I read somewhere that communicating to jins is strictly forbidden in Islam, be it a good jin or a bad one. but then why do we have so many holy pirs in Islam communication to jins? should we believe in them if they are disobeying Allah (SWT).
Re: should Muslims believe in Pir's?
Stay away from Jinn walay pirs, they're either fake or black magicians.
Re: should Muslims believe in Pir's?
Exactly as Hareem said.
Taking someone religious as your mentor , who is pious and full of wisdom is better for your own spirituality , but still be at lookout for your own interest there are many dubba/fake pirs in this world.
Re: should Muslims believe in Pir's?
they are all fakes. well, most of them anyway.
Re: should Muslims believe in Pir's?
I was trying to explain this to my mum a few days ago. and she thought I was gone crazy. When my Aunt got married about 13 years ago she had black magic done on her and my family went to a pir who took the black magic out (I'm guessing he sent his jins to take the black magic out?) he definitely wasn't a fake. so in the case where people do black magic on others what do u do if u cant go to a pir to take it out?
I read somewhere that communicating to jins is strictly forbidden in Islam, be it a good jin or a bad one. but then why do we have so many holy pirs in Islam communication to jins? should we believe in them if they are disobeying Allah (SWT).
where do u get this from ?
Re: should Muslims believe in Pir's?
I went once with my mum, and it was a horrendous experience. Everyone there was wailing and the "pir" just looked like some deranged loon out of a mental asylum. He was a crazy kook but had enough intellect to ask for money.
I have never believed in "pirs" and I consider it a form of shirk (my own personal opinion). If you want black magic removed, read Ayat ul Kursi or better yet, pray to Allah who is far more Supreme than a lowly "pir".
where do u get this from ?
Well I read it somewhere but I cant quote it direct from the Quran mayb someone else can?
stardust I guess ur write about praying to Allah then going to a pir
.......When my Aunt got married about 13 years ago she had black magic done on her and my family went to a pir who took the black magic out (I'm guessing he sent his jins to take the black magic out?) ...
Let's talk about magic business first!
Black magic is a term coined to represent "things we do not understand but fear from them". In reality there is no black or white magic.
Now back to your aunt!
She is your khala. Right! And she was in Pak/subcontinent 13 years ago. Correct!
Desi women can and do suffer from diseases that have roots in psychological, physical, cultural, and social norms that focus on controlling their sexual behavior.
As a result desi women live under tremendous pressures and generally speaking have no "legal outlet" and ZERO access to quality medical care to deal with their physical and emotional issues.
Pir's or more correctly "medicine men" play a role in healing these women. How do these medicine men heal these women, is beyond the common knowledge. Because the healing practices are not documented.
In the absence of clearly documented methods, people call their practice "Black/white magic" depending on your belief in Piri-Mureedi.
The bottom line is that your Khala was "healed" by this pir and she is now living a happy and normal married life. Correct?
If so, then you should avoid using the terms such as "black magic". These type of terms suit ONLY the primitive uneducated societies.
FYI! Modern medicine now have many tools to detect "abnormalities" in a person. Just get the MRI and CT scans done for the patients, you will realize that every disease has clear and consistent "reasons" for its existence. Current medical knowledge may not know how to cure these, but the reasons are clearly there.
Praying for your Khala's health, and well being of your family.
Ameen.
My aunt has spent most of her life in the UK. when my dad went to Pakistan he travelled to gujarat on some other business and he found out about this pir. he went there a second time with some pictures of my family and my mums dupatta. by looking at these few things the pir (who has spent his entire life in Pakistan) was able to tell the home address of out UK home, how many children my dad had and some history about my dad. he went on to tell my dad tht someone had done black-magic on his children he told him exactly where the magic was buried describing to him in detail the description of the place where it was buried. he told my dad that the black-magic was put inside a bone of a pig and his jins where unable to take it out. in the end we had to sell that house. my aunt definitely didn't have any disease
My aunt has spent most of her life in the UK. when my dad went to Pakistan he travelled to gujarat on some other business and he found out about this pir. he went there a second time with some pictures of my family and my mums dupatta. by looking at these few things the pir (who has spent his entire life in Pakistan) was able to tell the home address of out UK home, how many children my dad had and some history about my dad. he went on to tell my dad tht someone had done black-magic on his children he told him exactly where the magic was buried describing to him in detail the description of the place where it was buried. he told my dad that the black-magic was put inside a bone of a pig and his jins where unable to take it out. in the end we had to sell that house. my aunt definitely didn't have any disease
Now you are really confusing us.
Your post #5 hinted about your aunt and black magic, and how your "family" went to this pir and he was able to heal.
Anyways, black magic exists only in the realm of "metaphysics", and thus if you believe in it, then no one can dissuade you from your position.
In reality black magic appears in the physical world in the form of sickness, disease, or mental issues. If you or your family don't have these issues, then there is no use of talking about magic.
If on the other hand, black magic had any bad effects on your family, then we all pray for your family's health, wealth, and prosperity.
Ameen.
Re: should Muslims believe in Pir's?
yes we as muslims do believe in AULIA KARAM and thus Pirs. However, there are 90% fake pirs around us, the authentic ones are hard to locate but I can help you in this regard, especially if its getting rid from Black Magic.
Now you are really confusing us.
Your post #5 hinted about your aunt and black magic, and how your "family" went to this pir and he was able to heal.
Anyways, black magic exists only in the realm of "metaphysics", and thus if you believe in it, then no one can dissuade you from your position.
In reality black magic appears in the physical world in the form of sickness, disease, or mental issues. If you or your family don't have these issues, then there is no use of talking about magic.
If on the other hand, black magic had any bad effects on your family, then we all pray for your family's health, wealth, and prosperity.
Ameen.
Black magic also appears in the form of :
- Status of wealth going down
- Fights over stupid minor misunderstandings
- outbursts of anger from a very mild-natured person.
- Heaviness of head and Laziness etc etc
My aunt has spent most of her life in the UK. when my dad went to Pakistan he travelled to gujarat on some other business and he found out about this pir. he went there a second time with some pictures of my family and my mums dupatta. by looking at these few things the pir (who has spent his entire life in Pakistan) was able to tell the home address of out UK home, how many children my dad had and some history about my dad. he went on to tell my dad tht someone had done black-magic on his children he told him exactly where the magic was buried describing to him in detail the description of the place where it was buried. he told my dad that the black-magic was put inside a bone of a pig and his jins where unable to take it out. in the end we had to sell that house. my aunt definitely didn't have any disease
The pir had some knowledge that he could find out things but couldnt give a solution.
The amil(pir) has jinns and moakils in his control which tell him about anything that u ask about a person.
Let's talk about magic business first! Black magic is a term coined to represent "things we do not understand but fear from them". In reality there is no black or white magic.
Now back to your aunt! She is your khala. Right! And she was in Pak/subcontinent 13 years ago. Correct!
Desi women can and do suffer from diseases that have roots in psychological, physical, cultural, and social norms that focus on controlling their sexual behavior.
As a result desi women live under tremendous pressures and generally speaking have no "legal outlet" and ZERO access to quality medical care to deal with their physical and emotional issues.
Pir's or more correctly "medicine men" play a role in healing these women. How do these medicine men heal these women, is beyond the common knowledge. Because the healing practices are not documented.
In the absence of clearly documented methods, people call their practice "Black/white magic" depending on your belief in Piri-Mureedi.
The bottom line is that your Khala was "healed" by this pir and she is now living a happy and normal married life. Correct?
If so, then you should avoid using the terms such as "black magic". These type of terms suit ONLY the primitive uneducated societies.
FYI! Modern medicine now have many tools to detect "abnormalities" in a person. Just get the MRI and CT scans done for the patients, you will realize that every disease has clear and consistent "reasons" for its existence. Current medical knowledge may not know how to cure these, but the reasons are clearly there.
Praying for your Khala's health, and well being of your family.
Ameen.
If you are a muslim , you should know that Black magic was done on hazrat Muhammad (SAW) and thus it exists. KORAN provides proof and cure of black magic in last two Surah's:
1.Surah Al-Falak
2.Surah Al-Naas
Read the translation of these two surah.
Re: should Muslims believe in Pir's?
I was just making the point tht black-magic does exist as u said in ur post tht *"In reality there is no black or white magic" *but in ur above post u've said the opposite :)
The pir had some knowledge that he could find out things but couldnt give a solution. The amil(pir) has jinns and moakils in his control which tell him about anything that u ask about a person.
these amil pirs u speak of, are we meant to believe in them? if so how can tht be when communication to jins is haram in Islam?
these amil pirs u speak of, are we meant to believe in them? if so how can tht be when communication to jins is haram in Islam?
Amil is someone who does chillas and other sort of amals to control jinns and other creatures.
Once u say belief. do u mean believe the information they give u when u ask them something or believe as in follow them?
In my own knowledge, a dervish (buzurg,fakir,WALI-ALLAH)lives in a world filled with supernatural beings like spirits and jinns etc, and he communicates with them. About others I now have to search for some ayat or hadith about communication with jinn
It is really sad to know that so many educated people believe in pirs, magic etc.
The 'Auliya Karam' were the people who were very pious and close to Allah and all what they did was to preach Islam and make the people understand it better and set example before them in their person. They shouldn't equated with pirs.
Moreover, the holy prophet (pbuh) was never under any spell at all. The last two surrahs don't reveal any such info to us. These surrahs are prayers to seek Allah's protection from many ills, ill effects of the things He created etc.