Indian newschannels reported that India wants senior officials of Pakistan’s powerful Inter Services Intelligence (ISI) added to the UN international terrorist list. Do you think will succeed? These ar folks like Hamid Gul etc.
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Even if it goes, China vetoes, end of story, thank you come again!
Indian news channels 
Can’t you guys flush them out?
Everybody has to flush their own
Everybody has to flush their own
Thats why I am asking "Indians" to flush theirs ;)
Indian newschannels reported that India wants senior officials of Pakistan's powerful Inter Services Intelligence (ISI) added to the UN international terrorist list. Do you think will succeed? These ar folks like Hamid Gul etc.
I have moved all Indian News channels to Comedy category of my Dish-list :)
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On a serious note, what would Pakistan's reaction be if ISI is placed on the terrorist sponsors list?
On a serious note, what would Pakistan's reaction be if ISI is placed on the terrorist sponsors list?
that would be like placing pakistan govt and esp military on terrorist list . Indians may get an orgasm just at the thought of this but it's highly unlikely , one reason has been mentioned by our Vulcan friend above
US moves to declare former Pakistani officers international terrorists - The Long War Journal
The US government is seeking to add several former Pakistani intelligence officers to the United Nations’ list of international terrorists, The News reported. A senior US intelligence official familiar with the effort to reign in Pakistan’s intelligence service confirmed to The Long War Journal the US wants to get the United Nations Security Council to designate several senior former officers of Pakistan’s Inter-Service Intelligence agency as international terrorists.
Included on the list of former Pakistani intelligence officers being submitted to the UNSC are Hamid Gul, Javid Nasir, and Zahirul Islam Abbasi, as well as Aslam Beg, a senior Army officer, the intelligence official said.
The placement of the former Pakistani officers on the United Nations list would open their international accounts up to scrutiny and eventual seizure, the US official said. “We could do some major damage” to the officers’ “slush funds” in international bank accounts. The US will also seek to place the officers on INTERPOL’s wanted list.
News of the US move broke after Gul spoke to the Pakistani press about being added to the list. Gul “was informed of this by a highly responsible person, who had personally seen the written US request,” The News reported.
The US intelligence official expressed concern that Gul still has access to such sensitive information. Gul’s knowledge of the effort “is indicative that he still has friends in very high places.”
According to The News, Gul said “the government should immediately move to protect the ISI from this indirect attack from Washington. He said the United States and some other Western nations were against him for the simple reason that he did not support their war on terror which, he said, was based on Washington’s greed for energy.”
Gul’s message is calculated to rally support within Pakistan’s intelligence community, the US official said. “He is playing to a very particular crowd there, to convince people in the ISI that those against him are also against them.”
Both the United States and India have accused the Lashkar-e-Taiba, a Pakistani-based terror group backed by the ISI, of conducting last week’s 62 hour assault on Mumbai that resulted in more than 180 Indians and foreigners killed and more than 300 wounded. Indian police captured a terrorist who admitted to training inside camps Pakistan and to being a member of Lashkar-e-Taiba.
While there have been no direct links between the Mumbai attackers and the Pakistani government, India has accused the Pakistani government of allowing numerous groups to operate on its soil. India has demanded the Pakistani government hand over about 20 wanted terror leaders and operatives, including Hafiz Saeed, the leader of the Lashkar-e-Taiba.
Elements of the Pakistani state may have aided in the training of the Mumbai terrorists and the execution of the operation. The captured terrorist claimed members from Pakistani Navy aiding in his training, while Dawood Ibrahim, the ISI-backed mafia don, provided logistical support. Indian intelligence sources told PTI that the country has “proof that the Inter Services Intelligence was involved in planning the Mumbai terror attacks and training the terrorists.” The unconfirmed report stated “the names of trainers and the places where meticulous training took place are also known to the government.” US intelligence has additional information, according to the report.
Just this year, the ISI was directly implicated in the suicide attack on the Indian embassy in Kabul. Fifty-four people, including an Indian defense attaché, were killed in the July 7 bombing. The Indian embassy bombing was carried out by the Haqqani Network, with the direct backing of the ISI, The US confronted the Paksitani government with evidence of the ISI’s involvement in August. Within two months after the US confrontation with Pakistan, Lieutenant General Nadeem Taj, the Director of the ISI, was relieved of his command,
Background on Gul, Nasir, Abbasi, and Beg
The four senior retired Pakistani officers put forth to be sanctioned by the United Nations have a long history of dealing with extremist groups, and particularly al Qaeda, the Taliban, and the Kashmiri terror groups.
Lieutenant General (Retired) Hamid Gul served as the chief of the ISI from 1987 to 1989. Gul is known as the Godfather of the Taliban for his efforts to organize the fight against the Soviets in Afghanistan from 1979 to 1989, and the helping to facilitate the rise of the Taliban in the 1990s. Gul supports the terrorist insurgency in India-occupied Kashmir and opposes the US-led effort to defeat Islamic extremism.
“God will destroy the US in Iraq and Afghanistan and wherever it will try to go from there,” Gul said in August 2003. “The Muslim world must stand united to confront the U.S. in its so-called War on Terrorism, which is in reality a war against Muslims. Let’s destroy America wherever its troops are trapped.” Gul openly admits he maintains contacts with the Taliban and other extremist groups.
Lieutenant General (Retired) Javid Nasir commanded the ISI from 1992 to May 1993. After the Soviet withdrawal from Afghanistan, Nasir helped unite the warring mujahideen factions and establish a government. Nasir, and avowed Islamist, provide support to terrorist movements throughout South Asia, the Middle East, and North Africa. Nasir, along with Gul, kept in close contact with Osama bin Laden in the 1990s.
Major General (Retired) Zahirul Islam Abbasi was a senior officer in the ISI during the Afghan war and served as a senior military commander. In 1995, he led a failed coup against Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto. He planned to kill the entire senior leadership of the Army command. Abbasi was implicated in the plot along with Qari Saifullah Akhtar, the leader of the radical Harkat-ul-Jihad-al-Islami, an al Qaeda and Taliban-linked group. Akhtar later testified against Abbasi, who was then sentenced to seven year in prison. He was released by Pervez Musharraf after serving just four.
General (Retired) Mirza Aslam Beg served as Chief of Army Staff of the Pakistan Army after the mysterious death of General Muhammad Zia ul Haq in 1998. Beg is known to profess sympathy for the Taliban, al Qaeda, and Kashmir terror groups. He has openly bragged that foreigners train in Afghanistan and fight in Kashmir. Beg, along with Gul, purportedly met with Osama bin Laden and more than 300 jihadi leaders at Darul Uloom Haqqania Islamic conference held in Peshawar in January 2001.
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Would US put its think-tank members who created AlQaida on terrorist list? :aq:
that would be like placing pakistan govt and esp military on terrorist list . Indians may get an orgasm just at the thought of this but it's highly unlikely , one reason has been mentioned by our Vulcan friend above
Not so sure if they only put ex-ISI jihadists on this list. I see no reason for China to support jihdaists, even if Pakistani.
What nonsense !!!! The Idea and theory are both absurd and typical Indian ploy like many other things. Rest assured there will be more to follow.
Some times I wonder,,, Is this country 'India' ever feel ashamed or embarrased by their sheer stupidty and girly whining ??? or they'r just born this way ?
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I think it will good for Pakistan if this happens. We can longer afford to let ISI officers think they can get away with anything they want in Pakistan. There have to be some consequences of their madness.
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I think it will good for Pakistan if this happens. We can longer afford to let ISI officers think they can get away with anything they want in Pakistan. There have to be some consequences of their madness./quote]
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It would be useless if you remove RAW off the table. (Pakistan does not indulge in such stupid ideas) although I'm sure they will cross this bridge when they get to it.
LOL, ROFL ,, I think you are doing your own 'little Jihad' here on gupshup.
Your Bharat Maa must be very proud of you.
US suspects ISI role in Mumbai attacks
Fri, 05 Dec 2008 08:37:17 GMT
**A former US official says ex-Pakistani officers from Inter-Services Intelligence may have helped train the attackers who targeted Mumbai. **
Press TV - US suspects ISI role in Mumbai attacks
A former Defense Department official in Washington, who spoke to the New York Times on condition of anonymity, said that American intelligence analysts suspect that former officers of Pakistan’s powerful spy agency and its army helped train the Mumbai attackers.
However, no specific links had been uncovered yet between the militants and the Pakistani civilian government, the official said.
Also, unnamed Indian officials told the Press Trust of India that the names of ISI trainers and the places where meticulous training took place are known to the Indian government. They also added that the United States is believed to have even more evidence, some of which it has shared with India.
US Attorney General Michael Mukasey also confirmed that FBI agents were working with Indian police to provide assistance and gather evidence about the Mumbai terror attacks, according to the Hindustan Times.
Meanwhile, US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice held meetings with Pakistani leaders in Islamabad in an effort to pressure the country to cooperate fully in tracking down the perpetrators of the bloody attacks.
Rice who described the scope and the ‘level of the sophistication’ of the attacks on the Indian financial capital as unprecedented, demanded the world community to cooperate against the global terrorism.
“It was a sophisticated attack and such level of sophistication that we haven’t seen here in the subcontinent before. This remind us that it is a global struggle and all responsible states will have to play their role in making certain that the terrorist cannot get away with this kind of attack,” Rice said while giving her assessment of the level of terrorist threat following the Mumbai attacks, at a news conference on Thursday in Islamabad.
Last week’s attacks at multiple locations in India’s financial capital stunned the country, with many describing it as India’s 9/11. It was horrible enough that it happened to Indians and also citizens from 10 different countries.
A war of words erupted when India pointed the finger at Pakistan, and demanded the extradition of 20 suspects it says are linked to the attacks. The senior Indian officials and intelligence reports suggested the attacks were carried out by the Pakistan-based Kashmiri militant group Lashkar-e-Taiba.
Lashkar-e-Taiba is banned in Pakistan. The group’s links to Al-Qaeda remain murky though its fighters are said to have turned up in Afghanistan and Iraq. A spokesman for Jamaat-u-Dawa, a parent organization of Lashkar has however denied any links between the group and the attacks.
Islamabad continues to express skepticism of Pakistani involvement and have resisted handing over 20 suspects demanded by India.
Earlier on Monday, Pakistani President Asif Ali Zardari warned of militant’s capability to destabilize the whole region.
Zardari’s warning over the spread of violence in the whole region comes as the country has been hit by a wave of violence and has lost thousands of lives after the country’s former military ruler joined Bush administration’s ‘war in terror’ in the aftermath of 9/11 attacks.
Bold and red tells the story.
BTW, kia government hai, attack sai pehley kuch nahi pata, attack k dauraan hee ISI trainer k naam bhee maloom ho gaeey. Looks like each terrorist has a plastic coated resume on them.
Guys this is serious.
This is time for Pak army to “purge” ex-officers who have become Pan-Islamists and hence anti-Pakistan.
Hameed Gul is certainly on top of the list.
This matter should not be taken lightly. The link between Hameed Gul and LeT is somewhat similar to the Iranian revolutionary guard officers and Hizbullah.
Once you associate yourself with terrorist organization, and after repeated warnings, don’t cut off the links, the end result will always be some kind of sanctions.
PNN reports Hameed Gul want to call “emergency” meeting of “Oh-I-see”. That’s laughable. OIC even it comes at the “command” of Hameed gul won’t be able to say few pathetic words.
Pakistan News Service - PakTribune
OIC hasn’t done anything worth a dime in the last half century. And hameed gul thinks now they will come save him.
Hameed Gul character is danger to Pakistan and Pak army. It is time for him to apologize or be sent to the gallows.
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^ A man who has retired since ages, is becoming a threat for speaking his piece of mind.
If you want to do what you are suggesting then, Gen Taj (Musharrafs nephew) and Musharraf himself would have to be 'purged' too, for being the flag bearers of this tawwa-islamism you keep referring to.
This is indeed very serious for Pakistan. These allegations and threats should not be taken lightly by Pakistan. Forget about a military attack on Pakistan, these type of allegations and threats will take Pakistan towards designation of one of the terrorist sponsoring nations.