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Originally posted by Topee Wala:
*What is the shia believe in calling someone non-muslims. Some sunnis (the ignorant ones) go ahead and call everyond else non-muslims and most I know believe that ONLY ALLAH decides who is Muslim and who is not. So For sunnis were the first 3 Khalifas Muslims. Were they traitors? What were they? I have heard wierd roumers about how some shias dis-respect Umer,AbuBakar and Uthman. But on the other hand they were only roumers.
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These rumours are unfounded. Sure they committed some attrocities towards the Ahlul Bait, but we should not go around branding people muslims or non - muslims.

Who is a muslim? What is the definition of a muslim? How do you enter into Islam?
La-illaha Illallah - Mohammadurrasoolullah

Anyone who says that enters the religion of Islam, and hence is a muslim. We as muslims have no right to go around issuing fatwas against every sect. Instead we should open our minds and see if what they say makes sense. 

Shah-e-Mardan Sher-e-Yazdan,
Quwwat-e-Parwardigar,
Lafatah illa ALI,
La Saif ila Zulfiqar
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Salam,

Here is the answer:
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Q. Why do Shias hit their chests in Muharram?
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A. The hitting of the chest in Muharram symbolizes a Muslim’s grief towards the martyrdom of Imam Hussain that resulted in a very bloody and tragic war between good and evil. Imam Hussain didn’t die a normal death but was part of a massacre in the name of Allah that resulted in the death of 110 innocent children and many of the women that were women. With 72 loyal companions he faced Yazeed’s 40,000 army. This isn’t a tragedy that just passes and is forgotten this easily. If a person for example lost a father, he or she would hit her chest or head in grief, this is what Shias do over the death of Imam Hussain.
This act also helps to keep Imam Hussain’s cause alive in the hearts of Muslims all around the world. If we stopped crying over Imam Hussain, he would disappear like many other big figures in history.

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Q. Isn’t it haram to beat yourself because of a person?
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A. First of all, Imam Hussain isn’t a normal person and is considered higher than others according to the Quran (Innemah yoreed Allah li yoth-hib ankom alrijs ahl albait weh yotehhirekom tatheerah) and therefore he is given higher respect.
If you do something that conflicts damage upon yourself, then it is haram. Therefore, if beating yourself in Muharram results in your death or catching a disease then it is haram. However, both these arguments are irrelevant because they cannot possibly occur when a person simply beats his chest.

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Q. Why do Shias cry over a person that died 1400 years ago?
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A. It is not haram to cry over a person as great as the grandson of the Prophet. You might, however, ask why we cry over him after 1400 years of his tragic death! Our crying not only helps to keep Imam Hussain’s cause alive in the hearts of Muslims all around the world, but also makes you feel closer to Allah. It is only when your heart is soft and absorbable that you feel the sense of closeness to Allah. You might ask why then don’t you cry over the Prophet’s death who has a higher rank than Imam Hussain. Well, the answer is that it is the way Imam Hussain was killed that makes us sad and full of grief not just the death itself. Our Imam was now only killed, but cut to pieces and the heads of his companions were all placed on long spears…

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Q. Why do Shias call ‘Ya Hussain’ in Muharram instead of ‘Ya Allah’?
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A. Why do you go to the doctor? Shouldn’t you juts raise your hands to the sky and say ‘Ya Allah cure me’? Of course not. The world we live in is a world of cause and effect. It is best to always ask help from Allah, but that alone isn’t enough because we must take advantage of the help we have on Earth.
When we say Ya Hussain or Ya Ali we want help from them with the permission of Allah and as you already know, anything is possible with the permission of Allah. We do not ask help directly from Imams and Prophets who are slaves of Allah, however we ask them to help us resolve our problem by telling the Almighty of it.

For example, if you want a new job at a company and straight away go to the general manager you don’t have a likely chance to get the job. However, if you are recommended by another manager of the company, who have a much better chance at getting the job.

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Q. Is it true that Shias beat themselves in Muharram because they are regretful that they killed Imam Hussain?
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A. A very well spread rumor that is absolutely wrong and is targeted at destructing the Shia faith and mocking their acts in Muharram. You might laugh at what goes on in Muharram, but remember, many foreigners also laugh at what we do in Hajj and how we circle around a black square building.
http://al-imam.net/qandamuh.htm

Wassalam,
Sajid

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Excellent reply!

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Shah-e-Mardan Sher-e-Yazdan,
Quwwat-e-Parwardigar,
Lafatah illa ALI,
La Saif ila Zulfiqar
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U bet

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Like your screen name brother. Just keep waiting, ** the leader** of this **Lashkar-e-Abbas (a.s) ** is coming soon!!!

Ya Imam-e-zaman (a.s) Adrikni
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Labbaik !

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lets dig into that analogy sajad54 used.

we go to a doctor cuz hes LIVING and can help. if you don't see the obvious error in your logic, there is no point to talk about this.

With 72 loyal companions he faced Yazeed's 40,000 army.

its obvious he wasn't going for a war. you don't take your family along if you're planning on that..

*If we stopped crying over Imam Hussain, he would disappear like many other big figures in history.
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you can't seriously believe that..

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[quote]
Originally posted by nomaan:
**lets dig into that analogy sajad54 used.

we go to a doctor cuz hes LIVING and can help. if you don't see the obvious error in your logic, there is no point to talk about this.

With 72 loyal companions he faced Yazeed's 40,000 army.

its obvious he wasn't going for a war. you don't take your family along if you're planning on that..

*If we stopped crying over Imam Hussain, he would disappear like many other big figures in history.
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you can't seriously believe that..**
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Well Mr. Noman,

1)Imam Hussein (a.s) is still alive because he is shaheed and shaheed never dies, guess its clear!

2)Offcourse Imam Hussein (a.s)'s intend was not war but he was also not willing to scarifice the principles of Islam against oppresor (yazid)'s ugly wishes.

3)When I said Imam Hussein would disappear, I did not mean "him", meant if there is no majlis, then people would not know what happened in Karbala and the impacts of that tragedy in our lives today. Karbala teaches us a lesson of not bowing to oppresor (whether its non muslim oppressor like the Americans or the munafiq cowards/opressors like Saudi Arabia / Iraq), We, the followers of Imam Hussein (a.s) ** WILL NOT BOW TO THEM**

wo aik sajda jisay tu giran samajhta hay
hazara sajdon say daita hay aadmee ko nijat

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Karbala was a clash involving Islamic truths versus falsehood, right versus wrong, belief versus disbelief, the oppressed versus the oppressor, faith against brute force. Karbala was about standing in the face of oppression, regardless no matter the cost.
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This is our message to the world today and tomorrow!!!!!!!!!!

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Karbala was a clash involving Islamic truths versus falsehood, right versus wrong, belief versus disbelief, the oppressed versus the oppressor, faith against brute force. Karbala was about standing in the face of oppression, regardless no matter the cost

you mean what the prophet Muhammed(pbuh)had to face throughout his life.

another shair

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Salam,
Sheraz what did you say about me being with the munafiq. Does it not say in the Holy Quran that you can not do sog(crying and stuff) after 2 or 3 days except if it a husband then the wife is allowed to do it for a month. Hazarat Hussain's status was not higher than the prophet Muhammad(pbuh)
so why is'nt there there a matam for him he was the best man ever. There are bettetr ways for matam then beating yourself.Do the shia's/sunnis do a thing where they feed people after there loved one has died every year on that day or something i am not sure i just heard of it. Also What do you people think about Ahmadiyyat?

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nargis i really dont get it..didnt u read a1shahs' reply? u are asking me the same thing again..please go and read it again..honestly its useless..you wont get it..so i am not even gonna bother ..as for ahmediyat, i believe Prophet Mohummad is the last and best Prophet

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[quote]
Originally posted by Lashkar-e-Abbas:
** The Qur'an has not been changed. As a matter of fact, Qur'an is a living miracle. Qur'an can never be changed, that is a central belief of Islam.
I think what you are talking about is, the order the verses are arranged in. Hazrat Ali compiled the Qur'an according to the date of revelation. The Qur'an that we have now is in a different order. It doesnot change the content. Just the arrangement. It's like reading Surah AlHamd in the 30th Chapter.

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Lashkare Abbas; What do you think about the following reference?

The Beliefs of the Shi'ites about the Present Quran

Allah says in Surah Ale Imraan (32):

"Certainly Allah has chosen Adam, Noah, the family of Abraham and the family of Imraan above the (families of the) worlds."

**Allamah Ali ibn Ibrahim AI-Qummi - one of the early Shi'ite commentators of the Quran said concerning this verse:

'The Imam said: 'The words: "The family of Muhammed" were also revealed along with "the family of Ale Imraan." They (referring to the Companions of the Prophet S.A.W.) removed the words "The family of Muhammad" from the original text (Al-Qummi's commentary:308). The allegation of removing the words preempts any possibility of abrogation. It is clear that the commentary is accusing the Companions of the Prophet (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) of distorting the Quran.**

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Allah says in Surah Taha (115):

"And We had given Adam an order before, but he forgot and We did not find any resolve in him (to disobey the order)."

**Imam Ja'far is reported to have said that Allah had revealed this verse with the following words:

"We had ordered Adam before with some words about Muhammad, Ali, Fatima, Hassan, Hussain and the Imams from their offspring but he (Adam) forgot." Ja'far said: 'By Allah, these were the words which were revealed to Muhammad.' (Usul Kafi: 1:416 and the footnotes of Maqbool's translation: 637)**

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The word Ya'siroon in the present Quran is in the active voice. According to this commentary it should have been read in the passive voice as Yu'saroon to alter the meaning. In the footnotes to the translation of Maqbool, it is written that this word (Ya'siroon) was changed from the passive voice to the active to suit the fancies of wine-loving khulafa (rulers). (Maqbool's translation: 479)

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Allah says in Surah Muhammad (9):

"That is because they resented what Allah revealed, so Allah in turn cancelled their deeds." AI-Qummi has stated that Imam Muhammad Baqir said that Jibreel had transmitted this verse as: 'That is because they resented what Allah revealed about Ali.' But then the apostates removed Ali's name (from the Quran). (Ibid: 1011)

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Abu Mansur Ahmed Tibrisi, a prominent Shi'ite scholar of the 8th century (H), has written:

'Enumerating the distortions and omissions of this sort (from the present Quran) would become laborious and it will disclose what Taqiyyah (Shi'ite practice to conceal the 'truth' for religious purposes) requires me not to disclose: the good qualities of Allah's friends and the vices of His enemies. (AI-Ihtijaj by Tibrisi: 1:254)

Mullah Muhsin Kashani, an 11th century Shi'ite scholar comments on the above quoted statement:

'It is clear from all of these traditions and quotations from the Family of the Prophet (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) that the present Quran is not the complete Quran which was revealed to the Prophet (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam). In fact, there are verses that contradict that which was revealed; verses that have been distorted and places where omissions have been made such as the names of Ali, the Family of Muhammad (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) and, on several occasions, there were the names of the hypocrites. Moreover, the present order of the Quran is not according to the preferred order of Allah and His Messenger. Ali ibn Ibrahim (a renowned commentator) also holds this opinion.' (Tafseer of Saafi: l:32)

[This message has been edited by analyze it (edited March 29, 2001).]

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[quote]
Originally posted by nomaan:
**lets dig into that analogy sajad54 used.

we go to a doctor cuz hes LIVING and can help. if you don't see the obvious error in your logic, there is no point to talk about this.

With 72 loyal companions he faced Yazeed's 40,000 army.

its obvious he wasn't going for a war. you don't take your family along if you're planning on that..

*If we stopped crying over Imam Hussain, he would disappear like many other big figures in history.
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you can't seriously believe that..**
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Bro Nomaan, if you consider logic, the whole shiaism defies logic, so while arguing about shiaism, be a lil illogical to understand their logic.

thanx

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[quote]
Originally posted by DonJuan DeMarco:
** Bro Nomaan, if you consider logic, the whole shiaism defies logic, so while arguing about shiaism, be a lil illogical to understand their logic.

thanx**
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Look who is talking about "logics".
Shut your "raam kahani" up....will ya?

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DonJuan DeMarco:

you just might have a point.

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someone said that shias believe that they should only do sajdaa on earthy stuff. like leaves, dirt…

so does that mean the namaaz at the kaaba is out of the question and all the mulims praying there are just wasting time?

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Assalaamu Alaikum,

Respected Shia brothers, I want to know when exactly Shiaism started. I mean during the time of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) there were only one kind of Muslims. So did it started right after the death of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) and this group widely recognized after the incident of Karbala?
Thanks.

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Sorry Sheraz I do not understand what you are trying to tell me ....why did you say that I am helping the munafiq's ..i did read the reply...its alright agar nahi samjhana chahta to na samjha
may god bless you

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nargis what exactly you dont understand? you know Imam Hussains sister Zainab did matam for her brother, now please dont tell me you know more religion then the daughter of Imam Ali

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[quote]
Originally posted by K-2:
**Assalaamu Alaikum,

Respected Shia brothers, I want to know when exactly Shiaism started. I mean during the time of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) there were only one kind of Muslims. So did it started right after the death of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) and this group widely recognized after the incident of Karbala?
Thanks.**
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shia means follower..we like to follow Imam Ali after the death of Prophet..not some khilafat hungry khalifas'

we like to follow Imam Ali, who won every battle for Islam, who slept at Prophets bed so Prophet can migrate to Madina..but we dont follow a coward who was crying out of fear even when Prophet said not to worry God is with us

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[quote]
Originally posted by Sheraz CT:
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shia means follower..we like to follow Imam Ali after the death of Prophet..not some khilafat hungry khalifas'

we like to follow Imam Ali, who won every battle for Islam, who slept at Prophets bed so Prophet can migrate to Madina..but we dont follow a coward who was crying out of fear even when Prophet said not to worry God is with us**
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Did Prophet Mohammed (saw) or Ali (ra) tell his followers to disrespect the best of the best people in the world. If it was not for Abu Bakar, we would not be Muslims today. If it was not for Umer Muslims would not have the strength today.

Why is that Ali did not complain about Abu Bakar and Umer? Y is it that his supposed follwers complain so much. Ali was a man. A man equal to all other men except for his piety and his greateness as a Muslim. Ali (ra) was no greater then Human. Mohammed (saw) was a human. All prophets are Human. Calling them humans is not an Insult. If Ali was the chosen leader then why did he give up his seat to Muawia? I mean the command of the prophet Mohamemd (saw) is more important then anything else. Why is that Sihas only complin now when Ali the greatest of all men after only the prophets did not complain or tired to take the power from Abu Bakar or Umer? You might say that he was not power hungry! But is not obeying the order of Rasool Allah Mohammed (saw) more important then anything else.

I thereby conclude that if Ali thought that there was a need to take power he would have done. And becuase he was closest to the Prophet Mohammed (saw) and he did not see the need to take power there was no order for Ali to be the leader. If there was then Ali (ra) whould be the first one to implement it since he was the best and no one can think of him dis-obeying the order of Rasool Allah (saw).

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Brother shia’s are muslims since Holy Prophet spreaded Islam and belief in Imamat of Hazrat Ali as Prophet told us to follow at ghadeer-e-khum
http://www.al-islam.org/ghadir/incident.htm