Shia-Sunni

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i have posted from shia authentic book not from my own book, you may find such eveil dua from this book.

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The only reason I see in all the narrations of weakness is that someone is a shia in the chain.

I am sure that makes it totally unreliable.

ZINDAGI
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who can we narrates from a lier he was lier too.

The scholars are agreed, on the basis of reports and chains of narrators, that the Raafidah (the Shi’ah) are the most mendacious of groups and that the lies among them are ancient. Hence the imams defined them as being distinguished by the fact that they are liars.

Imam Maalik was asked about the Raafidah and he said: Do not talk to them and do not narrate from them, because they tell lies.

Imam al-Shaafa’i said: I have never seen anyone who bears false witness more than the Raafidis.

Yazeed ibn Haroon said: You can narrate from any man of innovation (bid’ah), provided that he is not active in calling others to his innovation, except al-Raafidah, because they are liars.

Shareek al-Qaadi said: Acquire knowledge from everyone you meet except the Raafidah, for they fabricate hadeeth and take that as their religion.

This Shareek is Shareek ibn ‘Abd-Allaah al-Qaadi, the qaadi of Kufah, one of the peers of al-Thawri and Abu Haneefah. He is one of the Shi’ah who said with his own tongue: I am one of the Shi’ah, and this was his testimony concerning them.

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^dont worry, they have said more funny things in the past like:

Imam Shafai is totally unreliable (Yahya Bin Moin in Jama Byanul Ilm).

Abu Hanifa had no trace of knowledge of Deen (Imam Ahmad Bin Hanbal, Khateeb Baghdadi 13:396).

Abu Hanifa is no less than Iblees and Dajjal (Imam Malik, Khateeb Baghdadi 13:396).

The worst of all people in Islam is Abu Hanifa. He is Dajjal! (Abdur Rahman Bin Mahdi, Imam Ozaai, Khateeb Baghdadi 13:498).

The mischief of Imam Abu Hanifa for the Ummah is no less than that of Dajjal. According to Imam Abdur Rahman Mehdi, his Fitna is greater then that of Dajjal, the anti-Christ.

Imam Shafaai called Abu Hanifa “the worst of creation”.

Imam Ahmad bin Hanbal said, "I agree with what you are telling me, but if Abu Hanifa favored it, then I reject it as nonsense."

Abu Hanifa and Imam Ahmad bin Hanbal were "Munkireen" (deniers) of hadith. Abu Hanifa accepted only 17 ahadith (Khateeb 13:387).

A person told a hadith on behalf of Imam Malik to Abu Hanifa that wudhu (ablution) is half of faith. Imam Abu Hanifa responded (sarcastically), “You should perform two ablutions so that your faith can become whole (Khateeb Baghdadi 13:387).

Abu Hanifa declared that Imam Malik was a man without any sense.

Imam Ja’afar Sadiq was an ugly blot on Islam according to Ahmad bin Hanbal.

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show me authenticity of such fake alegation.

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^check the references for yourself. They are up there.

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What about the Dua I posted, do you agree with that?

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I didnt know i am getting so popular in here.

To the guy who answered a long post to mine.

Bro, firstly i dont go to websites and take what they say, i have done enough research from various sunni and shias sources to come to my conclusions.
Hope you get it.
I am not amateur in shia knwolegd i tell u that much.

And other twisted and clever counter argumnets you and your pal have given i cannot be bothered to address, although do laugh, I will simply say im too old for this, have debated with enough of you, same crappy false, soporic arguments, that nor we should nor do give importance to.

BASICALLY, YOUR FALSE REFERANCES AND ARGUMNETS AINT WORKING HERE BROV.
AND I APPEAL TO ALL MY SUNNIS BROTHERS THAT BECAUSE OF THIER RELGIOUS FUNDEMENTAL DOCTRINES OF LIEING AND DECEIEVING, YOU CAN NEVER GET INTO HONEST DEBATE WITH ANY SHIA, SO THERE IS NO POINT OF ENCOURAGING DEBATE WITH THEM. THIS IS COMING FROM A PERSON WITH EXTENSIVE EXPERIENCE.

ITS IS A FUNDEMENTAL PIECE OF THIER RELIFION TO DECIEVE AND FOOL OTHERS ABOUT THE INNER TRUTH OF THIER RELGION, THEREFORE THERE CAN NEVER BE ANY FRUITFUL INTERACTION WITH THEM. SO DONT EVER WASTE YOUR TIME TRUSTING THE SHIAS!

ALready this guy has denied the one big fundemental traditional ngiht of thier called TABARAA.
This is they night which they ritually gathe togather just to CURSE AND ABUSE OUR PIOUS CALIPHAS AND WIVES OF THE PROPHET.

THIS Guy has blatently denied exictance of it. He just make sme laugh actually BECOS I HAVE LIVE VIDEO RECORDING OF TABARA NIGHTS, WHERE ALL TYPES OF SHIAS ATTEND YOUNG, OLD, EDUCATED NOT EDUCATED. IF YOU WITNESS ANY OF THESE GATHERINGS AND THE CONTENT OF HATE THEY SPILL FOR OUR CALIPHAS YOU WILL SEE WHO IS LIEING ME OR NICE-BOY!
If anybody wants link to tabara gathering secret video recordings just have to pm me.
Nice-Boy you can do also

And, The website of ahlul-bayt.com, is not a propoganda or logicless website, it objectivly portrays the the truth of shiasm supported by proofs and ref.s from thier own respected books/sources.
And boy, to me your answerin-ansar website is nothing but rubbish. I have already reviewed time ago how it answers www.ansar.com.To me this site is nothing but forgey and lie.
Bro understand one thing, you cannot fool anyone anymore. You religion is out in the open, your over ambitious taqqiyah, lieing tac-tics to defend your religion just make the opposition laugh rather than to fool. Online sunni and shia hadith collections r just a click of a button away to validate your statements and false hadiths.
And there are easily obtaineble/purchasebale hard copy referances from islamic bookshops/libaraies.

So u waste ur time even trying.

And sorry We dont want to be united even have anything to do with people whos actions are resemble those of maniac butchers in the ashoora.
The whole world looks at you in bewilderment and we dont want to be linked to the bad impression and dawa you lend from it.

H.Aisha did not beat herself on the Prophet (pbuh) death, as you assert. If you assert it THEN WHERE IS THE PROOF. GIVE ME THE BUKHARI/MUSLIM REFERANCE OF THE HADITH. OBVIULSY U CANT BECAUSE YOUR LIEING!

We sunnies dont want to engage into any debate of hadiths, as they are fruitless.

BOTTOM LINE IS:

To All Sunnies H.AISHA IS MOTHER OF BELIEVERS, she is our mother, to us she and h.ali have no standing dispute, H.ABU BAKR, H.UMER, H.USMAN ARE our beloved they are closer to us than our hearts, and if you dont respect them then we dont want your respect for us, nor we want to respect you.

BOTTOM LINE: We sunnies belive the prophet (pbuh) sincerly loved those sahabies and sincerely told us to love and respect them and prohibited us from speaking bad or thinking bad about them.

THEREFORE THEY IS NO BASIS FOR UNITY WITH U PEOPLE WHO DISRESPECT OUR MOTHERS AND FOREFATHERS.

THIS IS WHAT WE CANNOT AND WILL NOT TOLERATE.

BUT YES WE CAN HAVE PEACEFUL-CO-EXISTANCE.

AND NICE-BOY, The sunni brothers who encourrage unity with shias is NOT because we need you, infact even they know your beliefs are too corrupt worth considering, thier only hand comes forward is OUT OF MERCY for you minority shias. And mercy is encouraged for all creation.
Conversly it is YOUR SECT who pleads for UNITY because the truth is you know you are the minority sect and are in danger from us.

And dont mean offence to thread creator, but who CREATED THIS THREAD CALLING FOR UNITY?

Sunni or shia?

and its seriusly waste of time you answering or defending as you see it against my posts.

Because we dont fall for none of your lies nor twisted explanations.

We have our own justificatins and strong grounds for our beliefs as i portrayed them, which we are goin to stick on.None of your argumments are new and they dont create any influence.
Frankly to us, your side and your beliefs go agsint koran that honours the sahabie muhjirun and ansar with tidying of paradise, the very whom you curse.

We dont want your justifications agsint people who Allah has already clearly, given tidying of paradise= piety.

TO All sunnis bros and sisters I inform you not to nurture any doubts against the sahaba.
Because In not one but many ayahs of Koran the ‘muhajirun’ (the muslims who migranted from makka to medina) and the ‘ansar’ (the dwellers of madina who recieved and looked after them) have they been been promised paradise.

If you Shias have some arguement too agsint these Allahs verses, keep them to yourself because we dont want to hear the it nor will you benefit from showing us.

Whatver your belief and your reasons for dislikeing the sahaba is up to you, which you too will not change.

Then lets keep it like that.

and finish it off with surt kafirun.

’ we will never follow that which you follow, you will never follow that which we follow,

so to us be our religion, and to you your relgion’’

HOPE U GET IT.

I urge All sunni brother to restrain from engaging form excessive debates with shias, direct your efforts in more productive things.

Timepass April 2013
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^lol, is this guy for real? he sounds like he has watched too much WWF!

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:)

Objectively speaking the MAIN difference between the two main sects stems from who the people in authority were/havebeen since after the death of the Prophet of Islam.

يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُواْ أَطِيعُواْ اللّهَ وَأَطِيعُواْ الرَّسُولَ وَأُوْلِي الأَمْرِ 4:59

Ulil Amr
-Allah (swt) choose or the people choose?
-did Allah (swt) and his Prophet (saww) made appointment in the Prophets lifetime, and was it made clear to the people?
-did Allah (swt) and his Prophet (saww) left it for the people to decide, if yes then what are the standards/methods to choose one?

My request to Sunni friends
-try to understand the status of the family of the Prophet and increase your knowledge about them as our knowledge about them is limited
-Understand why Allah (swt) has made loving and following them an obligation for the believers (if you don't love them then you haven't paid the wage of Risalat, Quran 42:23)
--read the reasons why they were isolated, killed, looted, tortured, imprisioned and by whom and why their enemies did not have the best interest of Islam in their hearts.

My request to Shia friends
-refrain from personal attacks on the Sahabas particuarly the caliphs
-stay away from diverging to issues that bring out abuse and hate

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@amir_pindi - yeah you sound old and tired. Btw, I have debated many sunnis and converted a few of them to the righteous path and made a lot of them realize that shias have valid claims and they have missed out on some important aspects of Islamic history.

The crux of your arguments is I know better and I have read and I understand it to be correct so it is. This is not how debates are held. Secondly like all narrow minded biased partisans you are arguing that shias lie hence there is no point in listening to their arguments - It is simply because you are afraid that when people hear arguments the shia, it will appeal to them and you will loose the debate.

This is nothing new, it has been happening right after the passing of the prophet SAW and will contiue happening so.

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Yeayh, we just saw the pathetic approach of your’s which is the result of your ‘enough research’ and also we are going to experience the same in this very post of your’s being refuted here.

Yeah I am perfectly aware of this excuse taught by Nawasib to their naive ahderents, shhhhhhhhhhh not to talk to Shias, they lie, thats it. The reallity is that since they know that their ancestors were wrong and that can be proven from their own books, that have just nib in the bud by teaxhing them that whatever is coming from a Shia is nothing by a lie.

For God sake, use some Aql [in case you believe in it] if you think that the reference being provided to you is tempoered with, there are plethora of Sunni websites, just give the direct link and expose the alleged weakness in the references provided by the Shia, BUT NO, the only yapping you will hear is “This is a lie” thats it.

So you have now changed your stance from “cursing Sahaba after every Namaz” to general cursing them? How deceit but what else can we expect from you, the follow of one who had no shame in telling a lie in front of the daughter of Holy Pophet [s], yet you accuse Shias of telling lies, ah.

That shows how pathetic ignorant you are. There are numbers of articles there at www.Answering-Ansar.org that are drect refutations to the rubish copy-paste provided by the Nasibi kids of ahlebayt.com, yet you are living in the dream world that AA only refutes ansar.org. Is this not suffice to provew as to who is a liar [and a follower of lair] here? I hope it is.

The thing is that the baseles belifs coinned by your ancestors who laid down the foundatino of your school have now been exposed to the world and they unbiased individuals are now able to see what sheer hypocrisy is attached to the fundamental beliefs of your school, i.e. “No one should abuse or curse any Sahabi” but when it comes to your foruth caliph, who also happened to be a prominent Sahaba, the toungues get stiched and NOT a single word comes out of your mouth to condemn those shameless people who had audacity to curse, hate and fight your fourth rightyl guided caliph.

Thus, come out of the dream world, and yes, books are now available at the clikc of the mouse, so no one is stopping you.

Yeah you people would just keep dying by thinking ‘what the world thinks’ about you.
The reallity is, to the whole world, the very basics of your school has been exposed, that is , to cut the throats of those who do not concur in your pathetic beliefs, to severe limbs from the body parts, to behead innocent ones through a child in front of masses, four male grabbing a women to hit on her lower back infront of mae audience, blowing up mosues along with all worshipers there in etc. So no one is interested in your pathetic approach towards religion. And why not, since you are admirer of an individual who had no shame in threatening to burn down the hosue of the daughter of Hly Prophet [s] and hence burn alive all those inside the house, whatever you people are doing today with innocents, was bound to happen.

This again shows how ignorant you are of your own blief. Is Bukhari and Muslim are the only two people on your school is based? Were the rest of the Sunni scholars and the comilers of Hadith, History, Fiqh wasted their time actually? People like Imam Ahmed, Tirmizi, Nasai, Abu Dawood, Ibn Kathir, Imam Ibn Jarir etc?

As for proof Imam Ibn Jarir Tabari records
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**Abbas narrates: **
"I heard Ayesha saying “The Messenger of God died on my bosom during my turn, I did not wrong anyone in regard to him. It was because of my ignorance and youthfulness that the Messenger of God died while he was in my lap. Then I laid his head on a pillow and got up beating my chest and slapping my face along with the women”.
al Tabari in History Volume 9 page 183 (English translation by Ismail Poonawala):

Not only this, but your Nasibi Imam Ibn Katheer, the hardcore enemies of Shias also recorded this event in his book al-Bidayah wa-al Nihayah Volume 5 page 420 published by Nafees Academy Karachi .

The Sunnies have always been debating with Shias and others on the basis of Hadiths, so dont try to be smart in front of navie Sunnies by saying “We Sunnies”. Your approach so far has not shown you present orthodox Sunni school but highly influneced by Nasibi cult.

The bottom line is, al of those individuals you mentioned, in one way or other opposed, hurt, hated and even faught war against Ali bin Abi Talib [as] and other memebers of Ahulbayt [as], so being the follower of Ahullbat [as], we Shias have geniune reason not to respect the aforesaid personalities. And it is quite strange that Nawasib are trying to re-write the history by claiming that there was no standing dispute between them, perhaps, they close their eyes when the text regarding the War of Jamal passes from their eyes while reading history.

Having said that, this is my personal opinion and this is not for you, but have been my view point since ever, that we Shias cannot respect the enemies of Ahulbayt [as], but that doesnt mean we should abuse them, and for the co existence of different schools on earth, this should be avoided. Giving respect to somone and acusing someone are two different things.

Thats what your literature say. To us, Prophet [s] had clearly instructed to adhere to Quran and Ahlulbayt [as] and whoever appose, hurt, curse, hate and fight Ahlulbayt [as] is actually doing a major sin and we cannot respect such individuals.

Since you are coming from Nasibi cult, the basic characteristics of Nawasib is that they want their opponents to repeat themsevles so that the issue cant enter into the thick Nasibi brains. So here it is again: ‘No Shia is begging you for unity, such vocies are coming from the elemts within both schools and their eyes are on the betterment of the Ummah as a whole. To Shias, we have been living without Sunnis since centuries, it wont make any difference to us in future as well.’

The only cult that has hall for the lies and twisted explanation is the adherent of the individual who had no shame in the world to tell a lie and attribute it to Holy Prophet [s] right there in front of the daughter of the last Prophet [s].

Same goes here, to us your basic belifs go against Quran and Sunnah that honours and instruct us to adhere to Ahlulbayt [as], the very whom you oppose by licking the feet of their enemies.

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Counter posts to mine indeed very funny.

I am gaining popularity maybe i should start my own anti-shia site will get 2 million charged up shia hits and i can become rich from advertising income.

I assure one thing i do not follow any nasibi literature. Nasibies are the people who abuse and hate h.alis family, and nor the website of ahlel-bayt.com say or support that infact and nor do i and nor do i follow any of thier extreme litertaure.
Infact the website of ahlel-bayt have nothing but love and respectful attutide towards the ahlel bayt, which is why it was opened in the first place.

And i dont believe anybody speeches brov. I read with my own eyes what kind of rubbish, abuseful, hateful things your respcted hadith books of usul-kafi, nargul-balagha etc etc are full with against the sahabi and sunnies.

Ok if to preserve objectivity. Sunni brothers dont folow what i say, but do go and look in thier respectable books yourself and see if the things i accuse them of, i.e; lieing, decieving, abuse of sahaba, abuse of h.aisha are spread all out in thier top notch books of
usul-kafi, nargul-balagha or not.These books too shias are like what sahih bukari, muslim are to sunnies.

I gurantee any sunni brother having even a brief glance through these books will then agree to my stance.

To rightous, u can continue with your debates with sunnies. I have faith that the people who leave islam are only the types who didnt have proper iman in the first place.

To Nice-Boy

I have not tooken back my stance that you shias curse each sahaba after each namz in your salam. every single one of you do that.
Shia converts have exposed your antics.
The Tabara night, is also a fact. If any body wants proof of this please pm me, because if i post links here i might get done for violent link posting.

These nights are purely devoted to nothing but abusing, maligning, and rejuvenating shias fundemental hate and feelings for sahaba.

If one ever went or saw one of thee gathering you will never want to again see a shias face.

Anyway next point:

Dude i said give me ref of h.aisha wailing from bukhari or muslim, because the other less familiar refs you give from so and so whatver scholars book are fake

Like the one you just gave.
Or if you want to provide a proof then atleats provide it from within our 6 respected books of hadith, which can be checked.

Anyway you wont be able to do that, so lets leave that too.

Next point: You people can keep beating yourelf and be less worry of your impression, however the impression we sunnies generate from our practices is how we are bringing around 500 new people to islam everyday.
I think we are going pretty good.

All i can do is laugh at the remainding desperate effort of your to save your image.

Cant be bothered to refute or address the rest.
And your repeated attempts to defend each of my shia derogating posts clearly show how desperate you are for preserving your image and calls for unity.

And ill inform you again pls dont feel the sunnies who do call for unity actually want it or need it. It is just out of thier mercy and compassion toward this need of your sect.
We feel that maybe if we let you be around us, maybe you might be influecned by us and come on the right.
We let you be around us the same way the prophet (pbuh) had mercy on the hypcrites and let them remain around him. And many of them did indeed come right.

What i will say is that im not proactive for killing or supressing shia people or thier rights

All im saying is your core beliefs are too extreme and offensive for us, and your doctrine of deceptivness and lies invalidate you to such an extent that we dont want nor can be united with you.
And your real call for unity is not for unity but for infiltration so you have the facility of your converting sunnies.

Your other core belief is of extreme hate and abuse for sahabies. Which we believe is unjustified and extremly wrong.

Thats is why i am agsinst your unity calls.

But Peaceful co-existance should exist. Lets keep it at that.

I once again urge all sunniy brothers it is wasteful to engage with shias on any debate on issue of sahabas. Because thankfully Allah has already not in one but many ayahs of the koran given them glad tidings and promise of paradise, amongst the foremost who are the first 3 caliphas and h.aisha, h.hafsa.

Therefore What kind of stance should we have towards 'jannati' people.
Ofcourse nothing but respect.

So the matter of the sahabies is nothing to be debated upon with any shia or anyone else.

Once again I would refer any sunni brother to the ahlel-bayt.com website for all typical extreme argumnents/misconceptions have against sahabies and thier refutations/clarifications with proof from both sunnis and shia resected and checkable sources.

Whoever this website is writeen by kids, babies, mullahs or scholars. We islamically know that a persons speech should not be judge by his rank or age but by its content. A kid of 10 year old can have more knowledge than and of 40 and if he has he should be given the due respect and importance.
These guys do not refute shia misconeptions through thier personal opnions, but only through clear proofs from the koran, authentic sunni and shia hadiths.

And it is written in a reader friendly, succint format so anybody of any background can easily and quickly understand their points.

I would recommend shia brothers to also refer to and carefully read the websites clarifications to your misconceptions about the sahaba.

Im aware of ansar.org and other shia/sites but as they are less organised and less user friendly so i continue to recommend ahlulbayt.com/org.

Peace

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^ amir pindi it seems to me u r doing the same thing to sahabas which the 12ers do to their imams i.e consider from infallible

nowhere in sunni madhabs is non-criticism of sahaba a article of faith as u seem to made it out to be.It IS accepted however that ALL sahaba are reliable hadith narraters

The biggest thing that distinguish 12ers from Ahle sunnah is the concept of imamate and infallibilty

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Btw, I have debated many sunnis and converted a few of them to the righteous path and made a lot of them realize that shias have valid claims and they have missed out on some important aspects of Islamic history.

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lol if some misguided sunnis converted to 12ers simply cuz they were dazzled by some historical facts then all i can say is that its like the blind leading the blind .....

A hesitation of the part of ahle sunnah to discuss islamic history has encouraged the 12ers to mount a intense propoganda campaign to prove their pov thru obscure references.
Most of the points of debate that occur between 12ers and sunnis like succession, firstc civilwar, karbala etc are not points of dispute.As 12er and sunni sources for these events are fairly similar.

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How often do we as Shia/Sunni/Jew/Muslim spend time to focus on our commonalities?
We as humans love to segregate ourselves because we love to be in the little boxes that we have built around us. We also love to differentiate and stereotype the other as it simplifies our job as we dont have to learn anything about the eachother. I urge you all to read about each others idealogies. Talk, share, enjoy, cherish and learn from eachother. Learn to discuss the differences with respect and unlike those unfortunate people who have resorted to violence on the basis of the differnece of idealogies. Remember that even twins born with same genes do not have identicle views on things!

Wouldnt we all agree that is not a signle religion or sect or community in the world that has ALL the good or ALL the bad people. We love to give verdict that the other is going is misguided or going to hell whereas in reality of things we don't even know that we might die the next seconed!

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LOL, it seems that you seldom take part in such debates and since you have by chance taken this time and receiving replies [although the stupid and typical Nasibi stance you are propagating do not worth replies] it seems that it is making you excite.

Yes you do represent Nasibi cult here and the website you are in love with is typical example of Nasibi literature, just check their stance on Bibi Fatima Zahra [sa] in their article on Fadak wherein those Nawasib have tried to equate her right of inheritance to that of Kafir. No need to tell their defense for Imam of Nawasib Muawiyah bin Hinda.

And accept it, your ancestors were Nawasib, there are number of Nasibi and Khariji narrators who have been praised by your ulema and have been deemed the source of guidace to derive the teachings from in shape of Hadith.

Even Non-Muslims are aware of the rubbish and stupid things attributed to Allah [swt], His Prophet [s] and other personalities of Islam recorded in Saha sAtta of your school, so no need to get excited.

This again shows your sheer ignorance on your part regarding Shia beliefs, you people grade books as Sahih while we do not regard anything as Sahih aprt from Quran rather its a particular Hadith that needs to be scrutinized and graded not a complete book. Thats that thing that has caused your sect embarrassment in front of world.

Again you have lied but I know you cant help it since you are in struglle to be the perfect adherent of one who abandoned all aspects of marality and attributed a lie to Holy Prophet [s] right in front of His [s] daughter.

Cut the crap and dont try to be smart with me. I know the years of discomfort with Shia debators have forced the low level Nawasib to use this “Sahih Bukhari and Sahih Muslim Only” card but it will not work here unless you declare that rest of the Sunni scholars who spent their lves in compling Hadith and historical work were all lunatics and fool of first order since they did not know that it was onlt two books which are to be followeed in their school, and such scholars include Imam Ahmed, Imam Tirmizi, Abo Dawood, Imam Darmi, Nasai, Ibn Katheer, Imam Ibn Jareer, Majah, Behaqqi, Ibn Habban.

If you want scanned page from the version of Tarikh Ibn Katheer then I can do that or if you want the original Arabic from both the books, that can also be done, depends on your request. But I have less hope that you will ask me for that since it will expose the myth the low level Nawasib have been creating according to which everything apart from Bukhari and Muslim is to be discard and always keep yapping “fake fake fake” slogan.

We give it dam what Sunnies take impression from us. And if you are so much interested in “impression” things and hence bringing 500 new people to Islam everyday, the non Muslim, in fact orthodox Muslim too are now feeling repulsive of your teachings due to the impression you people have been giving them through the acts of terrorism I mentioned in my post.

[It seems that you want to remain stubborn and dont want to take the stance I have been mentioning regarding the unity topic, ok let it be then]

You peoepl shall never seek and beg for unity with Shias just because that will provide a face voer fo the terrorism you people have spread across the world. We are seriously not ineterested in any such request. Yes, that is why you people are begging for untyi with Shias but keep dreaming.

If opposing the enemies of Ahlulbayt [as] is extremely wrong to you and on the contrary loving and licking the feet of those enemies is the actual and most correct things to you, then be it.

Or what else we all have been writing in here? Were you on drugs all this long?

Yeah blah blah blah. the question which I hade thrown at your face is it self unansered and as I had stated right there in my post, that I never get its reply from any Sunni or Nasibi, same happaned here, but letme repeat that once again:

“If cursing or abusing Sahaba is Kufr, I want you to clearly pass edict of Kufr on those individuals who hated, cursed, abused and faught your fourth rightly guided caliph”

Inshallah this shall suffice to reveal “the double standards policy” your school is based on.

And I would like to inform every Sunni and Nasibi that the above mentioned Nasibi website have been refuted long time back by www.Answering-Ansar.org and thus there is no need to read and learn from outdated text.

Peace

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What difference those Sunnies who are/were well familiar with history and were 'with eyes' [not blind as per you] have done in this regard, have they been able to prove something unique regarding the incidents you referred to?

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^no ...but thats the point ...there is NOTHING unique to prove

incidents like the ones i mentioned are well documneted in history , rijal hadith sources.It is unfortunate that these well established facts have become the subject of shia-sunni polemics otherwise God as my witness these issues have nothing to do with the doctrinal differences between them.

its just the spin that is put on them by extreme rafidha and nawasib which is unique

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It must be your personal prespective of viewing the said incidents while people have been and still do find out the aspect of different 'belief system' attached to those incidents.