Shia/Sunni names

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Salaam,

I have been told that I have a very Shia name throughout my life. I have had a lot of Shia friends and I learnt that certain names are very common. I regard myself as having a Muslim name and find it quite strange when people assume i’m Shia when I tell them my name!! There is nothing wrong with them thinking i’m Shia, but the basic thinking behind separating the 2 sects as much as possible I don’t agree with. We are all muslims at the end of the day.

Have you guys had any experiences like this?

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Simple reason is that sunni carries same respect for all Shahabas so the would commonly have names like Ali, Hasan, Hussein, Abbas, Jafar etc. On the other hand shias bear great grudge and hate against most sahabas and will never have names like Bakr, umer, Uthman, Aisha, Talha etc.
So somebody with the name of "Ali" or "Husain" can be either be shia or sunni but someone with name of "Umer" or 'Aisha" can never be a shia, rest assured.

[This message has been edited by analyze it (edited May 23, 2001).]

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Your drawing a lot of assumptions there 'analyze it'. There are divisions within shiaism and the majority (that I know of) don't have hate for the Sahabas (although they may not agree with all their actions). Some of the more ignorant Shias do.

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dude i think analyze it is right this time…for a change

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there are many reasons why shia’s hate these people..if some people are not very open about it does not mean they like them

but anyways its true no shia will have the name of umar usman aisha etc

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hate is a very strong word. If you're going to make comments about Shias in general then I would choose your words carefully. However, if these are your thoughts alone then feel free to say what you wish

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[quote]
Originally posted by Sheraz CT:
**dude i think analyze it is right this time...for a change :)

there are many reasons why shia's hate these people..if some people are not very open about it does not mean they like them

but anyways its true no shia will have the name of umar usman aisha etc**
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Well Hate is the strong word but is the RIGHT WORD from us to them all.

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DEAR WOULD YOU LIKE TO HAVE NAME "YAZEED"""
HE WAS SON OF " MAWYAA""""
WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT IT????????????????

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well cool dude, you see that two shias have just agreed to the use of word “Hate” here.
you may use a mild adjective but it would not change the feelings against sahabas.
I don’t think there is any subsect of shia with Some Respect for shabas as stated by farhina. Since you are searching for truth, search and let me know.
I don’t think I have ever seen anybody in my life with the name of Yazeed or Muawya so this is a wasted issue. There is no controversy about it that nobody likes these personalities but I have seen hundreds of thousands of muslims with names like Bakr, Umer and Aisha, whether you like it or not.

I can die in peace now that sheraz has agreed on something.(even for a change)

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[This message has been edited by analyze it (edited May 23, 2001).]

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Brothers I have collected some historical facts about names in my thread called
"How much Hadrat Ali (Radi Allah an hu)loved....three Caliphs
Do read that....hope would be some addition to your knowledge

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This is worrying. What sect of Shia are you?

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Bro I am a Sunni.......

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Originally posted by CoolDude:
This is worrying. What sect of Shia are you?
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I'm talking about Sheraz and analyze it. They said that they hate some of the sahaba. Those are strong words which I don't hear from the Shias that I know.

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[quote]
Originally posted by CoolDude:
I'm talking about Sheraz and analyze it. They said that they hate some of the sahaba. Those are strong words which I don't hear from the Shias that I know.
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Cool Dude: I never said I hate sahabas and I never said that I am shia. I respect both shias and sunnis but differ with both on many issues. I merely referred to shias replies to your query stating that ALL shias hate most sahabas and it is a fact, not that it is right or wrong.

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aahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

yes its true shia's hate some sahabas..they dont hate them cuz they looked ugly or anything...who knows maybe they were but anyways..

we all love Prophet Mohummad the most..if someone can hurt His nobel family then we have the right to hate that person

you all agree that aisha fought with Imam Ali..you all agree that not a single person from Prophets family is burried next to him..you all agree that abu bakr hurt Bibi Fatima's feelings..but u still respect them all..its hard for us to do that..sorry

[This message has been edited by Girl from Quraysh (edited May 24, 2001).]

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Sheraz says: *"yes its true shia's HATE some sahabas..they dont hate them cuz they looked ugly or anything... WHO KNOWS MAYBE THEY WERE but anyways.."*
no doubt sheraz and co. all of your posts (as always) smells very necrotic. haven’t seen any shia appreciating any of the sahabas… this reminds me of an incidence once hadhrat ali(ra) was passing by a crowd, he saw a dead donkey, everyone around was picking up that dead stinky stuff… some says its smell like hell, some says it make him sick to the stomach and so… Hadhrat ali(ra) on hearing such talks says look at his teeths, even after death how beautiful and glittering they look...

Moral of the story is, have you picked up any good quality from that pious personality or you just follow those surrounding the donkey... your slogan that you are dedicated following hadhrat ali(ra) is indeed very fake.
Sheraz says: *"we all love Prophet Mohummad the most..if someone can hurt His nobel family then we have the RIGHT TO HATE that person"*
and may I ask who gave you the RIGHT to “HATE” sahaba? i guess no one except your upbringing or perhaps its genetic.

please stop this melodrama, you were not there, all you have heard is from your hated-preaching ancestors… now with the passage of time the condition of your creed is that you even don’t have the capacity to differentiate right from wrong… Don’t you think there is one might Allah who still talks, why are you afraid of asking him the true path… how insane of you…

PS: analyze-it, i read your reply addressed to me on the other thread… i will answer it as time permits. thankyou.

[This message has been edited by Zalim (edited May 25, 2001).]

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[quote]
Originally posted by Zalim:
**** all of your posts (as always) smells very necrotic. haven’t seen any shia appreciating any of the sahabas…

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That wrong brother we do respect sahabas like Salman Farsi, but yeah we dont respect the sahaba who hurted the family of the prophet, who turned their back after the Prophet's death and disobeyed What he said at Ghadeer-e-Khum.

[This message has been edited by Insaniyat (edited May 25, 2001).]

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As I said before, the equation is very simple:

For the Sahaaba to turn their backs on the Prophet PBUH after his death, implies that the Prophet PBUH had a bad judgement for keeping them as companions in the first place, a bad judgement for marrying their daughters and an even badder judgement for making them record the ayats at the time of revelation.

In turn, Hazrat Jibra'eel was incorrect for revealing the Qur'aan on the authority of Allah SWTA to the Prophet PBUH, because he couldn't even tell who and what his companions were.

Therefore, ultimately Allah SWTA made a mistake for choosing the Prophet PBUH as a mercy for all mankind and a Messenger of Allah SWTA and giving him the Divine revelation of the Qur'aan.

Furthermore, Allah SWTA also didn't love the Prophet as much as you hypocrytes claim you do, for not forewarning the Prophet PBUH about the backturning by his most trusted.

Even the most naive could work this equation out, given the formula.

Let's go to the original source for reference, The Qur'aan, regarding the Prophet PBUH's capability of judgement.

Please don't quote any A'Hadeeth, as the Qur'aan takes authority.

It originally started off with cursing the Sahaaba, and has now led to accusing the Prophet PBUH of being a bad judge!

The Qur'aan was revealed to the Prophet PBUH, not to distress him(20:2)

Allah gave the Prophet PBUH, the seven oft repeated ayat and the Mighty Qur'aan.(15:87)

The Qur'aan is the speech of a noble Messenger.(69:40)

The Prophet PBUH followed the Qur'aan meticulously and thus his Sunnah is the correct interpretation of the Qur'aan.(6:50,7:2-3,10:15,46:9)

In all matters of disputes and differences, judgement should be based on the Qur'aan.(4:60-61,4:105,5:48-50)

Those who do not judge their matters by the Qur'aan are disbelievers, evildoers and transgressors.(5:44,5:45,5:47)

The Qur'aan was revealed to the Prophet PBUH so that he may bring forth mankind from the depths of darkness into the light of guidance.(14:1,65:11)

The fact is, that no mistake was ever made in choosing the Prophet PBUH as the final seal of Messengers and neither did the Prophet PBUH make any mistakes in choosing his companions.

Check the facts for yourself.

I rest my case.

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[quote]
Originally posted by sholay:
**
As I said before, the equation is very simple:

For the Sahaaba to turn their backs on the Prophet PBUH after his death, implies that the Prophet PBUH had a bad judgement for keeping them as companions in the first place, a bad judgement for marrying their daughters and an even badder judgement for making them record the ayats at the time of revelation.

In turn, Hazrat Jibra'eel was incorrect for revealing the Qur'aan on the authority of Allah SWTA to the Prophet PBUH, because he couldn't even tell who and what his companions were.

Therefore, ultimately Allah SWTA made a mistake for choosing the Prophet PBUH as a mercy for all mankind and a Messenger of Allah SWTA and giving him the Divine revelation of the Qur'aan.

Furthermore, Allah SWTA also didn't love the Prophet as much as you hypocrytes claim you do, for not forewarning the Prophet PBUH about the backturning by his most trusted.

Even the most naive could work this equation out, given the formula.

Let's go to the original source for reference, The Qur'aan, regarding the Prophet PBUH's capability of judgement.

Please don't quote any A'Hadeeth, as the Qur'aan takes authority.

It originally started off with cursing the Sahaaba, and has now led to accusing the Prophet PBUH of being a bad judge!

The Qur'aan was revealed to the Prophet PBUH, not to distress him(20:2)

Allah gave the Prophet PBUH, the seven oft repeated ayat and the Mighty Qur'aan.(15:87)

The Qur'aan is the speech of a noble Messenger.(69:40)

The Prophet PBUH followed the Qur'aan meticulously and thus his Sunnah is the correct interpretation of the Qur'aan.(6:50,7:2-3,10:15,46:9)

In all matters of disputes and differences, judgement should be based on the Qur'aan.(4:60-61,4:105,5:48-50)

Those who do not judge their matters by the Qur'aan are disbelievers, evildoers and transgressors.(5:44,5:45,5:47)

The Qur'aan was revealed to the Prophet PBUH so that he may bring forth mankind from the depths of darkness into the light of guidance.(14:1,65:11)

The fact is, that no mistake was ever made in choosing the Prophet PBUH as the final seal of Messengers and neither did the Prophet PBUH make any mistakes in choosing his companions.

Check the facts for yourself.

I rest my case.**
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Brother Sholay didn't Holy Prophet warned us that are going to be 73 sects of islam and out of them only one will go to heaven, why did he said, doesnt it tell he knew what is going to happen, Didnt he gave Wilayat to Hazrat Ali in Ghadeer-e-Khum, Doesnt the event of Jamal tell you, who disobeyed the Quran and ranged a war against Hazrat Ali."who was on haq and who was on batil"
Read my reply to the wasir post
How much Hazrat Ali loved the three companions.

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sholay ever heard of anything called "will of Allah"

Imam Hussain knew what was going to happen in Karbala..why did He go to karbala then? WILL OF ALLAH

insaaniyat made a good point..i hope u get it now

and brother zalim who gave u a right to have ur own prophet..eventhough Prophet Mohummad said there wont be any

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Brothers Insaaniyat and Sheraz

You have just proved my point. The Holy Prophet was hand picked by Allah SWTA and therefore was more than capable of knowing with Allah SWTA's permission, which companion would do what in the Prophets' absence. If the Holy Prophet PBUH can give us the signs before the day of Judgement etc, then surely identifying the power hungry was no big task. Please just ponder over this.

If the Prophet can give permission to the Hypocrites to not go to the expedition to Tabuk, as mentioned in the Qur'aan, then surely he would of given permission for his cousin and son in law Hazrat Ali to be the first caliph and noone to oppose. The Companions who are refered to in the Qur'aan are the True Believers , and would never of defied the Prophet PBUH's Order.

Furthermore, Hazrat Ali would never let the word of the Prophet PBUH's be ignored or disobeyed, as he knew that the Prophet was guided by Allah SWTA.

The meeting at Ghaider Khuum, was not a political appointment, it was a figure of speech and an acknowledgement of Hazrat Ali's merit. Similar to the one used For Bibi Maryam, when she is called the daughter of Haruun. We know that Bibi Maryam's father was not Haruun. He was a forefather, the brother of Hazrat Musa AS, but was from the same lineage. The lineage of Hazrat Ishaq AS.

Ther a lot of figures of speeches in the Hebrew and Arab language, which are only synonymous to these languages, due to the fact of them having 2 nouns. One for Numbers and one for Respect. If we were to translate each figure of speech for it's actual meaning, we would be very confused and get it wrong.

I'm not asking you to change your belief or way of life. All I'm saying is that neither of us can fill the shoes of the Companions, and therefore have no right to curse them. They sacrificed more than we will ever sacrifice.

How much love is showed for the remainder of the Prophet PBUH's wives and children? Furthermore, how much love is showed for the families of the other Prophets mentioned in the Qur'aan. They too were Messengers and have the right.

Like I said before, we need to go back to the source, which is the Qur'aan.

Allah SWTA himself is the Guardian of the Qur'aan.(15:9)