Should India support Malaysian Indians?

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Should India support Malaysian Indians (mostly Tamils) or is it meddling in internal affairs of Malaysia? Malaysia treats Indians like second class citizens and oppressed in all possible ways. Since ethnic Indians and Indian workers are not allowed to become officials in Malaysian Government or do business on their own. A huge number of Tamils are working as sanitary employees or road workers. If a Indian wants to start a medium size business, they must have a Malay partner, who would invest a small amount or even nothing, then only Indians get necessary government clearance.

Former deputy prime minister of Malaysia, Anwar Ibrahim, has told NDTV that India is right in taking up the issue of ethnic Tamils in the country.

http://www.ndtv.com/convergence/ndtv/story.aspx?id=NEWEN20070034578&ch=12/1/2007%2010:19:00%20PM

Ibrahim, who is in Mumbai, said that ‘‘the present government has taken a wrong stand on the ethnic conflict in Malaysia.’’

He said that ethnic Indians cannot be marginalized and they are part of Malaysia.

Supporting India’s stand, he observed that the Indian government has taken a right stand by taking the issue forward.

There was a mild rebuff by the Malaysian government on Saturday following External Affairs Minister Pranab Mukherjee’s comments expressing concern over the alleged mistreatment of ethnic Indians in Malaysia.

Speaking to the Malaysia-based The Star newspaper foreign minister Syed Hamid Albar said ‘‘I hope there is no misunderstanding of what is happening here.’’

‘‘If they are talking about Indian citizens, we would understand the concern. But what happened involves Malaysian citizens. If they break any law, it is our right to deal with them in accordance with Malaysian laws,’’ said Albar.

Marginalisation of ethnic Indians

Albar said if foreign governments start to question ethnicity in the country, Malaysia would eventually face a break-up.

Indians account for eight per cent of Malaysia’s 27 million people, the third biggest group after ethnic Malays and Chinese.

At least 10,000 ethnic Indians took part in a demonstration, banned by the government, here last Sunday complaining about alleged marginalisation of ethnic Indians in Malaysia and 94 people have been charged.

Tamil Nadu Chief Minister M Karunanidhi in a letter to Prime Minister Manmohan Singh also said he was ‘‘pained’’ at the plight of ethnic Tamils to which a senior Malaysian minister Nazri Aziz ticked him off saying he should ‘‘lay off’’ from affairs in Malaysia.

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God bless the Malaysian government :jhanda:

Malaysian goverment has been good to all its citizens no wonder Malaysia is one of the richest countries in Asia, after japan and taiwan. Malaysian Muslim government has turned this poor third world country into a first world nation !!!

The Malaysian government does NOT discriminate against minorities, that is why 60% of the malaysian economy is in the hands of chinese malaysians who are like 30% of the population and most of the billionares in malaysia are from minority chinese community. There are no gujrat-like riots in malaysia, there are no babri-masjid like destruction of temples in Malaysia. Malaysia is a much tolerant prosperous country compared to India.

These “indian” tamil hindu trouble makers are NOT even from malaysia, they were brought to malaysia by the british. These are the same people who are sending money to the criminals of the “tamil tigers”

The government of Malysia has EVERY right to give first economic priority to the native malays, but still the minorities are still rich and treated fairly.

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indian hindu trouble makers? do you even know what they are protesting in Malaysia? the government there has been trying to force muslim laws on all of the population and the Indians and Chinese do not like it. But since the Indian population is small, they have traditionally suffered the most and now they are protesting.

BTW what happened to people like you? I thought you guys supported the Tamil cause in Sri Lanka, so why is it now suddenly a problem for you? I guess the only type of struggle you will support is where people strap bombs on to kill. These Indians in Malaysia conducted peaceful protest and so you don't support them.

ultimately you probably look at this as a budding taleban country is being questioned by Indians. I understand that knowing your mentality (not you personally but people like you in general).

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Indian Malaysians have a much better income then indians in India !!!

If malaysian muslims are persecuting minorities then why is it then chinese malaysians who are 30% of the population control 60% of that country's wealth ? why is it that 90% of billionares in malaysia are chinese minority if the malaysian goverment is persecuting minorities economically?

If chinese could become rich, why couldn't indians ?

Malaysia is NOT trying to force muslim laws on minorities !!!! minorities have all the religious freedom that is why indians are grabbing their lota and flocking to malaysia in thousands every year.

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^ what has Malaysian Indians and Indian Indian's income to do with this? India is still a poor country but then you know it is changing and that is probably part of your problem here. India and Indians are asserting themselves and I just hope one day you guys will get to feel that same pride too.

Instead of asking why 90% of billionaires in Malaysia are Chinese, so why can't Indians be billionaires too, common sense would dictate you first ask why the Malays who are double the chinese population do not come anywhere near the chinese there? After all Indians are only about 7% of population there.

As to Malaysia not trying to force muslim laws, I will let you hve the pleasure of googling what all have happened within last few years.

I notice you have now stopped your rant about Tamils and Hindus and have started referring to them as Indians.

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^^ It is a shame that Malaysian government is going overboard in shoving one religion down the throats of everyone.

Malay Muslims are pretty downtrodden and kind of similar to our Tribal Swatis. Just like Swatis, they want to force their version of Islam unto others.

I think Indians in Malaysia have every right to protest (peacefully and no suicide bombing please).

I think it is time that India must raise this issue on International forum and convince Malay Muslims for treating Hindus in a better way.

Hopefully this will help Indian Muslims in India as well.

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First of all Indian goverment has NO moral authority to tell malaysia anything. It is the same indian goverment that was watching like couch potato while 2000 sikh were burned to eternity in 1984 dehli riots. it is the same indian goverment that didn't to any thing to stop 2000 Muslims from being sent out of this world in gujrat riots and it is the same indian goverment that let babri-masjid stuff go on.

In Malaysia there are no riots or destruction of temples or anything like that. Malaysia has the largest number of hindu temples outside of India !!!! People are free to believe what ever they want to believe.

As for indians being poor, it is a fact that malaysian goverment gives preferences to local malays by the policy of brahmaputra. It is not unique to malaysia. Many countries give economic preferences to their own local people. It is for this reason alone that malays who who are 60% of the population use to control only 10% of the economy, and thanks to the goverment policies malay middle class has emerged.

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It is not good for Malaysia to ignore merit and give preferences to only Malay people.

secondly

Malay are not the only "local" people of Malaysia. Malaysia has been home to non-Malay "locals" for a long long time.

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have you ever searched google just search "malaysia destruction of temples", you will get the results.

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As for indians being poor, it is a fact that malaysian goverment gives preferences to local malays by the policy of brahmaputra. It is not unique to malaysia. Many countries give economic preferences to their own local people. It is for this reason alone that malays who who are 60% of the population use to control only 10% of the economy, and thanks to the goverment policies malay middle class has emerged.
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First of all those are not indians, they are ethinic indians who are citizens of Malaysia. Now tell a country where the economic laws are discriminated constitutionally based on race.

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Why don't you guys do the same where you live? You don't have a problem with whisky, rum and vodka countries (Let me remind you that even a hindu is denied of liqueur consumption). Under laws of the christians with neo cons ruling all over you seem to be pretty amused. But when It's all about Muslims and Islam you start your rants of hate.

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well i think discussion was about ethnic indians vs Malays.how come hindu,islam and muslim crept in.India can raise this issue with international forums like un etc or with Malaysian govt.but for that india must be in a position to carry its weight around(like wat china did during 1969 malay chinese riots) in order not to get snubbed by malayisian govt or that india must ve leader like Mao(not like MMS whoes strings r pulled by each and every one in govt.) at the center who can make sure that india's must be taken seriously by malaysian govt.

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Ajtr, come on!
It is so obvious.

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Ethnic Indians form 7 per cent of Malaysia's 26 million people. New Delhi's expression of solidarity came as the Hindu rights group behind Sunday's protest said its leader had left for India before heading to London, Geneva, Brussels and Washington to lobby for international support.
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I don't want my country to opress anyone. One just require common sence to determine the difference between good or bad.

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You don't have a problem with whisky, rum and vodka countries (Let me remind you that even a hindu is denied of liqueur consumption). Under laws of the christians with neo cons ruling all over you seem to be pretty amused.
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With your logic what ever christians with neo cons doing is wrong, then stop using the things invented by them as they are built by bad people. My country laws are based on western laws, that doesn't mean that we are living under them. Better read your post a couple more times and try to find is that making any sense. Where did you find that hindus are denied of consuming liquor.

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But when It's all about Muslims and Islam you start your rants of hate.
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none of my concern.

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If thats the case then kudos to Malaysian Hindus for taking up the cause of the ethnic indian community which has been living in Malaysia since the time of Chola daynasty(9th century AD).And India as parent country is not wrong in taking up their issue as even former deputy prime minister of Malaysia said that india is right in taking up their issue.

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Ajtr,
again you fail to understand diplomatic cross firing between those two countries regardless of their "friendly" attitude:

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Malaysia warns India about meddling
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This is the very subject. You applaud Hindu Org for backing Tamil rights. I have not seen vialotion of rights by Malasiyan Government (Its their law). Try this at UAE and next day you are deported (and India will keep It's mouth shut I promise!). Integrate or leave, Isn't that what many wanted in America after 911 from Muslims as well? And we did.

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I see so there is no oppression in India, regarding minority, casts and and and. You are a perfect state then.

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With your logic what ever christians with neo cons doing is wrong, then stop using the things invented by them as they are built by bad people. My country laws are based on western laws, that doesn't mean that we are living under them. Better read your post a couple more times and try to find is that making any sense. Where did you find that hindus are denied of consuming liquor.
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Who said I blame them for wrongs and I simply relay on shariah without knowing the world has changed since 600+? Don't assume.

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Cannabis use is stigmatised by Hindu's the world over but if you ask real priests in India about its position compared to alcohol they will tell you that cannabis and only cannabis is acceptable to a Hindu, and priests are only allowed Bhang and Ganja but not allowed alcohol.
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Read the Vedas (the unchanged version of It) you might understand that a Brahman is not suppose to touch It. Hence It's a sin. Priests do matter in your society in politics and your cultural environment. Don't they?

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Give me a single law in indian constitution which denies rights to minorities. I am not talking about people .. you can find all types of people in a society.

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Read the Vedas (the unchanged version of It) you might understand that a Brahman is not suppose to touch It. Hence It's a sin. Priests do matter in your society in politics and your cultural environment. Don't they?
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First you have to understand the logic that "All brahmans are hindus" but "not all hindus are brahmans" .. $hit.. replying to you is like lecturing a kid.

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It's just about, when those radical Hindus (Hindutva) take over. You'll see laws on that soon. When police and government back racist actions of hindutva and co on many occasions. What for do you need laws then?

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First you have to understand the logic that "All brahmans are hindus" but "not all hindus are brahmans" .. $hit.. replying to you is like lecturing a kid.
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I see you igonring my quoted text. Sheer igonrance, besides brahmans are to reflect the "sober" hindu I thought. Who are worshipped like Gods in India (respectfully).

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well here is the question of the rights of ethnic indian who r the citizen of malaysia and in no sense any country can ask its citizen to leave.the example of UAE u gave is a bad example.in UAE they r expatriate indians who went there on work visa.and uae has every rigt to deport them to india even on slghtest violation of law coz they r not the citizen of that land.now tamilians r the citizen of malaysia for centuries and even chinese.but hindu right group protest was not voilent it was non-voilent protest.and the way malaysian police handled it was condemnable.tamilians being one of the ethnic group in india,makes it a moral duty for indian govt raise concerns on this issue.

btw i dont think so western laws discriminate among its citizen in employment opportunities based on the skin colour any more.And wat u refer "integrate or leave" phrase is for those who r not citizen of country and out there to make trouble.
in malaysia's case law itself is discriminating in employment opportunities among its citizens based on ethnicity.

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I see you igonring my quoted text. Sheer igonrance, besides brahmans are to reflect the "sober" hindu I thought. Who are worshipped like Gods in India (respectfully).
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So who are those real priests .. i think i havn't met one in my 20 years of life in India, good to see that you have met one.

from this link tiny.cc/LwK5y

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The Hindu Ayurvedic texts skillfully describe both the beneficent uses of alcoholic beverages and the consequences of intoxication and alcoholic diseases. Most of the peoples in India and China, as well as in Sri Lanka, the Philippines, and Japan, have continued, throughout, to ferment a portion of their crops and nourish as well as please themselves with the alcoholic product. However, devout adherents of Buddhism, which arose in India in the 5th and 6th centuries BC and spread over southern and eastern Asia, abstain to this day, as do the members of the Hindu Brahman caste.

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so where did you find that hindus have to abstain from alcohol.