Shoaib Finally Crossed the 100mph!

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I am glad Asif_K bhai and to some extent Xtreme agree with me here.

Let me clarify. Having an ambition to cross 100 miles per hour is good and mature.

Breaking your legs and ruining your carrer for that is childish.

Also you are letting your team down.

The last time they kicked Shoab Akthar out of Paki team, I remember angry articles in Paki Press accusing Wasim Akram and co. of egging him on instead of telling him to concentrate on his bowling.

As for Kapil Dev, some wise kid is asking if I am his secreatry.

I don't have to be. Do some reasearch about Kapil and you will see he decided as far back as 1979 Englad Tour that he is NOT going to be a 'FAST' bowler though he CAN be.

He saw that as he is the only thoroughbred in the team, he will be flogged to death if tried to be a Mike Holding.

He decided to conserve his pace. Wise decision.

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Originally posted by Asif_k:
** I know how much it hurts to see an Indian reaching that milestone before anyone from your country despite being the Land of Fast bowlers and natural Talents.

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That is because our team had a number of fast and very talented bowlers not one single bowler who kept on bowling till the opposition was out. Of course he would break the world record.

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The only reason Kapil broke the record for most wickets was because he was the only guy taking wickets from his team, there was no other good bowler.

On the other side Pakistan had Waqar, Wasim, Aaqib, Imran, and Mushtq, they all over taking wickets, instead of one person.

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I wonder why all of a sudden the Hindutvas are so concerned about Shaoib's health, now that he crossed the 100mph barrier, LOL!!!

The man will continue to bowl like that, and everyone who is jealous can just eat their hearts out!!!

105MPH, the new target!!!

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If you remember Curtly Ambrose and Courtney Walsh - they bowled together for many years and they both took more than 400 wickets. So your logic doesn’t really apply here. If you are good and fit you will get wickets, doesn’t matter how many bowlers are bowling with you. I can give you many examples of that.

I am sure you will say same thing about Hadlee, He was also the only bowler for New Zealand who was taking wickets. I hope you are not suggesting that Kapil was bowling from both the Ends

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Despite of that Wasim Ended up taking 400+ wickets in both forms of cricket and Waqar 300+ and the reason is both of them are very good bowlers. Also dont forget that Saqlain was also there with them sharing a major chunk of wickets, still they took wickets.

PS :- Have you guys ever come across the phrase ‘FAST BOWLERS HUNT IN PAIRS’.

AK

[This message has been edited by Asif_k (edited May 01, 2002).]

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Without a doubt there is a certain prestige that goes with being the world's fastest bowler. Why do you think the Aussies so quickly produced a video to trumpet Lee's claims to the record when Shoaib finally broke the 100mph landmark?

Brett Lee is a fine bowler, but if Shoaib can keep his head, he is the most dynamic and explosive bowler on the planet bar none.

Medium pacers like Kapil Dev and Srinath are ok but they can never blow away a batting line up like the fearsome Pak pacers do, match after match.

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Originally posted by Mr Xtreme:
*Medium pacers like Kapil Dev and Srinath are ok but they can never blow away a batting line up like the fearsome Pak pacers do, match after match. *
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Srinath, lol, the guy looks like a 'yateem' bacha and have u seen his face when he is hit for fours and sixes, LOL...

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Yes, there is a prestige, but only If that fastest bowler is effective also. 100 MPH or No 100 MPH - Shoaib will still be the fastest bowler.

The australians produced that video because they still cant believe that a brown skinned player from a third world country can be the fastest bowler on the earth. It really hurts them too much, that's why they are trying too hard first - they didn't recognize Shoaib's 100 mph mark and then produced a fake video. Do you really think that had Jagmohan Dalmiya been in ICC, ICC would have taken the same step ?

Please tell me, when did Shoaib and Brett Lee blew the opposition match after match. Despite playing 41 test matches between them they have not taken 10 wickets in a test match single time. Do you call this blowing the opposition ? I think Wasim Akram is still more effective than Shoaib and Lee can never match Mcgrath and Gillespie when it comes to taking wickets.

AK

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Whatever ASif_k, Shoiab is great, no doubt. On that particular match he was knocking out stumps. If he plays even 5 years of cricket with performances like that, I think it will be more than what we have asked for. For all I care, he should bowl well and bring us the next world cup!! that would be awesome!!

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Originally posted by Asif_k:
**Yes, there is a prestige, but only If that fastest bowler is effective also. 100 MPH or No 100 MPH - Shoaib will still be the fastest bowler.

The australians produced that video because they still cant believe that a brown skinned player from a third world country can be the fastest bowler on the earth. It really hurts them too much, that's why they are trying too hard first - they didn't recognize Shoaib's 100 mph mark and then produced a fake video. Do you really think that had Jagmohan Dalmiya been in ICC, ICC would have taken the same step ?

Please tell me, when did Shoaib and Brett Lee blew the opposition match after match. Despite playing 41 test matches between them they have not taken 10 wickets in a test match single time. Do you call this blowing the opposition ? I think Wasim Akram is still more effective than Shoaib and Lee can never match Mcgrath and Gillespie when it comes to taking wickets.

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*I am sure you will say same thing about Hadlee, He was also the only bowler for New Zealand who was taking wickets. I hope you are not suggesting that Kapil was bowling from both the Ends *

Don't know about Richard Hadlee, since he was way before my time. And as far as the records show, I have never heard of any other good Newzeland bowler from Hadlee's era.

Despite of that Wasim Ended up taking 400+ wickets in both forms of cricket and Waqar 300+ and the reason is both of them are very good bowlers. Also dont forget that Saqlain was also there with them sharing a major chunk of wickets, still they took wickets.

With the exception of Wasim, all the other bowlers I mentioned were in and out of the team because of injuries, politics.

I think Waqar's wicket taking average should be much better than any bowler includong Wasim as he took his first 100 wickets in just 59 matches, just imagines if he would have played for the team since his debut till now, he would have been way past Wasim's record.
Regardless of all those interupions in his carrer, he still able to take 350 wickets.

Aaqib Javed, who I consider as the second best Pakistani bowler, didn't get a chance to play for a long time, Saqlain came into the season 10 years after Wasim started playing international cricket, mushtaq didn't play for a long time.

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Well said chosen.

About Walsh and Ambrose as chosen said at that time WI had only 2 fast bowler as compare to Pak there were 4 to 5 fast bowlers and its not that they were fast they were efective too means they took wickets. So there were only 10 wickets to be taken and they had to divide on 4 to 5 bowlers.

Walsh is the highest wicket taker who broke kapil’s recrod so kapil ain’t anymore the world record holder. On the other hand Shoaib broke Thomson record and he is CURRENTLY the world record holder. Talk about something you have in hand. Stop talking about kapil he’s not a record holder any more. So go bang ur head against the wall

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This is getting ridiculous now. Apparently the speedgun clocked Lee at a 100 mph even before he let the ball fly. Interesting huh! And people are questioning the speedgun that clocked Akhtar. At least it clocked him after he had let go of the ball!

These Aussies simply cannot take it that Akhtar is faster than Lee. Even though to a knowledgable cricket fan, speed is nothing but Aussies still can’t stand it. I hope Akhtar sticks it to them when the Aussies come to Pakistan.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport/hi/english/cricket/newsid_1959000/1959872.stm

Lee claim deemed faulty

The debate over who is the fastest between Brett Lee and Shoaib Akhtar developed like a soap opera on Tuesday.

Shoaib clocked 100.04mph (161kph) during last weekend’s third one-day international against New Zealand in Lahore.

At the time, he was widely credited with being the first to transcend the magical 100mph barrier.

Then Lee’s agent, Neil Maxwell, claimed he was sent a video showing Lee sending down a 100.54mph (161.8kph) delivery during a Test match against West Indies in Brisbane late in 2000.

Faulty gun

But Shoaib can now rest easy, because it appears Lee was timed by a faulty gun.

The equipment used for that Test was measuring the speed of the ball before it had left Lee’s hand.

Shoaib will face the Aussies later this year

So Lee’s acknowledged best remains the 97.8 mph (157.4 kph) he clocked during the second Test against South Africa in Cape Town last month.

The Sydney Morning Herald’s early Wednesday editions quoted Channel Nine commentator Tony Greig.

He recalled several occasions during the Australia-West Indies series when the wrong speeds were flashed up on TV screens.

Greig explained: "A speed would come up on the screen and we would all say: ‘No way, that wasn’t the right reading.’ "

The International Cricket Council does not at present keep records about bowling speeds so Shoaib’s feat remains unofficial.

But Lee believes a standardised speed gun should be introduced around the world to eliminate any doubts.

The two bowlers will have a chance to prove which of them is the quickest when the two teams meet in a series of one-day internationals in Australia in June.

Pakistan will then play host to Australia for a series of Tests and one-day games later in the year.

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Well, the ICC and the Aussies can gripe all they like about Shoaib's achievement but Shoaib is currently demolishing their objections on the pitch. he's just blasted out 4 of the Kiwi top order ALL clean bowled through sheer pace.

Stick that in yer speed guns and clock it whingeing Aussies!!

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check out the following:
http://www-ind.cricket.org/link_to_database/ARCHIVE/CRICKET_NEWS/2002/MAY/138042_BLOOMBERG_01MAY2002.html

Cricket rulers to discuss speed-gun at next management meeting

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Could be because the indians feel embarrassed about Tendulkar’s second duck in two games and India’s routing at the hands of the WI in the third test

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Since they cannot sing the Tendulkar tune, they resort to demeaning Shoaib’s feat.

Imagine if India every had such a fast bowler (ok, I know thats fiction), their bragging would never end.

A Wizard arrives neither early nor late, but precisely when he chooses to

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That’s not what Thompson, Lillee, Malcom Marshall, Andy Roberts and other great express bowlers would tell you.

Instilling fear in the opposition is a weapon of a fast bowler and a valuable asset. As we are seeing, an express bowler can send the entire team back to the dressing room in a few overs.

But those that consider Kapil Dev, Madan Lal, Roger Binny, Srinath, and Zaheer Khan as fast bowlers wouldn’t know about this.

A Wizard arrives neither early nor late, but precisely when he chooses to

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We will always sing the Tendulkar Tune, Century or no Century. If you have been watching the second test second inning, He was out by an umpiring Error. No one is demeaning Shoaib’s feat. It’s just you can’t think anything else.

Imagine you had a player who had records like Gavaskar or Sachin, You would not let us live.

What about Frank Tyson ?? What would he tell us. It’s funny that you compare Thompson with the greats like Lilee and Others. I hope you dont mean to say that by just bowling fast One can be as good as them.

Wait till you face good teams like Australia/South Africa and Sri Lanka. We will discuss it then.

Well they sure know about Cricket and know it is a Team Game and We saw it in 1983 when those mediocre players gave us the world cup by defeating the mighty West Indies (not once - but twice).

AK

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Kapil Dev wasnt a 'fast bowler', true... medium pacer tha...

Zaheer Abbas?

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spock, I don’t think you are getting Asif_K’s point.
Nobody is trying to trash Shoab’s acheivement here.
Infact we are proud as sub-continentals!!!

All we are trying to say is there is much more to bowling than crossing 100 miles per hour, commendable though the acheivement is.

Jeff THompson wasn’t just stupid pace. He developed his own ‘SlingShot’ style of bowling. Did you know that?

Whatever you may wanna believe ‘Pace’ is not the only criteria for a bowler.
Patrick Patterson for example was the fastest of the lot. He was also stupid and all he did with his pace was helping Srikanth score a few more boundaries off him!!!

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And you seem to get some pleasure in pointing out Kapil Dev Zaher Abbas were ‘Medium Pacers’.

Well, they knew it.
Kapil DEv for one deliberately took the decision NOT to be a fast bowler.
NOT because he is not built for it.
As he demonstrated he was fit enough tooutlast them all.
He wouldn’t have acheived what he wanted if he concentrated on pace alone.
And more important THE TEAM WOULD HAVE SUFFRED FOR HIS AMBITION.

I think if all this hoopla goes into Shaob’s head you will have a situation.
Whenver Pakistanis take the field, there will be 10 Cricketrs on the field plus a nut who wants to hurl the ball at 100 miles or whatever!!

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