion, and 1 nation. ISLAM and "MUSLIM". I dont just like when people call themselves "Sunni" muslim, or "Shia Muslim".

"Roohaniyat" - I've heard stories about it and I know someone who blv in that too. Blv in the fact that a person is sitting infront of you, but he's actually in 10 different places at that very instant, including performing umrah and Hajj.... Hmmmmm
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I said "Sunni" muslims for a reason as Wahabis don't believe in peers / walis .....
...and nor did I say or mean that you are only a true muslim if you believe in the Roohaniyat side of Islam (just incase some have misunderstood)
What I meant (and what I said) was that understanding roohaniyat is not for all....

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Exactly.... a peer is not some crazy looking dude sitting in a corner of some godforsaken place, reciting some next world mumbo jumbo!!!

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True... but as soon as that pious person would ask me to ask him for help, or would say that "he" can help me... then I'd vanish from there as if I was never there...

And the fact that this "roohaniyat" claims to be able to send a person to 10 different places at a time and even perform hajj while he's sitting in a room infront of me just doesn't fit right with me.

Look, lets just say that Prophet Mohammed S.A.W.W came to me and said that he visited Mairaaj in less than few secs, I'd blv him. I'd blv all he said and his companions said and companions of his companions said. This world is so delusional that people can be manipulated very easily now.

This "Roohaniyat" and "Peeri Faqeeri" starts interfering with your direct connection to Allah SWT... And people start blv'ing so much that they'd claim, oh "peer sahab made dua which made this possible". That's where the danger is. Its open shirk and its a major sin.

Having someone as your mentor, who can provide you with some kind of logic behind a certain ruling and/or law, is perfectly fine. But when people tell you to just have "Blind Faith" in ALLL things, that's when you divert from the real truth.

I am no Aalim, but this is just my understanding.

Allah S.W.T knows best.

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I said "Sunni" muslims for a reason as Wahabis don't believe in peers / walis .....
...and nor did I say or mean that you are only a true muslim if you believe in the Roohaniyat side of Islam (just incase some have misunderstood)
What I meant (and what I said) was that understanding roohaniyat is not for all....
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This label is where the problem is. Whatever someone wants to believe in, is a personal choice and understanding. "Wahabi" and "Sunni" "Shia" , these labels didn't exist when Prophet Mohammad S.A.W.W was around or when Sahaba (R.A) were around.

"Wahab" is a name of Allah S.w.t... calling someone with that name and looking at them as from some other cast or religion sounds sinical to me...

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nobody commented on the video I posted :(

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To begin with people are not holy there is only One that is Holy and that is Allah swt.

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Re: should Muslims believe in Pir's?

A pir should be someone who teaches you the ways of walking the right path. As someone who posted above, yes you can see the calmness in their faces.

Indeed these fake pirs have given the truly righteous aulia a bad name and we tend to brush all of them in the same stroke!

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I would also like to add here that i myself am not a follower of any sufi/pir. However, the rest of my family are. They follow the tariqa of a Shiekh in Morroco by the name of Sidi Hamza. He is of the Boudshishi order. you can Google this for more info.

The Shiekh only commands two things to his mureeds. Dhikr. They recite various scripture at set times.

I cant see how anyone can have a problem with reciting the name of the most merciful.

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only ALLAH SWT has the knowledge of everything. He has "Qudrat" on every single thing exist in the world. so only ask Him SWT for the help.

GS Thanksgiving!!
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^ No truer statement exists!!!

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Since HE has Ilm-Ul-Ghaib, therefore its HIS wish if HE wants to give some of it to a pious man or not.

A hadith referring to Aulia-Karam.It has been related by ad-Daylami on the authority of Abu Hurayra who said that the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace said:

“Indeed from knowledge, there is a part which is concealed, which no one knows it except the** Knowers of Allah.** For when they speak on it, no one rejects it except the people completely heedless of Allah.”

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all the children are watching the arrivals these days. .and have weired thoughts after that !