Should Homosexuals Have Rights

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It is obvious that Pakistan has a huge Gay population, many female posters have claimed on GS that they were duped by the mans parents into marrying guys that were Gay, Gay rights is a human rights issue should the law be more accommodating for them, how would their sexual orientation hurt any one. Any girls on GS married to a Gay guy.

Pakistan internet users top Google searches for gay sex despite being one of the world’s most homophobic countries

  • Survey shows only 2 per cent think society should accept homosexuality
  • **Google gives Pakistan a 100 rating in trends analysis of internet searches
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Pakistan has the highest volume of internet searches for gay pornography despite being one of the least tolerant countries when it comes to homosexuality.
The most searches for terms related to same-sex acts came from a conservative stronghold, the city of Peshawar, rather than major cosmopolitan cities such as Lahore and Karachi, according to analysis of Google trends by Mother Jones.
Pakistan was given a rating of 100 by the search engine for having the highest search traffic for the pornography terms.

Gay sex is illegal in the Islamic country and carries a sentence of two to ten years in prison if caught.
This week, the Pew Research Centerrevealed figures for the places that are most intolerant of homosexuality from a survey of 39 countries.

Only two per cent of Pakistanis surveyed said ‘yes’ to the question: ‘Should society accept homosexuality?’
Other countries who showed a low tolerance for homosexuality included Nigeria, with 1 per cent approval, Tunisia at 2 per cent, while Ghana, Senegal, Egypt, Jordan and Indonesia showed only 3 per cent approval.
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Spain showed the highest acceptance of homosexuality at 88 per cent, followed by Germany at 87 per cent, the Czech Republic and Canada at 80 per cent, Australia at 79 per cent, France at 77 per cent and Britain at 76 per ce

The highest volume of searches for gay porn in Pakistan came from the conservative city of Peshawar

[size=5]‘The real love they can have that most of us find with a partner, they find with men,’ said former Pakistani politician Farahnaz Ispahani, now at the Woodrow Wilson International Center for Scholars.

‘They mostly see their wives as the mother of their children.’
She said an increase in religious extremism could explain the popularity of gay porn.
‘Hindus are being forced to convert, Christians are being burned alive - there’s very little personal safety for those seen as “the other”. So what do [gay Pakistanis] do? They turn to pornography because they can’t live their lives openly.’
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Yes, they should.

Also, do a better job of copying and pasting next time.

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In Pakistan let's first start from the very basic right i.e. right to live ... either you are Gay or not

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Heterosexuals don't have rights, homosexual rights toe door key baat hai....

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I don't think a gay desi man would come out whether he is living abroad or in desiland. He would marry a straight woman and make sure his parents are happy and even go through the act with no interest in it once or twice just so the end result is a grandchild for the sake of his parents. Instead of ruining the life of a straight woman though, giving more rights to gay men so they aren't treated like outcasts for being honest about their sexuality, will save a person from getting their life messed up.

As a person who was never around straight men or men in general, prude to the max growing up, I wouldn't know what a straight man is like in the intimate setting but I would think most of you straight men like sexual intercourse or would want it.

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They should have lefts too.

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From what I read and hear is that the gays are getting a lot more action than the straights, they just act like yaari doosti and no one suspects a thing, I was also reading that there has been a big use of the cell phone apps for gays in Pakistan.

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yes they should like any other humans - but im more interested to know how that stat 'pakistanis top gay sex searches' was ascertained or what they were even researching when they came up with that LOL

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Forget accommodating gays, private consensual heterosexual relationships are outlawed in Pakistan. Not to mention that women can be imprisoned for confessing to being raped.

As for homosexuality, I wouldn't say that Pakistan has a huge gay population, but rather many Pakistani males take part in or experience homosexuality at some point in their lives but don't necessarily identify as homosexuals. Our society doesn't teach us much respect towards women so a lot of these individuals will go on to have wives while deceptively maintaining some form of homosexuality on the side. And yes some of these "gay" men are very religious, pray five times a day and expect virgin wives. The ones who choose not marry are the ones who are called gay, and are ostracized by their families. I don't think decriminalization of private consensual adult relationships will have much impact on gays in a patriarchal society like ours. I know many Pakistanis in the west who have come out to their families but they still face the pressure of marriage and some of them willingly marry cause they need someone to cook and clean the house.

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As my Saudi friend tells me, it's much easier being gay in Saudia Arabia than straight.

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On GS? Or is this a cut and paste from another site.
I can't think of one, let alone many ladies who have posted it.

As far as rights go, Pakistan has ways to go for all human rights

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Google has a new technology now, If post the terms searched, I will be kicked off the site.

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Sex At the famous Shrine..hmmm…seems that the Gays are getting some serious action, below is Excerpts of a news article.

Sex between men occurs in some very public places - including, surprisingly, Karachi’s busiest shrine.

Families go to the Abdullah Shah-Ghazi shrine to honour the holy man buried there and to ask for God’s blessings, but it is also Karachi’s biggest cruising ground.

Every Thursday evening, as the sun sets, men from across the city gather there. A tightly packed circle is formed and those in the centre of the circle are groped by those on the periphery.
Continue reading the main story “Start Quote We get important people - police, army officers and ministers too”
End Quote Ahmed Masseur
To outsiders it looks like a writhing mass of men huddling around one another. Some even describe it as a “mysterious religious ceremony”. For participants, it’s anonymous group sex.
This kind of behaviour is, of course, not condoned by Pakistan’s religious authorities.
Most Pakistanis view homosexuality as sinful. The vast majority of clerics interpret the Qoranic story of Lot as a clear indication that God condemns homosexual men. Some scholars go even further and recommend Sharia-based punishment for “men who have sex with men”.
The shrine is far from the only place in Karachi where gay sex is freely available.
It is, for example, easy to buy from a malchi walah - a masseur who offers massage and “extras” for the equivalent of £5, or $7.80.
“We get important people - police, army officers and ministers too,” says one masseur, Ahmed.
He claims to have slept with more than 3,000 men during his working life - despite having two wives and eight children.
One of his wives, Sumera, wears a burka and the niqab, but she has no objection to her husband’s chosen profession and wishes more people would keep an open mind.

“I know he has sex. No problem. If he doesn’t work how will the kids eat? I get angry when people call them names. People are stuck in their ways.”
Sumera’s position may appear surprising, but in fact it’s not hard to understand, says Qasim Iqbal.
“In Pakistan men are discouraged from having girlfriends and so often, their first sexual experiences will be with male friends or cousins. This is often seen as a part of growing up and it can be overlooked by families - it’s the idea that ‘boys will be boys’,” he says.
“Sex between men will be overlooked as long as no-one feels that tradition or religion are being challenged. At the end of it all, everyone gets married to a member of the opposite sex and nothing is spoken about.”

At the end of the night Ali’s mother goes to her room and Ali and I will retire to our room”
End Quote Akbar Ali’s partner

Technically, homosexual acts are illegal in Pakistan. The British introduced laws criminalising what is described as sex “against the order of nature” in the colonial era. Sharia-based laws dating from the 1980s also lay down punishments for same-sex sexual activity.
In practice, though, these laws are rarely enforced, and the issue tends to be dealt with inside the family.
“There was an instance where two boys were caught having sex in a field,” says Iqbal.
“The family tried to bribe the police with money because they didn’t want the story going public. When the police wouldn’t back down the family asked for one detail to be changed - they wanted their son to be presented as the active sexual partner. For them, their son being passive would be even more shameful.”
In almost all cases charges will be dropped, Iqbal says, but the boys will be forced to get married by their families.
Just occasionally, though, Pakistani parents do reconcile themselves to children entering a long-term gay relationship.
Akbar and Ali are one such couple who have made things work, against

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What's the point of writing and copying all this BS instead of just saying that gay guys get more sex..

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Cause many of our fellow Pakistanis are in denial that such "BS" exists in their country. Also, this isn't an example of "gay guys" getting more sex, but regular maard hazrat of our muashra getting it on with other men.

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^^^It is a lot more wretched than that, one of my friend confided with me that he had to take the public bus to school and had to endure incessant groping, he had to say to this guy, " Khan Saab Bus RUk Gai Hai Ubb to hilna bund karoo. " Even the maulvi hired to tutor him would get touchy feely with him. So much for good complexion and nice skin.

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Homosexual exist everywhere. But that doesn't mean its common. What it is basically trolling has gotten extremely weak and idiotic these days on Gs.

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Quit pulling facts out of your arse.

Search volume index for “gay porn”
(Numbers represent search volume relative to the highest point on the map which is always 100)

Fiji: 100
USA: 63
UK: 60
Canada: 42
Pakistan: 22

Source:
Google Trends

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^^Read again please Washington Post report. I missed you were you at the huddle at the Mazar no wonder you can’t phrase a sentence without mentioning backsides. Yes Pigeon is a very heterosexual
name.

Among the least tolerant nations surveyed was Pakistan, where only 2 percent of those surveyed said society should accept homosexuality. That statistic might be unsurprising, considering that gay sex is illegal under the Pakistani penal code. But what is surprising is how those views compare to Pakistani search traffic around gay-porn-related terms.

As of this writing, Pakistan is by volume the world leader for Google searches of the terms “shemale sex,” “teen — sex,” and “man — man,” according to Google Trends. Pakistan also ranks second in the world (after similarly gay-intolerant Kenya) for volume of searches for the search term “gay sex pics.”

In its report, Pew noted that countries exhibiting the highest levels of gay tolerance are largely secular, whereas nations where religion is central to public life—such as Egypt, Nigeria, and Pakistan—tend to reject homosexuality. But in Pakistan, what’s even more peculiar is that the highest number of hits for some of these terms, including “shemale sex,” come not from Pakistan’s cosmopolitan centers, but from Peshawar, a bastion of conservative Islam, lately known in the West as a counterterrorism frontline.

Farahnaz Ispahani, an expert in Pakistani minorities at the Woodrow Wilson International Center for Scholars and a former member of Pakistan’s parliament, says that homosexuality is a taboo subject throughout the country. In major cities such as Lahore and Karachi, gays can develop a network of allies outside their tribe or family, but in conservative Peshawar, gay identity is more complicated. Part of the popularity of gay porn could stem from the fact that even highly observant Muslim males often have physical relationships with men without considering themselves gay, she says.

“The real love they can have that most of us find with a partner, they find with men,” Ispahani says. “They mostly see their wives as the mother of their children.”

At the same time, she says, persecution of minorities, including gays, has reached an all-time high in Pakistan, and discussing homosexuality openly in public is virtually forbidden. “Religious extremism is at a height today,” she says. “Hindus are being forced to convert, Christians are being burned alive—there’s very little personal safety for those seen as ‘the other.’ So what do [gay Pakistanis] do? They turn to pornography because they can’t live their lives openly.”

Shereen El Feki, author of the recent book Sex and the Citadel: Intimate Life in a Changing Arab World](http://sexandthecitadel.com/), says the discrepancy between perceptions around homosexuality and its apparent reality in Pakistan is consistent with her own findings in the Middle East, where, in recent years, the dialogue around sexual identity has been co-opted by fundamentalist clerics.

“Islamic conservatives, whether they’re actually in power or the governments in power are trying to placate them, they will tend to go to very narrow definitions of Islam,” she says. “One of the easiest ways to do this is to come down hard on the role of women, and particularly around sex and homosexuality.”

Long before the rise of Islamic conservatism, El Feki says, the Middle East and India had a literary tradition that celebrated gay love, but in recent years, that openness has been forgotten.

“You find in most civilizations in the Global South a much more open approach to homosexuality—irrespective of its status in religious and theological doctrine—than you find today,” she says. “So very often, any attempt to open a dialogue in the Arab region is branded as some ‘Western conspiracy’ to undermine traditional Arab and Muslim values. The reality is that long before the West was talking openly about homosexuality, Arabs in particular were writing about this very frankly. Our history has come to be rewritten by Islamic conservatives.”

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Who's in denial that such BS exists? This is probably the last thing we need to be worried about, there are other much more pressing issues at hand.
Considering how much you loved your blessed land of freedom, I'm pretty sure that there is nothing stopping you from living with your muscle man.