What kinds of rights are we talking about? The right to do it? Aren't they already getting those rights? I don't think homos want to get "nikahed" in pak anyway, cuz what benefits do we get being married in Pakistan anyway? The ppl in the west want the tax breaks and whatever benefits married ppl get. And condoning a gunah makes it even more commonplace, so I'd rather they not be so in ur face and come out of the closets. Its so common under table (as the "statistics" say) I wonder what it would be like if they could be open about it. Ofcourse they shouldn't be stupid enough to marry someone if they can't be monogamous with their wives. But I do wonder if there are guys out there who r technically gay but control their behaviour and marry someone and do stay faithful? What I read is that is what Islam expects of us if we are gay. That yes God made us this way but this is our test, to fight against our nafs and not act it.
What kinds of rights are we talking about? The right to do it? Aren't they already getting those rights? I don't think homos want to get "nikahed" in pak anyway, cuz what benefits do we get being married in Pakistan anyway? The ppl in the west want the tax breaks and whatever benefits married ppl get. And condoning a gunah makes it even more commonplace, so I'd rather they not be so in ur face and come out of the closets. Its so common under table (as the "statistics" say) I wonder what it would be like if they could be open about it. Ofcourse they shouldn't be stupid enough to marry someone if they can't be monogamous with their wives. But I do wonder if there are guys out there who r technically gay but control their behaviour and marry someone and do stay faithful? What I read is that is what Islam expects of us if we are gay. That yes God made us this way but this is our test, to fight against our nafs and not act it.
^If you married a man that you didn't know was gay and found out after being nikaahfied that he was, what would you do? Obviously a gay guy would not want to have sexual intercourse and would be very emotionally abusive and numb to you. Along with being frustrated most all the time. I understand that Islam sees it as gunah but imagine life with such a man that is trying to hide his true sexuality and was really not into what straight people are into, sexual intercourse, attraction to women, what would you do? Does it really matter if he was faithful or not?
We can call it BS but we can't escape the fact that gay people exist and as hard as they try to "act" straight for the sake of religion or society, they cannot change who they are attracted to and what they were born as. If we can get away from the philosophical and religious talk for a second and come to reality of being married to a gay person, life would seriously suck for both people in such a marriage. Both people's lives would be ruined.
^If you married a man that you didn't know was gay and found out after being nikaahfied that he was, what would you do? Obviously a gay guy would not want to have sexual intercourse and would be very emotionally abusive and numb to you. Along with being frustrated most all the time. I understand that Islam sees it as gunah but imagine life with such a man that is trying to hide his true sexuality and was really not into what straight people are into, sexual intercourse, attraction to women, what would you do? Does it really matter if he was faithful or not?
We can call it BS but we can't escape the fact that gay people exist and as hard as they try to "act" straight for the sake of religion or society, they cannot change who they are attracted to and what they were born as. If we can get away from the philosophical and religious talk for a second and come to reality of being married to a gay person, life would seriously suck for both people in such a marriage. Both people's lives would be ruined.
One of the big problem is that if they don't have an outlet then they are doing illegal touching of children, my friend confessed to me that he got touched on a daily basis in the public bus lots of boys get kidnaped, a Pakitani family went to visit Peshawar and their boy got kidnapped, and he was never recovered, let the gays have outlets, clubs and meeting places so they don't do bachha bazi.
But they do have outlets, they have each other, they have the transsexuals parading around on Saturdays in Karachi (I saw it myself, and then my cousin told me that Saturday is the day they actually seek male clients, instead of just begging and dancing or whatever else it is they do). And the guys in Peshawar, when u have so many gays walking around u think they don't have each other? They choose to abuse kids? All the adult guys doing the bacha baazi, u think they don't know all the ppl coming there are gay. They could seek each other out but they still go for the kids. So they're pedophiles not just gay. In catholic church, the straight ppl seek the nuns, the gay ppl seek each other and the pedophiles seek the kids.
And in Pakistan, ppl have to keep their straight relationships under cover and they manage just fine. So I don't know why gay ppl should have such a problem with the secrecy. I don't think heterosexual ppl can go parading around their sexcapades, so it can be done by gays as well. And the West is more tolerant to gay ppl but they still have all the other problems, so I don't think how being openly gay would solve all the problems of the world.
And about getting touched on public transport, women get harassed by sstraight men all the time, men with wives. So it's not about having an outlet it's about not being able to control urself and being sick in the head.
One of the big problem is that if they don't have an outlet then they are doing** illegal touching of children**, my friend confessed to me that he got touched on a daily basis in the public bus lots of boys get kidnaped, a Pakitani family went to visit Peshawar and their boy got kidnapped, and he was never recovered, let the gays have outlets, clubs and meeting places so they don't do bachha bazi.
I didn't know there was legal touching of children too
What "rights" are you talking about here? If its the right to have a same couple marriage or showing unnecessary affection in public places or being able to adopt a kid, then absolutely not. I dont think even straight couple should be showing unnecessary affection in public places either.
Legalizing such marriages is a slap on the institution of marriage. Legalizing deviant behaviors only gives rise to such deviant behavior, and it doesnt stop there. Sometimes you have to take the bitter pill and say enough is enough. One cannot make everyone HAPPY.
As far as the situation in Pakistan is concerned, rising gay behavior is due to many reason. Some people get into this due to lack of having any kind of medium for interaction with the opposite sex. I am not encouraging opposite genders to start having intimate interactions before marriage, but atleast being able to talk with each other without fear of what people might think would be great.
There is another group of pakistanis who are adopting gay behavior just for the sake of exploring their sexuality or because they learned from the internet that its cool to be gay (plenty of western shows portraying GAY friends to be cool).