Re: Should India support Malaysian Indians?
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It's just about, when those radical Hindus (Hindutva) take over. You'll see laws on that soon. When police and government back racist actions of hindutva and co on many occasions. What for do you need laws then?
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so now you have become a fortune teller. good for you.
Re: Should India support Malaysian Indians?
It is only massive ignorance if someone sys Indian law suppresses minorities. In fact it goes overboard in providing too much preference to most minorities. The only minority that is treated shabbily in Indian law is the Brahmins.
Coming back to the Malaysian situation - Ali_R, please gets some facts before commenting. You started with the 'those bad tamil hindu indians' but when that didn't go anywhere tried the 'how come chinese are billuionaires and not Indians' and now looking for some other straw to demean India. Doesn't work.
Re: Should India support Malaysian Indians?
StirCasey,
I have not held Indian law responsible for the atrocities at minorities all over India. On the contrary, I have made the government and police responsible all this. Read my post above again.
If I’m ignorant to understand the justice system of Indian, then provide me with examples where minorities have found shelters under indian law.
I’m not against healthy protests against a state and It’s policies. To exaggerate and proclaim they have never done justice to Tamils, is utterly stupid.
My UAE comparison is very justified, since I see the same happening sooner or later, when expats turn citizens. Then do remember me, coz there will be worse cases of human violations, then ever seen in any of these countries.
It’s just a matter of time.
For those who still ignore the fact on hinduism:
Derives from the Vedas, any one can read about it.
Same applies on Sikhism.
Many Hindus and Sikhs tend to ingore these facts.
And not doing so Is their personal matter.
Re: Should India support Malaysian Indians?
What we have here, Indians from India are feeling pains of Malaysians who happend to be from India Once moved or forced to move to Malaysia ( BTW they could have returned after the independence, i wonder why they didn't) way back in history.
Now that particular minority is struggling for their rights from their own govt. what problem does India have with that.. I mean y Inda is meddling in other countries affairs... it is an internal Issue of Malaysia and let them deal with it.
Compare to India ( and with other Asian Countries) Malaysia has progressed all the way, and is one of the few developed countries in Asia. This shows that, not only the people but the govt. of Malaysia is quite aware from the fact that how they can solve the issues, and they need no instructions/interference of any kind specially from a country like India...
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I hope white britishers treat pakistanies the same way. Then I will wonder why pakistanies didnt return to Pakistan after independence or as late as 9/11.
Re: Should India support Malaysian Indians?
What we have here, Indians from India are feeling pains of Malaysians who happend to be from India Once moved or forced to move to Malaysia ( BTW they could have returned after the independence, i wonder why they didn't) way back in history.
Now that particular minority is struggling for their rights from their own govt. what problem does India have with that.. I mean y Inda is meddling in other countries affairs... it is an internal Issue of Malaysia and let them deal with it.
Compare to India ( and with other Asian Countries) Malaysia has progressed all the way, and is one of the few developed countries in Asia. This shows that, not only the people but the govt. of Malaysia is quite aware from the fact that how they can solve the issues, and they need no instructions/interference of any kind specially from a country like India...
progress is one thing son, but discrimination is another. In India there is no discrimination based on religion. Govt is going out of its way to help minorities with job reservation and education. In malaysia they are doing the other way round. They discriminate hindus in jobs, preference is given to malay muslims(positive reservation for majorits, because they feel that muslims are a disadvantage against superior chinese work force). I can understand if such discrimination is based on citizenship rights, but when these people have been living there for a century and a half, its difficult to digest!
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My UAE comparison is very justified, since I see the same happening sooner or later, when expats turn citizens. Then do remember me, coz there will be worse cases of human violations, then ever seen in any of these countries.
It's just a matter of time.
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Expats turning citizens in UAE. Boy gimme a break. That is a big if..
The comparison is totally unjustified and defies all logic. You think it is OK to be born in a country as a second class citizen. i.e You do not have a choice. For you it might not sound difficult with the kind of governments your country has.. but for a person living in a free country it defies all logic to say the least.
Re: Should India support Malaysian Indians?
Expats turning citizens in UAE. Boy gimme a break. That is a big if.. The comparison is totally unjustified and defies all logic. You think it is OK to be born in a country as a second class citizen. i.e You do not have a choice. For you it might not sound difficult with the kind of governments your country has.. but for a person living in a free country it defies all logic to say the least.
Like buying property once...
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They are not indians. PERIOD. Inappropriate topic name chosen by thread starter(deliberately). Hope he participates in the "discussion" as well.
Most of the funding which LTTE gets is from there. They need a spanking as well. By this i am not telling malaysian government isn't with any fault. I guess there are preferential treatment given to native malays.
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Ajtr, again you fail to understand diplomatic cross firing between those two countries regardless of their "friendly" attitude:
This is the very subject. You applaud Hindu Org for backing Tamil rights. I have not seen vialotion of rights by Malasiyan Government (Its their law). Try this at UAE and next day you are *deported *(and India will keep It's mouth shut I promise!). Integrate or leave, Isn't that what many wanted in America after 911 from Muslims as well? And we did.
Deported to where? These are Malasian Citizens, so they can't be deported. Yes they can be killed or jailed for doing peaceful protest. Do you think its moral justice to jail them or beat the unarmed protestors. I am not an expert in the Malasian law, but its common sense that what the government is doing is morally wrong.
In any country where sensible people live, every citizen should have same rights...
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It's just about, when those radical Hindus (Hindutva) take over. You'll see laws on that soon. When police and government back racist actions of hindutva and co on many occasions. What for do you need laws then?
You really have no idea about the Indian way of life - There can be no extremist governement in India. Most Indians do not support any kind of extremism.
If and when that happens you can discuss it here - For now get back to reality
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Derives from the Vedas, any one can read about it.
Same applies on Sikhism.
Many Hindus and Sikhs tend to ingore these facts.
And not doing so Is their personal matter.
Indian law is not based on Veda's, so the discussion is useless. If you want to discuss Veda's, open another thread in religion...
Re: Should India support Malaysian Indians?
What we have here, Indians from India are feeling pains of Malaysians who happend to be from India Once moved or forced to move to Malaysia ( BTW they could have returned after the independence, i wonder why they didn't) way back in history.
Now that particular minority is struggling for their rights from their own govt. what problem does India have with that.. I mean y Inda is meddling in other countries affairs... it is an internal Issue of Malaysia and let them deal with it.
I think the bias is on your part. Think about it.
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India should worry about giving better treatment to the 300 million low caste Hindu's, who still in practical slave-like conditions after thousands of years. I am sure the treatement of Malaysia's Indian's are far, far better than the way Indian's as a whole treat the Dailts and Sudra's.
Re: Should India support Malaysian Indians?
India should worry about giving better treatment to the 300 million low caste Hindu's, who still in practical slave-like conditions after thousands of years. I am sure the treatement of Malaysia's Indian's are far, far better than the way Indian's as a whole treat the Dailts and Sudra's.
the govt of indiA also represents the dalits. We are a democracy, not some authoritarian general ruling with bunch of self centered generals and judges.
Besides many in malaysia would fall in the catogory of shudras and dalits. So it is normal for muslims to discriminate based on caste is it.!!
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the govt of indiA also represents the dalits. We are a democracy, not some authoritarian general ruling with bunch of self centered generals and judges. Besides many in malaysia would fall in the catogory of shudras and dalits. So it is normal for muslims to discriminate based on caste is it.!!
Yeah Muslims discriminate on caste that is why a lot of dalits and shudras actually converted to Islam!
Our authoritarian general may be all that but he is facing demonstrations from the people. We are not taking it sitting down. The general has had to doff the uniform and if he does not listen to the people he will have to go as well.
You may be a democracy but that does not ameliorate the repression that minorities have had to endure. I think members from every single religious minority and lower castes has been set on fire (Mybe Tibetan buddhists are an exception). Gujerat, Babri Masjid, Golden Temple, even christians including Graham Staines and his two boys aged 7 and 9 sleeping in their jeep.
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You are trying to dis my country? Don't you dare!
Yeah Muslims discriminate on caste that is why a lot of dalits and shudras actually converted to Islam!
This is true. But you will be very surprised to hear what they actually do after the 'conversion'! I mean, really surprised.
Our authoritarian general may be all that but he is facing demonstrations from the people. We are not taking it sitting down. The general has had to doff the uniform and if he does not listen to the people he will have to go as well.
The general had to take the uniform of because USA decided he shall. Nothing to do with what the Pakistani people wanted. Yes you are taking it sitting down and worse. There have been negligible public protest. There was more opposition about red mosque incident than about 'emergency'. The only way Musharaf 'has to go' is when USA is done with him. Everybody know that.
]You may be a democracy but that does not ameliorate the repression that minorities have had to endure. I think members from every single religious minority and lower castes has been set on fire (Mybe Tibetan buddhists are an exception). Gujerat, Babri Masjid, Golden Temple, even christians including Graham Staines and his two boys aged 7 and 9 sleeping in their jeep.
Well you think you think but you don't. Why did you leave out the Hindus that were killed? In a country of 1b+ people we have lived in general harmony for all these decades in spite of poverty and are now making some great progress. You guys just grab on to the Hindu-Muslim Gujarat and let your eyes turn blind to the millions and millions of people living next to each other!
What the h do you know about Golden Temple? You guys tried your hardest to get the Sikhs riled up against India. What happened? Even when a Sikh guard murdered Indira Gandhi, there was no genocide of Sikhs! Your isi failed so miserably! About half the officers and more than half of the troops that had your disowned soldiers for practice were Sikhs (and a big portion of the rest was a regiment with a Tamil majority - just in case you suddenly remember you forgot to mention Tamils!)
Then you tried the so called mujahideen in Kashmir. What happened? They reared back and are biting your own rears now! That is what happens to everybody who tries to harm Bharath. Now you face your own music with the whole world laughing at the daily charade of ex_PMs returning, re-deporting, jail on arrival, disqualified from poll, wardi- no wardi - wardi, CJ in court arrest, then home arrest then re-arrest, Imran Khan yelling 'life in danger' through his dovirced wife (!), Bhutto promising your "crown jewel" Khan to US .... I can go on and on an on! Oh let us also not forget your army surrendering to the frontier militia.....
So don't you ever ever dis my country!
Jai Bharath!
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progress is one thing son, but discrimination is another. In India there is no discrimination based on religion. Govt is going out of its way to help minorities with job reservation and education. In malaysia they are doing the other way round. They discriminate hindus in jobs, preference is given to malay muslims(positive reservation for majorits, because they feel that muslims are a disadvantage against superior chinese work force). I can understand if such discrimination is based on citizenship rights, but when these people have been living there for a century and a half, its difficult to digest!
In that case India is no positin to talk about discrimination, because the majority of Indian Population is Hindu and they practice the worst "discrimination system" ever in human system.
2ndly and most importantly, if India should only speak the she has provided the same rights to their minorities, who are living for more them 8 centuries... but i Indians are unable to see the it cause of bias nature or something like that...
anyway i still didn't get the answer, that what RIGHT does India have to interfere in Malaysian business
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I think the bias is on your part. Think about it.
i think this is another term invented by non-muslims, when they don't find any logical answer for any event they label muslims as bias.. my question to you is.
what RIGHT does India have to interfere in Malaysian business.
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India should worry about giving better treatment to the 300 million low caste Hindu's, who still in practical slave-like conditions after thousands of years. I am sure the treatement of Malaysia's Indian's are far, far better than the way Indian's as a whole treat the Dailts and Sudra's.
Well Reza, where you are right you are right.
Now lets see the response for the pro-Indian movement. There are some rare examples of Indians here, who have realized same protests held on Indian soil by some Muslims, Dailts, Sudra's would even result in worse dealing with them by police and government. Whatever the law says!