can anyone tell me about going to mazaar’s and asking for wishes 2 b fulfilled by pir’s and fakir’s. ITS WRONG ISNT IT??; Coz surely we have direct-dialling with Allah, as He says Ask from me.
it is shirk and haram. not even the prophet (SAW) can answer our prayers. we are told to ask only Allah swt, and not ask the dead even if they were men of virtue.
THANKS T.M I thought so but everytime i refuse to go to these mazaars with my elders, they get offended and accuse me of belonging to another muslim sect (and say that we have to say salaam) ...can anyone actually quote from The Quran
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can anyone tell me about going to mazaar's and asking for wishes 2 b fulfilled by pir's and fakir's. ITS WRONG ISNT IT??; Coz surely we have direct-dialling with Allah, as He says Ask from me.
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Meeni Dear. Going to Mazaar and saying Fateha is kosher. Those are the holy men and women burried there and they will have positive impact on you.
After saying Fateha, feed the hungry and clothe the poor. Allah will be very happy with you and reward you with good things. I guarantee that.
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Meeni Dear. Going to Mazaar and saying Fateha is kosher. Those are the holy men and women burried there and they will have positive impact on you.
After saying Fateha, feed the hungry and clothe the poor. Allah will be very happy with you and reward you with good things. I guarantee that.
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How does going to a grave lead to your "betterment" ? You may as well go to your local graveyard in that case.
In my opinion praying at the grave of anyone, or praying to anyone other than Allah mian is maha Shirk, it is holding them at a par.
You pray to noone but allah mian I think, however distributing clothes and other such charity is obviously a good deed.
If it is prickling your consience, however we think, I think you should not go. Make a stand and so forth.
the Prophet (saw) has instructed the muslims to visit graves often so they may be reminded of the reality of death....
and also so they may pray for the forgiveness of those burried in the graves....
but going to mazaars has many wrongs attached to it....
- its wrong to make the graves stand out from the rest and making a building on it and what is called "qabar pakki karna" r all wrong acts
- asking the people in the graves to fulfill wishes is wrong; its is shirk
- it is also shirk to believe that a piece of cloth or stone or any other item associated with the mazar can bring good luck
May Allah guide us all and protect us from shirk.
Praise be to Allaah.
1 – The issue of praying at graves
Praying at graves is of two types:
The first type is praying to the occupant of the grave. This is major shirk which puts a person beyond the pale of Islam, because prayer is an act of worship, and it is not permissible to do any act of worship to anyone other than Allaah. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):
“Worship Allaah and join none with Him (in worship)”
[al-Nisa’ 4:36]
“Verily, Allaah forgives not (the sin of) setting up partners (in worship) with Him, but He forgives whom He wills, sins other than that, and whoever sets up partners in worship with Allaah, has indeed strayed far away”
[al-Nisa’ 4:116]
The second type is praying to Allaah in the graveyard. This covers a number of issues:
1 – Praying the funeral (janaazah) prayer at the graveside, which is permissible.
Example: if a person dies and you are not able to offer the funeral prayer for him in the mosque, then it is permissible for you to offer the prayer for him after he is buried.
The evidence for this is that this is what the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) did. It was narrated from Abu Hurayrah that a black man or a black woman used to clean the mosque, and he (or she) died. The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) asked about him and they said, “He died.” He said, “Why did you not tell me? Show me to his grave (or her grave).” So he went to the grave and offered the funeral prayer. (Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 458; Muslim, 956).
2 – Praying the funeral prayer in the graveyard, which is permissible
Example: a person dies and you are not able to offer the funeral prayer for him in the mosque, so you go to the graveyard and offer the prayer there before he is buried.
Shaykh ‘Abd al-Azeez ibn Baaz (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: “It is permissible to offer the funeral prayer for the deceased inside the graveyard just as it is permissible to offer the funeral prayer for him after he is buried, because it was proven that a woman used to clean the mosque and she died. The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) asked about her and they said, ‘She died.’ He said, ‘Why did you not tell me? Show me to her grave.’ So they showed him and he offered the prayer for her, then he said, ‘These graves are filled with darkness for their occupants, but Allaah illuminates them by my prayer over them.’” (Narrated by Muslim, 956.)
From Fataawa al-Lajnah al-Daa’imah, 8/392
3 – Praying in the graveyard – apart from the funeral (janaazah) prayer – this prayer is invalid and does not count, whether it is an obligatory prayer or a naafil prayer.
The evidence for that is as follows:
(i) The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said:** “All the earth is a mosque apart from the graveyards and bathrooms.” **(Narrated by al-Tirmidhi, 317; Ibn Maajah, 745; classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Saheeh Ibn Maajah, 606).
(ii) The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “May Allaah curse the Jews and the Christians, for they have taken the graves of their Prophets as places of worship.” (Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 435; Muslim, 529).
(iii) Praying in graveyards may be a means that leads to worshipping the graves, or to imitating those who worship graves. Hence, because the kaafirs used to prostrate to the sun as it was rising and setting, the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) forbade us to pray when the sun is rising or setting, lest that be taken as a means that leads to worshipping the sun instead of Allaah, or to resembling the kuffaar.
4 – Praying towards the graveyard, which is haraam, according to the correct opinion.
Example: you pray with a graveyard or grave in the direction of your qiblah, but you are not praying in the graveyard, rather you are praying on some other ground that is close to the graveyard, with no wall or barrier between you and it.
The evidence for this being haraam:
(i) It was narrated that Abu Marthad al-Ghanawi said: The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Do not sit on graves, or pray towards them.” (Narrated by Muslim, 972). This indicates that it is haraam to pray towards graveyards or towards graves or towards a single grave.
(ii) The reason why it is not allowed to pray towards a graveyard is the same as the reason why it is not allowed to pray towards a grave. So long as a person is facing towards the grave or graveyard in such a way that it may be said that he is praying towards it, then this comes under the prohibition, and if it comes under the prohibition then it is not valid, because the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said, “Do not pray …” The prohibition here is on praying, so if a person prays towards a grave, he is combining obedience and disobedience, and it is not possible to draw closer to Allaah in such a manner.
Note: If there is a wall between you and the graveyard, then the basic principle is that it is acceptable to pray in this case and it is not prohibited. Similarly, if there is a street or a considerable distance which would mean that you cannot be regarded as praying towards the graves, then this is acceptable. And Allaah knows best.
See al-Mughni, 1/403; al-Sharh al-Mumti’ by Ibn ‘Uthaymeen, 2/232.
2 – The issue of intercession
The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) will intercede and so will others among the believers. But we will add here an issue that was not mentioned there, which is that there are conditions attached to intercession:
1 – Permission must be granted by Allaah to the intercessor to intercede.
2 – Allaah must approve of the one for whom intercession is to be made.
The evidence for these two conditions is the verses in which Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):
“And there are many angels in the heavens, whose intercession will avail nothing except after Allaah has given leave for whom He wills and is pleased with”
[al-Najm 53:26]
“and they cannot intercede except for him with whom He is pleased”
[al-Anbiya’ 21:28]
As for the imaginary intercession which the idol-worshippers think their gods perform for them, this is an invalid intercession, for Allaah does not permit intercession unless He is pleased both with the intercessor and those for whom intercession is made.
See al-Qawl al-Mufeed Sharh Kitaab al-Tawheed by Shaykh Muhammad ibn ‘Uthaymeen (may Allaah have mercy on him), p. 336-337.
The fact that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and the believers will intercede does not justify asking them to intercede, as some people do when they ask the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) to intercede for them even after his death.
Islam Q&A
Sheikh Muhammed Salih Al-Munajjid (www.islam-qa.com)
It was narrated from ‘Aa’ishah (may Allaah be pleased with her) that Umm Salamah or Umm Habeebah told the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) about a church that they had seen in Abyssinia (Ethiopia) and the images that were inside it. He (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Those are people who, when a righteous slave or a righteous man among them died, they would build a place of worship over his grave and put those images in it. They are the most evil of creation before Allaah.” (Agreed upon; al-Bukhaari, al-Salaah, 434; Muslim, al-Masaajid, 528).
Muslim also narrated that Jaabir (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: “The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) forbade plastering over graves, sitting on them, and building over them.” (Muslim, al-Janaa’iz, 970).
These saheeh ahaadeeth and others all indicate that it is haraam to build mosques over graves, and that those who do that are cursed. They also indicate that it is haraam to build over graves, to erect domes over them or to plaster over them, because these actions lead to shirk involving the graves and worshipping their occupants instead of Allaah, as happened in ancient times and is still happening today. So the **Muslims, no matter where they are, must beware of doing that which the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) has forbidden, and not be deceived by what many people do. For the believer must follow the truth and truth may be known through evidence from the Qur’aan and Sunnah, not by people’s opinions or what they do.**
Jazaakhallahu Khair Islamabad, good posts.
I love Sheikh Saalih al-Munnajjid for the Sake of Allaah.
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In my opinion **praying at* the grave of anyone, or praying to anyone other than Allah mian is maha Shirk, it is holding them at a par.
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Game of words!
praying...
praying to...
praying for...
praying at...
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*Jazaakhallahu Khair Islamabad, good posts.
I love Sheikh Saalih al-Munnajjid for the Sake of Allaah.
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me too, his site has been the waseelah from Allah for me to learn the deen the correct way. otherwise there is so much misinformation out there that i would have been confused. alhamdullillah
i really encourage people to regularly read his fatwas to gain understanding of the matters of deen.
Yes. I learned a lot from his website.
Ask only Allah. Holy Prophet Muhammad(May Allah's peace and blessing
be upon him) use to ask Allah(SWT) only.
He(SAW) never use to say Ibraheem(AS) waseela or Ali(RA) waseela
or sadqe see.
First don't even go inside a Shrine. Don't pray , don't bow down.
Salaam. What is that. And why. who says so.
Shirk is a one of the major sins, which Allah does not forgive.
But inshallah may he forgive us all if we are in it unknowingly, and guide us all. amin.
Why not ask direct to Allah about this matter. Why do you go to Islam Q&A or reffer Sheikh Muhammed Salih Al-Munajjid??
in other words using him as a WASEELA?
weird!!
things r clearing up in my head now, just 1 thing though.... we can only give darood on our Prophet's name(PBUH) and should'nt eat any foods from mazaars or mannat foods...yes?
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Why not ask direct to Allah about this matter. Why do you go to Islam Q&A or reffer Sheikh Muhammed Salih Al-Munajjid??
in other words using him as a WASEELA?
weird!!
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the problem is that sheikh is alive, so we can ask him about matters of deen, but when he dies, we will only say may allah pardon him, and will not seek his help any more..got that?
yes mazar and mannat food are a big no no. they are haram foods which must be avoided at all costs.
and allah has orderd us to say durood and salam to rasul allah, :saw: so yes we say that all we want and a little more.