Shia And Sunni Muslims

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So you didnt have courage to reply back to me about the statements of your sahaba about tahreef in Quran!

Anyways, If you want me to believe the statements you had cited by the Sunni schoolars about the completeness of Quran without the doubt them doing munafiqat then there are number of great Shia scholars too who clearly testified for the completeness of Quran, let me cite some of them ( and, yes even 1000 x 1000 dawa dils are not equal to the mud sticking to the feet of the following since they never accepted or praised Nasibi and Khariji people in their books :P ).

Sheikh Saduq (rah) presents the following arguments to prove the correctness of Quran

“The narrations that have been revealed about the blessings (Thawab) for the recitation of the whole of the Quran, the narrations about the permissibility of reciting two Surahs in the single Rakah of non-obligatory (Nafl) Prayers, and the ones about the impermissibility of reciting two Surahs in a single Rakah of Obligatory prayers certify our claim that the Quran is the same that the people have in their hands at the moment, and the narrations that the whole of the Quran shouldn’t be recited in a single night, and narrations about not reciting the whole of the Quran in less than three days verify our claim.”
1. Ei’tidaqaat Sheikh-e-Saduq, page 93

The Belief of Muhammad bin Muhammad ibn Numan Baghdadi –Sheikh Al Mufid (d. 413 AH)

The teacher of Syed Murtadha Ilm-ul-Huda, and the great Shia Aalim, Sheikh Mufid (rah) says:
“There are no flaws of words, verses, or Surahs in the present Quran.”
Tafseer A’la al-Rehman, page 17

Sheikh al Mufid (rah) further says:
“Verily what is between the two covers of the Quran, the whole is of Allah's words and revelation, there is nothing from the words of mankind in it and it whole of it is the revelation of Allah”
1. Mirat ul-Uqool, Volume 1, page 171.
2. al-Mesael al-Surweya, page 78

Belief of Sheikh Muhammad bin Hasan Abu Jafar Tusi known as Shiekh al Taifa (d. 460 AH)

“Sheikh al Tusi (rah) in his book al-Tibyaan says that raising questions about the tehrif of Quran is not appropriate, because as far as the question of anything being added to the Quran is concerned, there is a complete consensus that no such thing has happened, and about anything being subtracted from it, apparently the belief of all the Muslims is that this hasn’t occurred aswell, and same is the “Sahih” statement especially in our religion, and it has been backed by Allamah Syed Murtadha [rah] and same is proven from the Ahadith. No doubt in both Shias and Sunnis some single chain narrations have certainly come which can neither suffice for knowledge, nor can they be acted upon, therefore it is better to discard those.
1. Tafseer-e-Safi, page 36.
2. Tafseer al-A’la al-Rehman, page 17
3. Al Bayan fi Tafsir al Quran, Volume 1 page 3

Belief of Fazl bin Hassan known as Shaykh Tabrisi (d 548)

The author of Tafseer-e-Majma’ ul-Bayan, Allamah Ali bin Ahmed Tabrisi says:

“Anything about the alleged additions made to the Quran are wrong and void anyway, but about the reduction from the Quran, some people from the Hashwia sect have narrated that changes and lapses have occurred in the Holy Quran. But we the Shia have the belief against it, that is, we believe that no reduction has been made to the Holy Quran, ‘Ilm ul-Huda Syed Murtadha has said the same too, and this is a simple and clear statement, hopefully you people have come to know that the Shia belief is against any reduction or addition to the Holy Quran.”
1. Tafseer Majma’ ul-Bayan, page 5.
2. Tafseer-e-Safi, page 13.

The Belief of Allamah Sadruddin Shirazi (d. 1060 AH)
Shaykh Sadr-uddin Sheerazi who is usually called as “Mulla Sadra”. He wrote a commentary on Usul-ul-Kafi. We read about his belief about the supposed Tahreef in Quran:
** “Research proves that the present Quran has neither been changed, nor has it been distorted, and no error has entered into its ranks.”**
Tafseer of Ayat ul-Kursi, page 332.

Shiekh Muhammad bin al-Hasan bin al-Hurr al-'Aamili (d. 1104)


The author of Al-Wasa'il, Shiekh Muhammad bin al-Hasan bin al-Hurr al-'Aamili believed:
“One who ponders into the traditions and chapters of history then he will certainly know that Quran is present at the highest stage of being Tawatur and there were plenty of Sahaba who were Hafid and Qari of Quran…”
Al Fasul al Muhimmah fi Talif al Ummah, page 166

Beside these revered scholars of the Shia Madhab, following Ulema also maintained the belief in the authenticity and completeness of Holy Quran.

  1. A paragraph by Shaikh Hassan Yusuf (d. 726) also known as Allamah Hilli in his book “Nihayaht al Usool” tells that he was not the believer in Tahreef.
  2. Shaikh Zain-al-ddin alBayazi Amili (d. 877) while doing the commentary of the verse 15:9 states that it is about the protection of Quran from any kind of Tahreef. See “Mubahith fi Uloom e Quran” by Allamah Urduabadi.
  3. Shaikh Ali bin Abdul A`ali al Kurki al Amili (d. 940) known as “Muhhaqiq Thani” wrote a complete book about Quran being protected from Tahreef and Syed Muhsin Arji Baghdadi (d. 1228) in his book “Shrah Wafia fi Ilm al Usool” has cited it.
  4. Syed Ali bin Masoom alMadani Shirazi (d. 1118) in his book “Riad al Salikeen fi Shrah Sahifah Syed AlAbadeen” also states the same.
  5. Syed Muhammad Tabatabai (d. 1242) also held same views. See “Mafatih al Usool”.
  6. Syed Muhammad Shahshahani (d. 1289) while discussing the topic of Quran in his book “Urwatal Thiqa” clearly stated that there has been no Tahreef in Quran and he also attributed same view to the Jamhur Mujtahideen. See ‘Al Bayan fi Tafsir al Quran’, page 200.
  7. Syed Mahdi (d. 1300) the author of “Minhaj Sharyah fi Rad e Ala Ibn Tamiyah”.
  8. Syed Husain Kohkumri Najafi (d. 1299) clearly stated that there has been no Tahreef in Quran. See ‘Bashr alwsool Ila Ism`a Ilm al Usool’.
  9. Shaikh Musa Tabraizi (d. 1307) in his book “Shrah Rasail fi Ilm al Usool” also upholds same view.
  10. Shaikh Muhammad Hussain Shahrastanial Hairi (d. 1315) in his book “Risalat fi Hifz al Kitab al Ashraf An Shubhaat al Qol fi Tahreef” proves it from various arguments that there has been no Tahreef in Holy Quran. See ‘Al Marif al Jalilah’ Vol 1 Page 21.
  11. Shaikh Muhammad bin Hasan bin Abdullah al Najafi (d. 1323) in his book “Bashr alwasool Ila Israr Ilm al Usool” also maintained the same view about Quran.
  12. Shaikh Abdullah bin Shaikh Muhammad Hassan (d. 1351) while commenting on the view of Muhadith Nuri about Rabi` bin Kathim he also commented on his views of Tahreef. See Tanqeh al Maqal.
  13. Shaikh AbilHasan al Khanizi (d. 1343) the author of Datwat al Islamiyah.
  14. Shaikh Muhammad Nihawandi (d. 1371) the author of a Tafseer.
  15. Shaikh Aqa Buzurg Tehrani (d. 1389), book “Nafi al Tahreef an alQuran al Shareef”.

etc... etc...

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*The list of those Sahaba and Tabe’in who testified (in Sunni books) about mistakes in the Quran compiled by Uthman *
1. Ayesha
2. Hafsah
3. Umar
4. Ibn Umar
5. Uthman bin Affan
6. Aban bin Uthman
7. Ibn Abbas
8. Abu Musa al-Ash'ari
9. Ubai bin Ka`b
10. Abdullah Ibn Masud
11. Abu Muawyah
12. Urwah bin Zubair
13. Hasham bin Umro
14. Harun bin Musa
15. Zubair bin al Harees
16. Akramah
17. Abdullah
18. Yahyah bin Abu Bashir
19. Saeed bin Jubair
20. Ismail Makki
21. Qatadah
22. Hassan Basri
23. Ubaid bin Zuhaak
24. Mujahid

The list of those Sunni Scholars who have stated,recorded or have endorsed the traditions which shows distortion in Quran
1. Al Hafid Imam Jalaluddin Suyuti
2. Imam Bukhari
3. Imam Muslim
4. Abu Daud
5. Ibn Hazm
6. Imam Hakim
7. Imam Dhahabi
8. Imam Ahmed
9. Ibn Kathir
10. Ibn Hajar Asqalani
11. Imam Behaqi
12. Qurtubi
13. Abi Bakar Sajistani
14. Baghwi
15. Imam Fakhruddin Razi
16. Ibn Jarir Tabari
17. Imam Shokani
18. Badruddin A`ini
19. Allamah Anwar Shah Kashmiri
20. Allamah Abdul Wahab Sherani
21. Raghib Asfahani
22. Allamah Qazi Thanaullah Pani Patti
23. Imam Abu Hanifa
24. Imam Auzai
25. Imam Malik
26. Dr. Israr Ahmed

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(since you seem to be very fond of colours, hence let me paraphrase you)

so all of these are great scholars and pillars of sunnism..

1. now ...either these scholars...which are considered as the imams of Sunnism like Bukhari...Muslim...Ibn Tamiyah etc ...and others are true....so Quran is incomplete...lost...and .....intentionally deleted......

2. or accept that all these scholars and immas are wrong....so means ...what they have written thier books about...caliphate....blaspheme of prophet....exaggerated attributions to sahabas.....wrong concept of shaikeen superior to Ali....khilaafat is a haq of ignorant ones from Banu Umayah...and all such concepts......are totally wrong....because all these immams also mentioned these in thier books.......

so what they false about quran...they can also say that about Imams of Ahlulbayt [as]...etc......Imamate of Ahlulbayt [as]..and other wrong concept.......

if not....then accept that ....quran is incomplete ...lost...deleted.....as written by all these great scholars...as i gave about 26 books from immamamms and greatest scholars of sunism....

so the ruling is already quoted that who consider quran incomplete...changed...lost...deleted*...what great scholars...say about that.......*

so to all sunni brothers and sisters...plz....answer this post.....which option yoou would like to choose.......

plz...plz...no Munafiqat legacy that was inherited by Nawasib.

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there is no worth to discuss with you....liar ...you put false blames to sahabas and great scholars...koi khuda ka khof karo...baisharmo...haya karo....


Usman while in his own quran found mistake...


and umar after 4 or 5 years of death...came out of his roza in masjid-e- nabwi....took out his kaffan....broke the grave...and then told the people of madina about the mistakes in quran of usman. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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there is nothing to discuss with you...baby.....
have your Nestle Cerelac and Kidco Nipple lost .....

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Youare saying this since neither your nasibi mullhas/websites have ever reveal you the reallities nor you had bothered to look into the history without biasness.

Thanx for accepting the truth :slight_smile:

“When Uthman saw his [compiled] Quran he had said that he could see some mistakes in that and that the Arabs would make the corrections through their language”
Tafseer al-Kabeer, Volume 6 page 38

Imam Jalauddin Suyuti records:

“Akramah states that when Mushafs were written they were presented before Uthman and he found some words written wrong in it and then he said that they shouldn’t be changed as Arabs would themselves make the corrections. "
Tafseer Al Itqan (Urdu) Volume 1 page 492 (scan page available on request)

I am not lair since I am not the one who is the follower of a person who lied/fabricated a statement and attributed to Prophet [s] in order to prevent his daughter from getting her share of inheritence.

Thank you.

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If you want to solace yourself by imagining that I am a child, then no problem, be happy, lakin phir itna to tasleem karlo kay bachay nay tumahray daant khattay kardyyay :D

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hahahahaha...just see what you have said that ...usman missed more than 50 ayats...in his quran...and now you are giving the that some language and words mistakes.......LOL ......:D........again LOL..........

                                   As all tribes of arabs have different versoins like punjabi in multan area is saraiki...in lahore gujranwala is lahori...and jehlum area is potohari...and mianwali side is also different...similarly...the few wording of quraish tribe written in its own ways...so all other tribes..and people of other countries...through thier "language" as you quoted that....

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he could see some mistakes in that and that the Arabs would make the corrections through their language”

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Akramah states that when Mushafs were written they were presented before Uthman and he found some words written wrong in it and then he said that they shouldn’t be changed as Arabs would themselves make the corrections. "
Tafseer Al Itqan (Urdu) Volume 1 page 492
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and in the previous post ...you have written that

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According to research of Ibn Abbas [ra] fifty verses have been added to the Quran of Uthman

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i do not know whether to weep or laugh ... :D

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  1. Al-Kulayni narrates in al-Kafi: Abu ‘Abdillah (Imam Ja‘far as-Sadiq) says that Rasulullah sallallahu ‘alayhi wa-alihi wasallam said: “… And the ‘Ulama are the heirs of the Ambiya; and the Ambiya did not leave dinars and dirhams as inheritance; but they left knowledge. Therefore whosoever takes knowledge has taken a great portion.” (al-kafi, vol. 1 p. 42)

Regarding the authenticity of this ahaadeeth, ‘Allamah Muhammad Baqir Majlisi states in his commentary on al-, entitled Mir’at al-‘Uqul: [This] hadith has two chains of narration. The first is majhul [contains an unknown narrator], and the second is hasan or muwaththaq. [Together] they do not fall short of being Saheeh. (Mir’at al-‘Uqul, vol. 1 p. 11)

          .......Khoeimeini wicked and deceiving action of taking this hadees.........

The strange thing here is that the ahaadeeth is authentic enough for Khomeini to utilise it as evidence of the validity of his monumental political theory of Wilayat al-Faqih (the Rule of the Jurisprudent). He writes under the heading “Sahihat al-Qaddah” (the authentic narration of al-Qaddah): ‘Ali ibn Ibrahim narrates from his father, from Hammad ibn ‘Isa, on the authority of ‘Abdullah ibn Maymun] al-Qaddah that Abu ‘Abdillah [Imam Ja‘far as-Sadiq] ‘alayhis salam said: Rasulullah sallallahu ‘alayhi wa-alihi wasallam said: “Whoever walks a path seeking therein knowledge, Allah will lead him on a road to Jannah… And the ‘Ulama are the heirs of the Ambiya; and the Ambiya did not leave dinars and dirhams as inheritance; but they left knowledge. Therefore whosoever takes knowledge has taken a great portion.”

(al-Kafi, Kitab Fadl al-‘Ilm, Bab Sifat al-‘Ilm wa-Fadlihi, hadith no. 2)

LOL…Khoiemeini wicked took this hadees in his book as shaeeh …and you shias are shouting like mad about Fidak…LOL

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^^^^^^^^^

And wicked Khoiemeini writes in his book "Hakoomatai Islamia" that......
To this narration Khomeini appends the following remark: The narrators of this tradition are all reliable and trustworthy. The father of ‘Ali ibn Ibrahim [namely Ibrahim ibn Hashim] is not only reliable; he is one of the most reliable and trustworthy narrators.

(al-Hukumat al-Islamiyyah, p. 133, published by Markaz Baqiyyat Allah al-A‘zam, Beirut

"Fadak kai Thaikaidaro"....aab jao....chullu bhar pani mai doob maro .....

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im not sure if i agree becuz im a syed and zaidi and we're not very moderate, we do PREFER syed's but if a person is not syed, itz ok

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There are only 4 great scholars of shias of ancient times ...who do not beleive in alternation of quran ...rest all others believe that....and thes 4 are
1.Qummi
2.Syed Murtaza
3.Tusi
4.Abu Ali Tibrisi

Noori Tibrisi
Fasle Khitaab
Pg 24
Iran

and these 4 peple also did this because of Sooper Dooper formula of taqiyya....
this is because ......

 ponit no 1

ur all shia scholars agree that the ahadees about alternation of quran are "shaeeh" and "Mutwaatir"
fasle Khitaab
Noori tabrisi
Pg 30
Iran

There are more than 2000 shaeeh ahadees which talk about the alternation of quran and our scholars like Allama Majlasi...Mufed.Damaad...accepted them....
Syed Al_jazairi

The ahadees wich talk about the alternation of quran are so great in no. and shaeeh that if we negate them ...then ultimately we have to negate tht...ali not wali and imam
Fasle Khittab
Noori tabrisi

Point no 2

All shia doctrine based on the ahadees from 12 imams...and about 2000 ahadees shaeeh and mutawatir ahadees talk about alternation of quran...so if these 2000 are wrong...means whole shia doctrine is wrong...because thier 12 imams told wrong that quran is not incomplete while these 4 persons and all othere shias consider it complete.....

point no 3

None of these 4 persons...ever have a chance to sit with 12 imams...they were of latter period...while all great shia scholars...who accepted that quran is changed were in the period of 12 imams.....

point 4

All these books hich talk about the changing of quran are those on whose pillars...the whole shia docrtrine is standing...like

Tafsser Qummi
Al-Kafi

etc etc.....

so means that all these books are false when they say that quran is lost.....

point no 5

All 4 persons who accepted quran as complete also brought criticism on the completeness of quran...like see thier """""" Munafiqqat """"""""

1.Ibne Babua Qummi writes.....

On Qiyyamah ...quran will come to allah and will reqest that these people burt and shattered me.......
Al-Khisaal
Ibne babuai Qummi
pg 83
Iran
1302 hijri

Abu ali tibrisi..another accepter of complete quran writes....

In ayat of Sura Nisa....the part of Ayat "Famastamaataummaah beehee mihunna"....there was another part which was intentinally deleted as its talks about """"""" Muta """""""""""

Majmaul Biyaan
Tibrisi
Vol 3
Pg 32
Tehran
1374 Hijri

So its clear from above that in 4 centuries ...only 4 people were of the view that quran is complete...but say it openly...but by the use of the formula of "taqiyya".....they also beleived that quran is missed and lost...as i have given the examples above........

whats the importance of Taqiyya ...lets see what Ibne NBabauya Qummi writes......

""""" Taqiyya is farz...he who miss it..actually miss Namaz...all who will miss Taqiyya before Imam Mehdi will appear....then surely...he will become out of shia religion..he definitely negate..12 imams....allah...and his prophet(pbuh)....""""""

Ibne Babauya Qummi
Al-Ihtaqadaat
Babe Taqiyya
Iran
1274 hijri

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whats your definition of moderate ???????

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I was expecting similar kind of lame excuses from you side, :) but the bottom line is that your 3rd caliph called the Quran "incorrect" or called it a "Mistake" and that should be suffice for you (if you have some shame) to die in water.

And according to Sunnies, there were Seven Qirah (with seven recitations), but none of them declared the recitation/pronunciation of the others as incorrect , therefore Uthman’s mean declaration of the other recitation as **wrong **is not only the disrespect of Quran, but it is nothing less than Kufr.

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and in the previous post ...you have written that

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According to research of Ibn Abbas [ra] fifty verses have been added to the Quran of Uthman
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i do not know whether to weep or laugh ... :D

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Yes so? What are you trying to imply here? As I have been saying there are number of different statements by Sahaba and Tabayeen about changes/additions/deletions/mistakes in Quran in Sunni sources, I had presented the belief of Ibn Abbas according to Sunni sources, now I have presented the blasphemy of Usman, so what are you trying to achieve by recalling the previously quoted reference?

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moderate as in getting married to non shias and not going to our imam bargaaas and going to majlises and stuff...

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I dont know why you some time get so much excited on finding a Shia reference in a way that Hinda would get on finding a new male partner. There are three facts that cannot be called into doubt:

Ulema are not the actual son of Porphets
Prophets are not their actual fathers
Knowledge is not an actual possession that can be distributed.

In the same way that the Hadeeth refers to the Ulema as the figurative sons of Prophets and Prophets as their figurative fathers; knowledge is also a figurative possession. The entire Hadeeth is along the line of figurative terms, hence the term Waris can also be understood in a figurative manner - the Ulema attain some of the knowledge possessed by Prophets. The Waris Hadeeth cited by Abu Bakr in Sahih al Bukhari that preceded the claim of Sayyida Fatima (as), did not refer to the inheritance of knowledge but referred to the inheritance of possessions.

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.......Khoeimeini wicked and deceiving action of taking this hadees.........

The strange thing here is that the ahaadeeth is authentic enough for Khomeini to utilise it as evidence of the validity of his monumental political theory of Wilayat al-Faqih (the Rule of the Jurisprudent). He writes under the heading “Sahihat al-Qaddah” (the authentic narration of al-Qaddah): ‘Ali ibn Ibrahim narrates from his father, from Hammad ibn ‘Isa, on the authority of ‘Abdullah ibn Maymun] al-Qaddah that Abu ‘Abdillah [Imam Ja‘far as-Sadiq] ‘alayhis salam said: Rasulullah sallallahu ‘alayhi wa-alihi wasallam said: “Whoever walks a path seeking therein knowledge, Allah will lead him on a road to Jannah... And the ‘Ulama are the heirs of the Ambiya; and the Ambiya did not leave dinars and dirhams as inheritance; but they left knowledge. Therefore whosoever takes knowledge has taken a great portion.”

(al-Kafi, Kitab Fadl al-‘Ilm, Bab Sifat al-‘Ilm wa-Fadlihi, hadith no. 2)

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The very fact that Ulema have used this Hadeeth to support the concept of State rule and nothing else is proof that the Hadeeth of al Kafi is not addressing the children of the Prophet (s). The Ulema have correctly interpreted the Hadeeth to mean that the Property of Prophethood is only Knowledge (not Dinars and Dirhams) and it is this property that Prophets leave as inheritance for their Ummah (not Dinars and Dirhams). The heirs of this knowledge are Ulema (People with knowledge). The above narration is not talking about the inheritance of a material thing, i.e. a personal property or a land but it's talking about the knowledge of Prophets, which is inherited by the scholars of Islam.

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LOL....Khoiemeini wicked took this hadees in his book as shaeeh ....and you shias are shouting like mad about Fidak....LOL
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If the one who shouts for Fadak is 'mad' according to you then keep in mind that the first one who shouted for Fadak was Syeda Fatima Zahra [sa], the cheif of the woman in paradise, whose feet dust is much much pure than the face of your caliph who kept worshopping idols till the half of his age :D

Btw, Quran is suffice to prove that Prophets do leave inheritence, hence bringing in out of context traditions not gona absolve your khalifa.

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"Fadak kai Thaikaidaro"....aab jao....chullu bhar pani mai doob maro .....
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Daku e Fadak sharam say na mara to humain apna haq magnay main kaisi sharam.

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I had presented a big list of all those Shia scholars who beleived in the completeness of Quran, now If that was too hard to enter into your thick head , then forget it. The main point of concern is that the Sahaba and Tabayeen you worship had advanced their statements which shows doubts on the authenticity of present Quran, and those Sahaba and Tabayeen includes:
1. Ayesha 2. Hafsah 3. Umar 4. Ibn Umar 5. thman bin Affan 6. Aban bin Uthman 7. Ibn Abbas 8. Abu Musa al-Ash'ari 9. Ubai bin Ka`b 10. Abdullah Ibn Masud 11. Abu Muawyah 12. Urwah bin Zubair
13. Hasham bin Umro 14. Harun bin Musa 15. Zubair bin al Harees 16. Akramah 17. Abdullah 18. Yahyah bin Abu Bashir 9. Saeed bin Jubair 20. Ismail Makki 21. Qatadah 22. Hassan Basri 23. baid bin Zuhaak 24. Mujahid

So if any one having the Nasbi blood in his viens want to issue takfeer against Shia scholars, he shall not forget to include the above cited personalities in the list :)

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""""" When Syed Murtaza.....^^^^ talked about the completeness of quran...then he is wrong as the companions...who changed the will of prophet(pbuh)...snatched caliphate from ali...how its possible that they could not change the quran """"""

Tafseer Safi
Vol 1
Pg 14

""""""when Tusi ^^^^^writes that quran is complete quran must be in every age according to Allah..then he is also true as 11 imams held """Tue Quran"...and 12 imam is still holding it...so it is true that when he says that quran is complete as it will always remain with Imam Mehdi """"""""

Tafseer Safi
Vol 1
Pg 14

"""""" As the real quran is with Cave -Imam...so holding our fuqhas and Aaimmas are just same tha we are holding quran and is called "Siqle Ashgar """""

Tafseer Safi
Vol 1
Pg 14

"""" It is true that above 4 ^^^ people accepted quran as complete but they only did it so that people will not give Lanat on shia doctrine....as a matter of fact these 4 also beleived that qurabn is lost...and not one which jibraeel came up with.""""""""

Anwaar Naumania
Naimatulaalh jazairi
Iran

""""Quran actually has 17,000 ayats..so its not true when 4 persons ^^^^^^ says that quran is complete...as there are so many ahadees which cannot be neglected

Al-Safi Shara Al-Kafi
Kitab fazle Quran
Mulla Khalil qazweeni
Vol 5
Pg75
India

"""""In real quran therewas ahle-bait names...and names of munafiqeen sahabas..but all these things deleted from quran...and ali bin ibrahin qummi..who accepted quran true,...but in heart as same concepts.....

Al-Safi Shara Al-Kafi
Kitab fazle Quran
Mulla Khalil qazweeni
Vol 5
Pg75
India

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The Najis nasibi book which you are reading as usual have taken things out of context and just like his munafiq ancestry, the author has not told his adherents that the Shaykh Faiz Kashani, the author of Tafsir Safi actually advanced his notion for the perfectness of Holy Quran, Shaykh Faid Kashani goes on to argue that the Quran has been preserved and advance the argumentation of various scholars as well as providing the rational proofs for it. He says:
** “If the alteration in the Quran is accepted, then certain problems occur, and one of those is that if the Quran is considered altered, then nothing in the Quran remains reliable.”**
Tafseer-e-Safi, page 23.

He further says:
** “If the present Quran isn’t as much as it was when revealed, then nothing from the Quran remains Hujjah.”**
Tafseer-e-Safi, page 33.

He goes on to further elaborate:
** “If the Quran incomplete or has additions, then the order of obedience to Quran, and the will of remaining attached to it goes in vain.”**
Tafseer-e-Safi, page 33.

Then he put forward his belief about the completeness of Quran right from Quran:
In additional Allah said: Most surely it is a Mighty Book Falsehood shall not come to it from before it nor from behind it and said Surely We have revealed the Reminder and We will most surely be its guardian. So how it could be corrupted and changed?
Tafseer-e-Safi, page 33.

He further says:
** “When numerous Ahadith have been narrated from Prophet [s] that the reliability of the narrations may be checked from their conformance with the Quran, and their undependability may be checked from their opposition to the Quran. If the Quran is considered altered, then what is the use of forwarding such narrations?”**
Tafseer-e-Safi, page 33.

He adds by saying:

** “The narrations about Tehrif are against the Book of Allah, and they degrade the Holy Quran, therefore it is obligatory to reject such narrations.”**
Tafseer-e-Safi, page 33.

He further says:

** “What Hadhrat Ali [as] said to Talha also verifies our belief, that O Talha! You will be safe from the blazes of hell and enter the paradise if you follow everything that is written in the Quran.”**
Tafseer-e-Safi, page 34.

You and your Nasibi firends shall not have problem with that since your beloved sahabi and the lover of Yazeed [la] namely Ibn Umar believed that most of the Quran was lost, Ayesha believed that Surah Taubah was actually equal or greater to Surah Baqra, and your Imam Ibn Hajar Asqlani beleived that there are 40 sipara of Quran etc etc :smiley:

And same things has been advanced by famed Sunni tafseer, if Shia scholars are kafir then Sunni schoalrs should be worst Kaafir (kaalay kaafir) :stuck_out_tongue: .

**“ Hafiz Ahmed bin Musa bin Mardawayh has narrated with his isnad from Abdullah Ibn Masud that: "During the lifetime of the Holy Prophet (s) we used to recite this verse as:

  • “O Apostle! Deliver what has been sent down to you from your Lord; 'that ‘Ali is the Maula of the Momineen’, if you don’t….”
    ***1. Tafseer Dur al Manthur, Volume 2 page 297, Surah Maidah verse 67 (Online)
  1. Tafseer Ruh Al Ma’ani, Volume 9 page 193
  2. Tafseer Fatah al Qadeer, Volume 2 page 57, Surah Maidah verse 67
  3. Tafseer Mazhari Volume 3 page 353 published by Daar ul Isha`t Karachi

Re: Shia And Sunni Muslims

""""" Usman(ra) killed Abdullah ibne masood (ra) as abdullah (ra) refused to recite the changed version of quran written by usman """""""

Hadeeqatul Shia
Muqaddas Ardbaili
pg 118
Persian
Iran

"""Usman tortured Abdullah ibne Masood because he wanted to change the quran but ibne masood refused it. """""""

Bahrul Moosvi
allama Baqir Moosvi
pg 347
Iran

"""""When Imam mahdi will come ..he will recite the real quran and tell people that ..O people ..this is real quran """"""

Irshadul Uloom
Karim Khan Karmani (also known by shias as """""Msurrhadul Anaam"""""" )
Vol 3
Pg 121
Iran

"""there is no doubt about that present quran is subjected to changes and deletions and additions...

Istahqal afhaam
Syed Didar Ali Shah(indian shas gave him title """ Ayaytullah Fil aleemeen """"
Vol 1
pg 13
Iran

"""The present quran is of caliph no . 3...so we shias cannot take it as "authority"" .....""""""""""

Zarbate Haidria
Vol 2
pg 75

""" There are many suras like""""sura wilaya....sura al-haqqahooo...sura al-khula...which were completely deleted from quran """""""

Fasle Khitaab
pg 33