lagta hai aaj mood bara acha hai .. Koi khaas baat ??
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** hope you have more fruity examples like mango and orange ..now I'm hungry..**
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How about Strawberry-banana flavor ??
Or Mango-peach ?
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Originally posted by Shah Jahan:
** That is just it. I dont belive in the references Daniyal has given. I, who can safely say has some knowledge of shia books have never herad of 'loaning of virgins' and the like. It is totally ubsurd.
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Shah Jahan, the writer of the article ** knew ** that Shias would make such comments, and deny those sources completely (because lying in the form of taqiyah is a great virtue in their religion).
That's one of the reasons why the ** writer included this as well: **
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Originally posted by ** Daniyal: **
The Shi’ah Fiqh of Mut’ah from Their Own Sources
The following citations from the most authentic Shi'ahbooks, regarded as the basic sources of Shi'ah beliefs and practices, elaborate on the concept of mut'ah.
Epilogue
As previously mentioned, none of the references cited in the previous pages come from the earliest and original Shi'ah sources. Therefore, one could perhaps say that these sources are obsolete and that the contemporary Shi'ah scholars and literature do not propagate such beliefs about mut'ah. ** In order to dispel such misconceptions, presented below are two citations from the work of Mullah Baqir Majlisi, whom Ayatullah Khomeini considered to be an authority on Shi'ah beliefs.
It should be recalled that Majlisi (d. 1111 A.H.) is one of the most respected Shi'ah scholars. He wrote approximately sixty very comprehensive and voluminous books. In several of his writings Khomeini has referred to Majlisi's works. ** As a matter of fact, Khomeini recommended in his Kashfal-Asrar that Shi'ahs read Majli’s books.58 ** One of Majli’s books deals exclusively with the virtues of mut'ah. It has been translated into Urdu by a contemporary Shi'ah scholar ** named Syed Mohammad Jafar Qudsi and is entitled Ijala Hasna. ** The following quotations are from these * recent * sources:
"The Prophet (PBUH) said, 'One who performs mot'ah with believing woman is like the one who visits the House of God * seventy times”59
"[For the] one who excels in this virtuous deed [of mut'ah], Allah will raise his levels [of faith and piety]... [On the Day of Judgement] he will pass on the bridge over Hell with the speed of light... Seventy rows of angels will accompany him... and he will enter Paradise without giving the account [of his life]. 0'Ali, one who helps fellow Muslim brother [to contract mut'ah] will also receive these blessings and rewards. " ** 60
To conclude this discussion, ** a quotation from Ayatullah Khomeini is presented:
It is permissible to engage in mut’ah with a fornicator woman but with a disliking in [one's] heart, especially if she is a well-known and professional fornicator. When a person contracts mut'ah with her, he should advise her to quit the profession of fornication." ** 61
Bibliography
The art of writing bibliographies in Eastern literature is vastly different from that in Western literature. Most Eastern bibliographies quote only the book's name, followed by the author. Citations of publishers and the publication year are not generally found. This is because, in the past, most books were published by the authors, and each book had only one publication. As such, it is very difficult to write the bibliographies of Shi'ah sources. ** Shi'ah publishers consistently alter the sequence and contents of their original books. Two recent publications of the same book often have two different sets of information. Strangely enough, when a Shi'ah publisher reprints a book, he often changes its contents. Thus, two editions of the same book by the same publisher may also have two different sets of information. *Consequently, a researcher may find difficulty in locating the cited pages of Shi'ah books. * All of the references given in the preceding pages, however, are authentic and come from reliable Shi'ah and Sunni sources. In order to help the reader to appreciate the reliability and authenticity of the references utilized in this discussion, the bibliography presented here has been annotated, ** and Shi'ah and Sunni sources have been duly classified.
** Reference: **
Babawayh, Shaykh as-Sadiq bin Ja’far Muhammad bin 'Ali (d. 381AH.), Man Li Yahduruhul-Faqeeh, Najaf, Iraq: Matba'ah an-Najaf, 1376 A.H. ** A source book considered being one of the four original collections of Shi’ah Hadith. **
Kashani, Fathullah (d. 988 A.H.), TafseerMinhaj as-Sadiqeen,Tehran, Iran: Dar al-Kutub al-lslamiyyah, 1396 A.H. ** One of the most famous and respected Shi'ah Qmr'amc conmimlaries. **
** Khomeini, Ayatullah, ** Tahreer al-Waseelah, Najaf, Iraq: Matba'ah al-Adab, 1390 A.H. ** A most voluminous work on Shi'ah fiqh by the recent Shi’ah imam and leader of the Iranian revolution. ** It consists of two volumes, consisting of 656 and 650 pages, respectively.
Kulayni, Muhammad bin Ya'qub Abu Ja'far (d. 329 A.H.), Furu'al-Kafl, Tehran, Iran: Dar al-Kutub al-lslamiyyah, 1374 A.H. ** The most famous and original collection of Shi'ah hadith dealing with the furu (details) of Shi'ah beliefs and practices. ** It contains 16.199 original collections.
Kulayni, Muhammad bin Ya'qub Abu Ja'far (d. 329 A.H.), Usul al-Kafi, Tehran, Iran: Dar al-Kutub al-lslamiyyah, 1374 A.H. ** The most famous and respected collection of Shi'ah hadith. ** The earlier editions carried an inscription on the title page that read:
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"According to Imam al-Mahdi this book is kafi [sufficient] for our Shi'ahs." **
Qudsi, Syed M. Jafar, Ijala Hasna, Lahore, Pakistan: Imamia General Book Agency, n.d. ** An Urdu translation of Mullah Biqir Majlisi’s book on mut’ah. ** Several different editions of the book have been published in India and Pakistan.
Qummi, 'Ali bin lbraheem (d. 381 A.H.), Tafseer al-Qummi,Najaf, Iraq: Matba-ah an-Najaf, 1386 A.H. ** Regarded to be the oldest and most respected Shi'ah Qur'anic commentary. **
Tusi, Shaykh Abu Ja'far (d. 460 A.H.), Tahtheeb al-Ahkam,Tehran, Iran: Dar al-kutub al-lslamiyyah, n.d. ** A source book of Shi'ah Hadith. It is considered to be one of the four original collections of Shi'ah hadith.**
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Result- We both loose and the non belivers win! **
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That's a very sinister and deadly poisonous trick used by the Shias to trick the Sunnis into their trap. **
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You know what Sherry? This is completely pointless. They are trying to proove to Us that Our books are true when we dont find a shred of truth imbeded in them. Isnt it absurd? It's like they know the books we should know better than we do! Congrats to Khoon, Serial and Daniyal!
I told you Serial, I dont wish to argue with you for I only know too well the arguments it will cause.......
HAA!! Hogwash. Anyway, you can continue with your “counter-claims” but you will never be able to prove anything with your “feel good” assertions! On the other hand, facts are in front of you about your own books and all the references are there…and its not something you should reply with “feel good” comments about what our books are…
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I know, you are not capable of discussion. if you were, we would see some facts on the table, some nice “cut and pastes” perhaps. Not empty rubbish just to feel good about it as long as you stay in the thread.
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The End.
AND WHEN IT IS SAID TO THEM: “DO NOT MAKE MISCHIEF ON THE EARTH”, THEY SAY “WE ARE ONLY PEACE-MAKERS” VERILY, THEY ARE THE ONES WHO MAKES MISCHIEF, BUT THEY PERCEIVE NOT"-[Qur’an-2:11-12]
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Originally posted by Shah Jahan:
*You know what Sherry? This is completely pointless. They are trying to proove to *Us that Our books are true when we dont find a shred of truth imbeded in them. Isnt it absurd? It's like they know the books we should know better than we do!
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** Your Scholars are CONVINCED about the authenticity of your books and have themselves praised them but ** You ** assert that they are not authentic !!!! **
This is how the ** PAGANS react. **
You don't seem to have any conscience when you lie, do you ??? Or you have been so brainwashed with your taqiyah, that you have no ethics or morals left whatsoever.
** Your statements ONLY PROVE that you've LOST the argument and that you have NO INTELLIGENT / DECENT refutations. **
This is similar to the attitude of the ** PAGANS. **
The Holy Qur'an says:
Let There Be No Compulsion in Religion,
For ** Truth Standsout * DISTINCT * ** from ** Error. ** (Holy Qur'an 2:256)
Here, we have seen the ** CLEAR DISTINCTION ** between ** ISLAM and SHIISM. **
** Islam Standsout * DISTINCT * ** from ** Shiism. **
The Hadith is clear that from the 73 difference sects, only one will be successful and will go to Jannah. That is the Ahlus Sunnah Wal Jamaa' (those that follow the laws of Allah according to the method shown by Rasulullah (SAW) and his illustrious Sahaaba). and Allah Ta'ala Knows Best - Mufti Ebrahim Desai FATWA DEPT.
(Hanafi - Ehle Sunnah)
hey shah jahan, let them dwel on our books, the funny part is they are more interested in our “holy books”(thanks to the non bias sites)than we are ..
I have Quran and my authentic hadiths and
why should we care about the irrelavent materials which has been posted here that contradcits Allah’s word openly, even 12 year old kid can defy those hadiths, I can’t believe ppl can be so unreasonable
We tried to remove the misconception but some ppl remained very stubborn not willing to compromise at all,I dun blame their mentality after all what do you expect from the supporters of Imam OBL
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But at the bright side there were more sensible sunnis alteast convinced about the completeness of the Quran..I gave the right references that confirms our belief on the completeness of the Quran,
I’m still waiting what they have to say about taqayyah, where I posted some ayahs and hadiths supporting it..
The only regret is that I dont have the usul kafi book where I can prove their references wrong oh well not end of the world, I could care less …
Shah jahan you will find good and bad in every sect including ahle sunnah and we have seen both here
Sherry, “feel good” comments only help you emotionally. Since you can’t come up with counter-facts, you rely on these feel good comments to give you some mental support.
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Khoon, high five!!!
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Originally posted by Khoon-e-Shaheed:
** ** Your Scholars are CONVINCED about the authenticity of your books and have themselves praised them but ** You ** assert that they are not authentic !!!! **
This is how the ** PAGANS react. **
You don't seem to have any conscience when you lie, do you ??? Or you have been so brainwashed with your taqiyah, that you have no ethics or morals left whatsoever.
** Your statements ONLY PROVE that you've LOST the argument and that you have NO INTELLIGENT / DECENT refutations. **
This is similar to the attitude of the ** PAGANS. **
The Holy Qur'an says:
Let There Be No Compulsion in Religion,
For ** Truth Standsout * DISTINCT * ** from ** Error. ** (Holy Qur'an 2:256)
Here, we have seen the ** CLEAR DISTINCTION ** between ** ISLAM and SHIISM. **
** Islam Standsout * DISTINCT * ** from ** Shiism. ****
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Khoon;
Shias do not claim that all their hadiths are authentic. That is why they classify them into strong, moderate, and weak hadiths.
Your urge to cling onto the weak hadiths to prove your point is making you look silly.
Shias can go to our authentic books as well and take out weak hadiths to prove their point. Where will u be then ?
Let's grow up a little.
A Wizard arrives neither early nor late, but precisely when he chooses to
Ouch.. a really bad blow and that too by your very own ppl (Ahle Sunnah)..hope you can take it gracefully khoone-e-shaheed
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Well done gandalf
I have a question to the Shia people, it might have been asked before, which I'm not aware of. But its something I've heard and just wanted to be sure. Do Shias believe that the angel Hazrat Gabrial came to the Prophet Mohammad (SAW) regarding the first revelation by mistake, when he should have gone to Hazrat Ali (RA)? I just wanted a clear answer, help will be appericiated.
No , Its not right ..
Thanx, do none of them believe it, or does the belief exist in some? A little more info. would be helpful. 
No Problem
It depends, Some fanatics will start claiming Hazrat Ali as God.touba touba ,obvioulsy based on those ppl you cant generalize the shia creed.Like I said numerous times, good and bad in every sects..
I have a question to the Shia people, it might have been asked before, which I'm not aware of. But its something I've heard and just wanted to be sure. Do Shias believe that the angel Hazrat Gabrial came to the Prophet Mohammad (SAW) regarding the first revelation by mistake, when he should have gone to Hazrat Ali (RA)? I just wanted a clear answer, help will be appreciated...........
that is not even possible allah could never make such a mistake neither could hazrat gibraeel.. if any shias do believe this then they are sillier then i thought
These are false accusations that the non-shia community has put upon our shia brothers and sisters.
Shias believe that Muhammed (saw) was the greatest of Allah's (swt) creations. He was Allah's (swt) final and greatest Prophet and Imam (Rasul).
Shias honor and love the ahl-bait - 12 imams - because of their obedience and love for the prophet (pbuh).
As such, the love that shias show to the 12 imams is due to the 12 imams love and obedience to Allah and the holy prophet(pbuh).
To say that Gibrael made a mistake and all is so silly that it should not even be brought up in such discussions.
I got the above from a Shia scholar that I was discussing Islam with.
A Wizard arrives neither early nor late, but precisely when he chooses to
And the ** Sahaaba ** ???
The Qur’an does not talk about the 12 Imams, but it talks about the Sahaaba though.
http://www.islamicweb.com/beliefs/cults/shia_rule.htm
** Imaam Maalik **
Once Maalik was asked about them and he replied, “Do not speak to them nor narrate from them, for surely they are liars.” [Minhaaj as-Sunnah, 1/37]
During a class of ** Imaam Maalik, ** it was mentioned that the ** Raafidite Shi`ites curse the Sahaabah. **
In reply, he quoted the ** Quranic verse, ** * “Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah and ** those with him ** are harsh with the disbelievers and gentle among themselves. ** So that the disbelievers may become enraged with them.” ** *
He then said, ** “Whoever becomes enraged when the Sahaabah are mentioned is one about whom the verse speaks.” ** [Tafseeer al-Qurtubee, Soorah al-Fath; Editor’s note: ** That is, anyone who is enraged by the mention of the Sahaabah is a dsibeliever, p** because the verse says, “…the disbelievers may become enraged with them (Sahaabah).”]
** Imaam Ibn Hazm ** quoted a report with an isnad going back to Hishaam ibn ‘Ammaar, who said: “I heard Maalik ibn Anas say: ** “Whoever curses Abu Bakr should be whipped, and whoever curses ‘Aa’ishah should be killed.” ** He was asked, “Why do you say that concerning (the one who curses) ‘Aa’ishah?” He said, Because ** Allah says ** concerning ‘Aa’ishah, (may Allah be pleased with her): ** “Allah forbids you from it (slander her) and warns you not to repeat the like of it * FOREVER, * if you are believers.” ** (al-Noor 24:17)’”
Bro,
According to shias, believing that all Sahabahs were good cannot be proven from the qur'an.
In addition, believing in the sahabahs at all is not an article of faith.
Shias respect sahabahs that they consider were good based on their obedience to the holy prophet (pbuh).
But we cannot use their selective liking for sahabahs as a way of accusing their beliefs.
Even the qur'an says that hypocrits were present around those that the prophet (pbuh) knew. As such, to say that shias do not have the right to judge "good" sahabahs from the "bad" is not just.
May be our shia brothers can shed more light on this matter.
'selective liking' what are you on?
why should you say i like usman(RA) because of this and because abu bakr(RA) did this... we dont like him
if the quran says their were hypocrites around our prophet, then it certainly does not mean the sahaba, it surely means other munafiqeen and kaffir who pretended to believe.
shias have no right to judge our sahabas and also a revelation was made that hazrat aisha was pure, you shias say she is not.
how can you say this if you claim to be lovers of the prophets family dont you class her as one of his family members or not? and as everyone knows that she was the prophets favourite wife.