should Muslims believe in Pir's?

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Re: should Muslims believe in Pir’s?

^^

U should be shameful that ur not updated about Hazrat Muhammad (SAW) and Koran.

One hadith that is often used against the prophet Muhammad is that of the one found in Sahih Bukhari, volume 4, book 54, and number 490. The hadith reads as follows:

Narrated 'Aisha:

Magic was worked on the Prophet so that he began to fancy that he was doing a thing which he was not actually doing. One day he invoked (Allah) for a long period and then said, “I feel that Allah has inspired me as how to cure myself. Two persons came to me (in my dream) and sat, one by my head and the other by my feet. One of them asked the other, “What is the ailment of this man?” The other replied, 'He has been bewitched” The first asked, ‘Who has bewitched him?’ The other replied, ‘Lubaid bin Al-A’sam.’ The first one asked, ‘What material has he used?’ The other replied, ‘A comb, the hair gathered on it, and the outer skin of the pollen of the male date-palm.’ The first asked, ‘Where is that?’ The other replied, ‘It is in the well of Dharwan.’ " So, the Prophet went out towards the well and then returned and said to me on his return, “Its date-palms (the date-palms near the well) are like the heads of the devils.” I asked, “Did you take out those things with which the magic was worked?” He said, “No, for I have been cured by Allah and I am afraid that this action may spread evil amongst the people.” Later on the well was filled up with earth.

http://muslim-responses.com/Black_Magic_on_the_Prophet/Black_Magic_on_the_Prophet_

In the second last ayat of Surah Al-Falak: (113:4)
“And from the evil of WITCHCRAFT when they blow in knots”

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Re: should Muslims believe in Pir's?

Communicating with or contacting Jins is not haraam, but its an ilm that not many are aware of that is why it is better to stay away from someone who is making such claim to help you out. That means that even if he can contact jins, he is using them. That is a dangerous practice.

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I was just making the point tht black-magic does exist ..
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Well you are were discussing your family and the impact of so called “black magic” on them.

If you believe in magic, then no one can convince you to change your belief system.

Thus in all my sincerity, I can only pray that Allah swt protect you and your family from whatever disease or problem that may be around your family.

Praying for someone doesn’t automatically mean that one has to accept the pig stuffed with hokus pokus.

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… u said in ur post tht *“In reality there is no black or white magic” *but in ur above post u’ve said the opposite :slight_smile:
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Black magic or white magic is in fact are the manifestation of the diseases of human mind or body.

When we cannot find the root of these diseases, or we cannot cure them, then we end up attributing them to Jin, or magic.

Got it?

Sura Naas and sura Falaq are duaas for protection against Hasad and Sharr. Thus they should not be used as proof positive for black magic.

Dua is to protect us from whatever “we feel” is threatening us or planning to hurt us.

You will go astray if you try to understand the suras without their siaqo sabaak.

1400 years ago Arabs in particular and human beings in general had (and many still have) very primitive knowledge of medicine and diseases afflicting human body and mind. That’s why they used to attribute many things to magic and jinns.

A lot of psychological and sexual disorders were considered “magic” until very recently.

So if someone is getting losing temper, they need to get their head examined. There are cancers and tumors of brain or spine that can really change one’s personality.

May Allah protect us from everything including poor knowledge.

Ameen

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Re: should Muslims believe in Pir’s?

Harut and Marut - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Peace All

Magic is part and parcel of what we call illusion and deception today. It does exist and there are ‘potions’ remnant to ‘intoxicants’ and ‘mind-altering drugs’ to todays standards. There is hypnotism which can be used to make people believe things as well. Hypnotism itself may just be a science but the art used to deceive would be parallel to what is understood as magic.

Read up about Harut and Marut and you will see that magic is mentioned explicitly in the Qur’an.

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I haven't heard about that and from what I know, that isn't correct. I'm not sure what you mean by pirs, but there are aamils who deal with jinns and magic. While there are a lot of frauds out there, there are some who are legitimate.

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the auliya e karam were known as pirs, now just because some con artists have taken the term pir for themselves does not mean that we just say pirs are fake...tomorrow if ppl start abusing terms like auliya e karam, will we say all auloiya e karam were dabba?

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how ironical ...:p

Anyways, what X2 is saying is 100% true. There are con artists out there posing themselves as doctors, lawyers, CPAs and what not. Does that make all the doctors fake?

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thats right. you worded the issue quite well.

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Calm down yar. By pir, I meant the people who practice magic like stuff to deceive people or others who make use of the name of religion to endorse their black deeds. Pretty much like we often use terms like 'Molvi' or 'Mullah' to refer to 'Neem Mulla'

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Magic is much more than illusion and deception. Hypnotism is a form but it is dangerous ways through jinns.
The magic of illusion and deception is done in presentation shows usually. Black Magic is different from it 18 degrees.

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Witchcraft is mentioned in the Surah-Al Falak, if you dont want to believe the word of ALLAH, i cant do much about it else than pray that HE shows you the true path.

About psychological and sexual disorders. on the contrary many such which were considered medical but the tests yielded positive results always were created as diseases by jealous idiotic relatives.

May ALLAH give you the insight and ability to learn more.

Ameen.

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You have poor knowledge and poor awareness on the issue of Black magic.But its ok, those who fall victim of it have an idea about it.

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Re: should Muslims believe in Pir's?

surely jinns exist as is mentioned in the Quran. And surely just like there are good jinn, there are bad jinn as well.

Magic does exist as it is mentioned as one of the major sins that will ruin your emaan.

I can relate a story here. My mother's side of the family is what you could describe as descending from a "pir". The family elder is said to have to become a mureed of Sheikh Abdul Qadir Jillani having taken baya on his hand. He also walked to Mecca to perform his Hajj. A period of 3 years it took him.

Anyway, my grandmother reports that her dad used to teach jinn, the Holy Quran in her ancestral home. She says that as a girl she could hear voices from the room where they were being taught Quran. She also said that once she went inside and there was no one but her father seated there.

Take what you will from the story but needless to say sometimes these things do exist even if not in a metaphysical way.

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Re: should Muslims believe in Pir's?

^^

I agree.

Dare..
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Re: should Muslims believe in Pir’s?

thank u everyone for ur contributions much appreciated.

from what I’ve read people are saying its not forbidden to communicate with jins. tht baffels me a little, becoz I read tht it is forbidden I will try to do some research and see If I can find anything where it says it in the Quran but for now can someoen plz watch this video and explain to me why the person is saying tht it is forbidden in Islam

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CE honey let me say it very politely.

allah said in Quran "adopt what is crystal clear and DROP what's ambiguous "

ab eger loog phir bhi panga leny sy baaz na aa'een to God bhi kia kary???

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Re: should Muslims believe in Pir's?

and about your original question, lets just be bold and disregard every ones input let see what God has to say about it.

Qur'an says:

"the ppl you call for help beside allah, would be present on judgement day as you army, so you could see if they can help you "

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Where in Quran it is mentioned? the good jinns vs. bad jinns?

(a sincere question).

OK (But the very concept of Jinn is open to interpretation).

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I am a 100% authentic fake pir.

what made you think I was anything but calm? :)

What is haram di kamai?
What is haram di kamai?
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Re: should Muslims believe in Pir's?

Talking about Pir in terms of Awlia-Karam

The Holy Prophet (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) has stated,

"There are certain of Allah's servants that have been set aside to fulfil the necessities of the people. People will call to them in their times of need. They are protected from the punishment of Almighty Allah". (Jame Saghir)

And in Koran, its written:

"Your helpers are Almighty Allah and His Rasool and those Muslims who perform Salaah and give alms and make Ruku" (5:55,Koran)