Bismillah,
I wanted to ask my shia friends out here if They believe in the Quran. The present “Version” ,as they say, of it. I am not asking if they believe in its completeness or not. but Do you people think that the present Othmanic version of the Quran is without error?
Allah Hafiz
Oh yeah i heard that Shias hv 40 siparas is it true? just curious
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No this is not true. We have 30 siparas just like anyone else. And we do believe in the current version of the Quran although there canbe differences on Tafsir of Quran as we take this from the Ahl-ul-Bayt whereas you guys take it from whoever thinks they know a thing or two. Imam Ali (AS) said:
“Where are those who falsely and unjustly claimed that they are deeply versed in knowledge, as against us, although Allah raised us in position and kept them down, bestowed upon us knowledge but deprived them, and entered us (in the fortress of knowledge) but kept them out. With us guidance is to be sought and blindness (of misguidance) is to be changed into brightness. Surely Imams (divine leaders) will be from the Quraysh. They have been planted in this line through Hashim. It would not suit others nor would others be suitable as heads of affairs.” [Sermon 143]
[Source: Nahjul Balagha, translated by Syed Ali Raza]
One who takes lessons from the events of life, gets vision, one who acquires vision becomes wise and one who attains wisdom achieves knowledge.
Well yeah they do know a thing or two so we try to get that
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All The Fabricator forgot to add here was “And Worship Me Too”
Astaghfirullah, Such lies.
I had downloaded and started reading the Nahjul Balagha as you had given the web address Lamboo but now i dont intend to. i know its all gonna be fabricated stuff.
Lamboo read my post under "Asking Hazrat Ali(RA)
Allah Hafiz
Talibans are wahabis. Their origin starts from Ibn-saud and Abdul-wahab. Both these guys were destroyers of Islam and Islamic heritage in Makkah and Madinah. They massacared muslims in Makkah and Madinah during 1800 and again in 1924. Now their heirs are trying to destroy Islam and trying to give it a bad name by encouraging Talibans.
Check these links:
http://eurasianews.com/disc/_disc1/00000002.htm
http://www.al-islam.org/shrines/baqi.htm
Wassalm,
Muslim786.
Salam-a-lekum brothers and sisters,
It is very unfortunate that we muslims are divided. I am a follower of Sunnah and believe that the "Wahabi" sect has distorted the image of Islam all over the world. I am a Hanafi sunni but I have a bunch of friends from other sects. We all eat and talk together. Those people ( maliki, shafae, shias, sufis) are all nice people. "Wahabis" are the extremist of all and their problem is that they dont listen. They do not have a good tolerant behaviour. The Talibans in Afghanistan are a brutal example of this behaviour. The Talibans (Wahabis) do not allow women to get education, they kill people without giving them a chance to prove innocence.
One thing I do not understand is that "The talibanis (wahabis) who cannot control their own temper, how would they control (govern) a government. The taliban (wahabis) are brutal like animals.
We (hanafis, shafae, hanbali,shias, and sufis) had been living together for a long period of time with full harmony. Though we had some differences but we all believe in One Allah, His messenger (Prophet Mohammed s.a.w) and quran. It is the terrible fitna of Wahabiism that has destroyed the unity of Muslims, therefore Wahabis are the enmies of Islam and Muslims.
Allah-o-akbar!
Labbaik Ya-Rasoolallah (s.a.w).
I am a follower of sunnah (hanafi) and i think paying tributes to Prophet Mohammed s.a.w. is correct. Therefore, whenevr i go to medina i say assalam-o-alekum ya rasoolallah because it is in accordance with the verse of quran about "saying salam to Prophet Mohammed (s.a.w) and his family".
It is not worshipping him or anything.
Here is a very clear logic:
"A scholar from Egypt came to Saudi Arabia and presented King Fahad the Holy Quran wrapped in a LEATHER CASE. King Fahad kissed the leather case in which the Quran was wrapped. The Egyptian scholar from Jama-Al-Azhar then asked Fahad : Why did u kiss the leather caes, its made up of animal skin which is najis (dirty). The King replied: Well I intended to kiss the QURAN INSIDE the leather caes. The Egyptian scholar replied: I feel sorry for you Oh King Fahad because you Wahabis have double-standards. If you can KISS the leather case while focussing on the Holy Quran inside, Why do u object us when we try to KISS the grave of QURAN'S SAVIOUR( Prophet Mohammed s.a.w.). The weirdo King Fahad had no answer."
As long as a person follows the 5 basic tenants of Islam, s/he is a muslim and all the rest of the arguments are a waste of time since the ultimate judge is Allah(SWT).
Please dont waste your time and energies into this topic.
Zman,
Exposing the enemies of Islam or the Wahabis is not a "Waste of Time" as you put it!
Have you given Baya'h to their Ibn Tamiyyah?
Readers:
Have you ever wondered why they want the muslims not to focus on the memory of the prophet(saw)? Yet, they have no issues with propagating the memories & teachings of their Ibn Tamiyyah!
Have you ever wondered why these wahabis call themselves Hanbalis when they are actually followers of Ibn Tamiyyah? Do you know that the teachings of Imam Hanbali has been diluted & superimposed by the teachings of Ibn Tamiyyah?
Just a few pointers! The list of their fitna goes on & on!
Exposing !!!!!
Take a chill pill faceup. Why do you always have to fight all the time. You have a lot of venom in you, so spit it out and do what Allah (SWT) has ordered us all to do. Again, like I said, Allah will expose all wrong doers on the day of judgement - Ameen.
To me all the crap about Shia V Sunni, Sunni V whoever ans Shia V whomever, is useless contemplation and finger-pointing and a huge waste of time. This is the cause of our social and cultural demise be it Shia, Sunni, Hanafi etc. You are a perfect example of what not to do, so stay away from all this cause it aint gonna do you any good, hombre. These are my last words to you on this thread, now whether you realize anything from it or not is not going to be my concern. thats all I have to say.
Zman,
What is the pay-rate for taking the baya'h of the Wahabiyya? How much did they pay you?
You do not have any problems attacking shia, ahmedia belief or for that matter the belief of non-muslims; but EXPOSE these wahabis and our dear zman becomes an ambassador of peace & love. That pay-rate must be high!
Good Luck!
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Salam again,
Faceup I agree, the pay rate for spreading Wahabiism is very high because they do not get paid in Pak Rupees. These wahabis get paid in Saudi Riyals. I am a witness because I live in Saudi Arabia.
Wassalam,
Muslim786
Allah said "Quran ki hifazat Allah karay ga""""
but shias tried to change the wording of Quran but Alhamdullilah they can't...
Shias has different Kalimah, different Azaan, different way of wazooo. and they think the "IMAMs" are made of Nooor...well no one except Farishtay made by NOoooor.....
Seher....
Shias said that last 10 Paras of quran was eaten by Hazrat Usman's sheeep.......so they think quran is not completed......this can instead of Quran they folllow what there Imam syas
Maxxi
And, what do you follow - the Tabloid & Scandalous Sunnah approved by Ibn Tamiyyah!
Maxim boy,
How old are u? I guess quite young. Go ask somebody who is old enough about Islamic history. I am ahle-sunnah wal-jamaá (hanafi) muslim but I have a bunch of maliki, shafae, hanbali, shia, sufi and maliki friends. I know shias very well too. Shias have beliefs that are very close to us (ahle-sunnah wal-jamaaá). Shias believe in giving respect to Rasool-Allah ( s.a.w) and his companions (r.a). I am a graduate student of Jama-Al-Azhar and have studied shia faith in depth. I am 50 years old and a Hafiz.
Shia Muslims respect the companions of Rasool-Allah. A witness is the shia book "ain-ul-hayat" by their scholar Allama baqar majlisi that praises Hazrat Salman Farsi, Hazrat Bilal and Hazrat Abu Zar (r.a) for their deeds.
There is a clear fatwa by Mullah Saltut of Jama-Al-Azhar about "SHIAS BEING MUSLIMS". The fatwa clearly talks about giving them respect, eating with them, having marriages with them, and considering them Muslims.
Wassalam,
Muslim786
Maxxi Boy says:
"Shias has different Kalimah, different Azaan, different way of wazooo. and they think the "IMAMs" are made of Nooor...well no one except Farishtay made by NOoooor..... "
Q1) Isn't the Sunni Kalima, Sunni Azaan, Sunni Wad'u different? What is the basis of your comparision?
Q2) Are the practise of the sunni faith uniform amongst Hanafi, Shaefi, Maliki, Hanbali?
Q3) Do you believe in the concept of Noor-e-Muhammedi?
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Originally posted by Muslim786:
I know shias very well too. Shias have beliefs that are very close to us (ahle-sunnah wal-jamaaá). Shias believe in giving respect to Rasool-Allah ( s.a.w) and his companions (r.a).
Dear Muslim 786,
I respect that you are old enough to be my father and are a hafiz who is speaking from knowledge and experience. My grandfather was a hafiz and i also received a great deal of religious instruction from him.....please realise i also speak from my experience.
You consider shia's to be Muslim, you believe them to respect the Prophet's(PBUH) Companions...have you read other posts on this forum on which Shia's have maligned Hazret Aisha, Omar and Abu Bakr (RA) ?
I have had the misfortune of attending a shia moharram majlis where i heard these Sahaba whom we respect so much, disrespected with unspeakable words.
Do you know in Pakistan Shi'ite's refused to and are therefore not required to pay Zakat on their bank accounts and savings? This is a pillar of our faith yet they disregard it.They practice 'Muta' and relish self-harming themselves on Moharram.
They consider their twelve imams to be greater than the Prophets(PBUT) just some of many differences.
I know on the Sub-continents Shia and Sunni rarely inter-marry and actively oppose each other.
In this context i dont see any hope for any kind of Muslim brotherhood or unity.I dont even want to consider such heretics, fellow muslims. They are no better than the Ahmadi, or Ismaili's or Druze.
Salaam
Aafreen.
Aafreen if I request you cut it out , Quran says the rightuous will be announced at the day of judgement ,I don't understand why every sect try to prove the rest of sects be wrong and there sect to be the rightuous which will be announced Hereafter.
Brother Inquilab,
Very mighty & honourable of you to plead with the wahabis. How can you tell that Aafreen and Maxximboy are not the same person?
I guess you plead innocence to the hard fact that the wahabis are the main cause of the shia-sunni conflict in Pakistan. Tell me which group do the SSP belongs to?
The group which has close ties with the Wahabiyyas.
The bottom line is:
1)DEfine your relationship with the Wahabis!
2)If they are 'brothers' to you then you are not Ahl as Sunnah! Because the instruction of Ahl as Sunnah Jamaat re: wahabis is very clear!