Tohfah Ya Ali a.s., Madad.
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**“Shia Sunni Dialogue” kay unwan say yeh thread zaroortan khol raha hoo’n. darkhoast yehee karoo’n ga har aik say keh jo baat bhi karai’n woh kisi hawalay kay sath or koi ilmi ya mantaqi baat karai’n,
sirf faisla sunanay walo’n say koi bhi “dialogue” mumkin nahee’n hay is liay woh agar takleef na hi karai’n to ziadah behtar or munasib ho ga.
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**Is thread kay maqasid:
dono’n yaani “shia or sunni” ko moqa faraham karna keh woh aik doosray kay aqeedo’n ko aik doosray ki hi zubani sun or samajh sakai’n.
bain-ul-masalak ghalat fehmio’n ko door karna.
Hasool-e-Ilm…
bain ul tarfai’n ilzamat par safaai ka moqa faraham karna.
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**aap tamam say guzarish hay keh aisay alfaz ka intakhab kar kay baat kijiay keh doosray ki dil aazari ka imkan na ho.
or behes baraay behes par mabni bato’n say guraiz karai’n kioo’n keh in say aaj tak kisi ko koi faiz nahee’n mila.
ummeed rakhta hoo’n keh shia or sunni hazraat kisi bhi baat ki takmeel say pehlay doosray sawalat kharay kar kay topic par say tawajjoh ko divert nahee’n karai’n gay.
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Allah paak ham sub ko hidayat ataa farmaay or hamai’n woh seedha raastah dikhla day keh jis par gaamzan rehtay hooay ham aakhirat mai’n shafa’at-e-Rasool Allah s.a.w.a.w., kay talab’garo’n ki qitar mai’n sawali ban kar kharay ho sakai’n. Elahi Ameen.
Assalam Alaikum Bhai 'NadeemZaidi' Sahib......................one can not bring down a "Big Old Tree" by simply grabbing hold of one leaf..........
Similarly one can not change the course of a "Mighty River" by simply dropping a few rocks in it................
I hope you understand..........:)
g bilkul aap ki baat waazeh or qabil-e-fehem hay or durust bhi.
yeh thread dono'n itraaf kay khaas tor par aisay kuch logo'n kay liay khola hay jin kay paas bila daleel bay shumar sawalat or phir un sawalat kay khud saakhtah jawabat ki aik lambi fehrist mojood hay. or woh un bato'n par kisi daleel ko bhi hatta keh quran kay khulay ahkamaat ko bhi radd kar dainay mai'n koi kasar nahee'n uthaa rakhtay.
or yeh sub kuch "ulama-e-soo" kay qabeel say kuch logo'n ki "parhi likhi jahalat" ka hi paish khema hay keh jin ki "tang nazari" or chikni shupri bato'n mai'n aa kar "tehqeeq say aari" musalman khilaf-e-mansha-e-Allah-o-Rasool s.a.w.a.w., aamaal ko zindagi ka orhna bichona bana laitay hai'n or iss gumrahi ko woh apni danist mai'n "deen-e-haq" ka naam bhi daitay hai'n or is kay sath sath "2 rakat kay mulla g" kay beh'kaway mai'n aa kar kisi kay liay bhi kufr ka fatwa apni zaban par tayyar rakhtay hai'n.
*SindSagar brother, mai'n ittefaq karta hoo'n aap ki baat say keh *
"one can not......"
laikin agar Allah or us kay kalam ki taaeed aap kay sath ho to phir bhi kia aap "one" ki is'talah hi istamal karai'n gay? :)
or jo bhi yeh samajhta hay keh us kay amaal ko kitab-e-Ilahi ki taaeed hasil hay or doosro'n ko woh gumrahi mai'n paata hay to aisay tamam hazrat say guzarish karoo'n ga keh woh mukammal hawalay kay sath apni baat ko sub par paish karai'n takeh gumraho'n ki rahnumaee ho sakay.
Fidvi ka eeman hay keh agar aap ki haq baat say koi aik bhi hidayat paa gaya to yaqeenan jannat aap hi kay liay to hay.....
chor peecha is topic
dono bas bhai heen. period!!!
brother knockout_artist, yeh dono'n bhai bhai hai'n is liay hi to chahta hoo'n keh aakhirat mai'n dono'n "yak'jaa" ho jae'n.
ab aik bhai jannat mai'n ho to doosra jahannum mai'n achcha to nahee'n lagay ga na.........
i doubt there will be more than 1 or 2 who will bother reading your long posts in urdu. if you want to communicate with people here, start writing in english.
i doubt there will be more than 1 or 2 who will bother reading your long posts in urdu. if you want to communicate with people here, start writing in english.
agar aap kay signature mai'n mojood message yaani
Har rooz kisi shehar maiN hotey haiN dhamakey
Rehti hei merey dais maiN shab raat musalsal
logo'n tak pohonch raha hay to fidvi ki guzarishat bhi logo'n tak pohonch hi jae'n gi.....
its after a really long time that i have read "fidvi", we often used to joke about it in college days, ejoyed it.
Frankly, its fine to read a few lines of urdu written in Roman but moe than that is very difficult. Too hard on one's eyes. May you can use the urdu font, GS enables urdu font and then its easy to read.
If i am not forgetting this is my first thread in this forum and ohh i thinks its best to start with such a thread.
Zaidi Bhai i think Religion is problem of all and i hope that all fellows being Muslim would participate in this dialogue as the need for such a dialogue is more then ever..
Fellows! look the europeans, americans, jews, hindus all want us to be sunk in deep sea so that there may not be any Love of Allah, Prophet, Ahlebeyt and Sahaba..... And we the followers of all above quoted cant afford that our enemies do attack us... Today the most dangerous poison in the hands of our enemies is our Believe... They want to demoralize us by attacking on our values and we are not even noticing it.
Zaidi bhai start the topic and we will try to fill the gap between each other and would try to understand the believe to be united! Insha Allah
May Allah help all of us to be successful on the Day of Judgement!**
i doubt there will be more than 1 or 2 who will bother reading your long posts in urdu. if you want to communicate with people here, start writing in english.
I have to agree. I am also having difficulty reading "urdu in english". I would also request Br. Zaidi to use english as the medium of communication, please.
Frankly, its fine to read a few lines of urdu written in Roman but moe than that is very difficult. Too hard on one's eyes. May you can use the urdu font, GS enables urdu font and then its easy to read.
no doubt that reading urdu in urdu font is very easy and simple....
but enjoying such type of simple urdu in urdu font requires only "writing in urdu"....
What is "GS" and how "GS" enables the urdu font?
please guide me in briefe, fidvi aap ka bhi mash'koor rahay ga ;)
If i am not forgetting this is my first thread in this forum and ohh i thinks its best to start with such a thread.
*Zaidi Bhai i think Religion is problem of all and i hope that all fellows being Muslim would participate in this dialogue as the need for such a dialogue is more then ever.. *
*Fellows! look the europeans, americans, jews, hindus all want us to be sunk in deep sea so that there may not be any Love of Allah, Prophet, Ahlebeyt and Sahaba..... And we the followers of all above quoted cant afford that our enemies do attack us... Today the most dangerous poison in the hands of our enemies is our Believe... They want to demoralize us by attacking on our values and we are not even noticing it. *
Zaidi bhai start the topic and we will try to fill the gap between each other and would try to understand the believe to be united! Insha Allah
May Allah help all of us to be successful on the Day of Judgement!
Alaikassalam wr, wb.
*Most well come on paklinks. *
I will appreciate that you are watching the behaviour of others who are just trying to demoralize us and no doubt that we all are just sleeping and don't know that how "others" are attacking our values.
what do you want to discuss ...sahaba? tahreef in Quran? origins of imamate ? civil wars?
what sect or subsect /mahab do you belong to
well come Das Reich,
jo aap discuss karna chaho, step by step woh sub kuch hi discuss kar lai'n gay, takeh kam az kam ham 2 kay darmiaan agar koi "ghalat fehmi" ki deewar mojood hay to uss ko giraya jaa sakay.
rahi baat mairay sect., subsect ya mazhab ki to aap khud bata do keh aisay ko kia kehtay hai'n jo
*** eeman rakhta ho keh Rabb-e-Mohammad s.a.w.a.w., hi "wahdahoo laa shareek" hay.**
*** Rasool Allah s.a.w.a.w., Allah kay Aakhri Nabi hai'n.**
*** Quran Allah ki Ilhami kitab hay or Allah kay deen ki tak'meel Quran ki Takmeel kay saath hi Rasool Allah s.a.w.a.w., par hoo'e.**
*** Rasool Allah s.a.w.a.w., ki hayat-e-mubarikah, Quran ka hi amali namoona hay, yaani Quran or Rasool Allah s.a.w.a.w., ki sunnat mai'n koi tazad mumkin nahee'n.**
ab aap khud farmaa dijiay keh iss eeman kay hamil ko aap kiss sect/sub sect/mazhab mai'n shumar kartay hai'n?
Brotheran i thinks that prerequisite to start such a dialogue have been completed and now its time to start dialogue and all the participants should take oath that they will not take this dialogue in personal and would try to learn the reallity not to prove them best and would accept the facts...
I claim myself that i am "Son of Logic" if you can give better reason to accept the believe other than i have then i will accept the logic you will present in the light of Holy Quran and Sunnat e Nabai (PBUH)....
So Zaidi bhai either you or any one else could start a topic and we all will try to search out which one is right and then to accept it!
**Okay Friends so the first topic on which we are having dialogue is "Whether Saying Ya Ali and asking for Help from Hazrat Ali is Correct or Not" And "When it started to ask for help from Hazrat Ali"
Is all brothers of Islam agree on the title of the dialogue then please confirm so that negotiation may start...
We will try to accept or appose it in the light of Quran and Sunnah Insha Allah......**
^ to add to that , when did shias started saying "ya Ali" can Mr zaidi comment on that
dear Iconoclast and Das Reich aap dono'n ka bohat bohat shukria keh aap nay dialogue ko start karnay kay liay topic ka intakhab kia hay.
iss say pehlay keh dialogue ko start kia jaay mai'n NetDevil kay words ko quote karna chahoo'n ga keh
all the participants should take oath that they will not take this dialogue in personal and would try to learn the reallity not to prove them best and would accept the facts...
agar aap logo'n kay nazdeek "oath" kay yeh alfaz durust hai'n or aap kay liay qabil-e-qabool bhi to aik martabah iss baat ko confirm kar dai'n takeh dialogue mai'n shamil honay kay liay iss "oath" ko sub kay liay laazmi bhi qarar dia jaa sakay or koi bhi topic kisi ki bhi "anaa" ya "zidd" ki bhaint charhnay say bhi bacha rahay.
I take the oath.
But to add to this i must say i do nto always have time to respond.
Second what ever you write should be your own and should be brief and to the point. Long copy pastes are too difficult to read and answer.