Shia Sunni Dialogue

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To answer this question that The Power of Ali (a.s) is like Allah?... I openly explain my believe that the power of Ali (a.s) is not like the power of Almighty rather it is granted to him by Allah Almighty and to come to know that how much of power He have i will quote a verse here....

Sura e Naml Ayat No 38-40

"He said (to his own men): "Ye chiefs! which of you can bring me her throne before they come to me in submission?"
Said an 'Ifrit, of the Jinns: "I will bring it to thee before thou rise from thy council: indeed I have full strength for the purpose, and may be trusted."
Said one who had Some Of the knowledge of the Book: "I will bring it to thee within the twinkling of an eye!" Then when (Solomon) saw it placed firmly before him, he said: "This is by the Grace of my Lord....."

Here a Chief of Hazrat Suleman have the power to bring something from Thousands Kilometers within less then a second then how much of Power Hazrat Ali may have....

And your other question was How Hazrat Ali a.s can be at several places at a time so my dear brother we Muslims do believe that Hazrat Izraeel (a.s) fetch our Souls from our Bodies.... And thousands people die at the same time at different places so how he manage it...... Now don say that Hazrat Izraeel is Angel and Hazrat Ali is Man because Man is superior then Angels......
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Brother ND,

iss moqam par kuch or khaas batai'n aisi hai'n jo keh qabil-e-ghor hai'n, jaisa keh....

mushahidah gawah hay keh jab koi sawali sawal karta hay to dainay wala sawali ko uss ki haisyat kay mutabiq ataa kar daita hay jab keh agar koi kisi ko apni marzi say kuch daina chahay to apni haisyat kay mutabiq daita hay....

Hazrat Suleman a.s., nay Allah paak say badshahat talab ki thi, zara ghor karai'n keh Allah paak nay kaisi badshahat ataa ki keh jinn-o-ins, charind, parind, darind, aabi makhlooqat, hashrat-ul-arz, hatta keh tamam makhlooqat par hakoomat ataa farmaa'e...

Hazrat Suleman a.s., kay darbario'n mai'n say aik shakhs (jo keh ham tum jaisa tha), jiss nay Allah Paak kay ataa kardah ilm ki badolat aik aisa kaam sar'anjam dia keh aaj ka jadeed tareen dour bhi yeh samajhnay say qaasir hay keh uss shakhs nay woh kaam kaisay kia.

Quran kehta hay keh Allah paak nay uss ko uss ka ilm ataa kia tha.

*Doosri jaanib Madina'tul Ilm, Rasool Allah s.a.w.a.w., yeh irshad farma rahay hai'n keh Ali a.s., Baab-e-Madina'tul Ilm hai'n, to andaza lgaya jaa sakta hay keh Sheher-e-Ilm mai'n mojood tamam uloom ka Baab-ul-Ilm say bhi ta'alluq hay. *

or aisay ilm ki hamil shakhsyat ki kiramat-o-ikhtiarat (jo keh yaqeenan Allah paak kay ataa kardah ilm ki badolat hai'n) ka ta'ayyun ya ahaatah ham tum mai'n say bhala kon kar sakta hay?

Hazrat Ali a.s., ki kiramat-o-faza'el say inkar bhala kis tarah mumkin hay? Quran ilm ki fazeelat bayan kar raha hay or Rasool Allah s.a.w.a.w., Ali a.s., ko Baab-e-Madina'tul-Ilm qarar day rahay hai'n.

*phir bhala yeh behes kia maani keh "ilm walay" kia kar saktay hai'n or kia nahee'n? *

woh yaqeenan woh sub kuch kar saktay hai'n jo sochnay or samajhnay ki salahiyat bhi ham tum mai'n nahee'n jaisa keh Hazrat Suleman a.s., kay darbari nay hazaro'n saal pehlay, aaj kay jadeed dour kay super sonic jahaaz say bhi ziada taiz raftar safar kar kay dikhaya.

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Behtar hai Daar ALI(A.S) ka ghulami k wastey
Sub Kuch hai Unh k pass sawali k wastey
Ghar par buland kejay ABBAS(A.S) ka Alaam
Jibrail(A.S) khud aye ga Salami k wastey

BUS YA HUSSAIN(A.S)

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Brother Icon... Sorry that due to several problems i couldnt concentrate on the topic but to give you reply and to not to break the topic first of all i appreciate that you check all the verses... You said that there is not any meaning of worship rather its command to worship but i would when got time in a day or two will analyze them to clear the meaning of worship from these verses...

Secondly You do know that Allah when created Hazrat Adam (a.s) ask all the angels to put down their heads in front of Adam............. The meaning of worship which i got from this is

"Worship is to Obey Allah's Commands"

So do tell me that asking for help is bad or putting head down is bad.... You may say that both are false but if Allah orders us to do us then it is right....

So what do you say about verse 34 of Sora e Maida in which Allah asks us to come in his court with Waseela........

And in Sora Asr Allah asks us to get help from Sabr and Salat.... Dont Sabr and Salat are other then Allah.....(it is not a question what they are the question is that not Sabr nor Salat are Allah)

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here is an excellent piece of research on Tawassul. Its got point of view of most of the schools of thought:

http://www.al-islam.org/mot/tawassul.htm

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thanks Ramesha..... Brothers please have a look on that page it will clear your view....

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I Guess questions/issues i have raised are water under the bridge... and ND is looking forward to some other things... if this is the case then i think from my side this thread is closed.

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Sorry Brother Hanibal i was collecting some material to answer your questions and meanwhile interfared in some other topics too so couldnt manage to answer your question.... I will try my level best to answer your reply by tomorrow... hope you will grant me time for this as u know that i am answering both you and Brother Icon and you both are looking into different aspects of the matter.....

I am sorry again for less concentration on this topic....

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Brother First of all sorry again for replying late...

Secondly You did mention that Food is not necessary for them but here i have a question that if food is not necessary then do you want to say that Allah Almighty want us to be a part of un necessary activity... And when Allah is saying again and again that in Heaven there would be foods, drinks etc etc for good souls....Could Almighty who never took any step without purpose would take such step....

Thridly regarding life after death we would get Heaven or Hell and in Heaven we would enjoy Allah's blessings while in Hell we would have to bear Allah's anger... Who would bear both things our body or our Soul... If you say that our body would get all this then you have earlier accepted that our Body is just a dress for soul so there is no fault of dress to get anything... If you say that Souls would get all those things then it means Souls are alive and can feel... Because you might have heard the Hadees

"Grave is either a garden of Heaven or Hole of Hell"

So if our soul can enjoy or get punishment it can only be effective if our soul is alive, and i do means alive as there is no logic in punishing the deadly souls.....

Lastly you mentioned good points about Salam... But brother there in Islam the words "Assalam o Alaikum" n "Salamun Alaikum" are two islamic salamz and the person who hear such salam whould have to answer it back... In our prayers every muslim send Salam to Prophet (PBUH) what do you say that Prophet is alive or not as if we are sending Salam then it should have to be replied and to reply it is necessary to have a mouth to speak So how Prophet reply us or our Salams remain un replied... If our Salams are un replied then it means we are doing a logicless activity....

Furthermore the point you mentioned that Allah is sending Salam i will talk about it later coz light is about to be off......

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Brother do look into my posts, i have already answered these issues, if u haven't understood them, do let me know which part and i'll try to explain it.